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Old 06-11-2018, 08:59 AM
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Why is Gov Hogan so popular?

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A new Baltimore Sun poll in Maryland finds that 60% of Democrats who say they’re likely to vote in their party‘s primary this month approve of the job Gov. Larry Hogan (R) is doing.

Worse for Democrats, nearly a fourth of likely voters in the Democratic primary plan to vote for Hogan in the November general election.

“In a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans 2 to 1 in voter registration — and where Republican President Trump is deeply unpopular — Hogan has managed to persuade many in the state’s majority to consider crossing party lines for him.”
I've read this time and again as the election cycle gears up, that Hogan has 60-70% support in the state, had wide crossover appeal, etc. In an era where politics seem to begin and end with "He's not a [Dem/Rep]? Fuck that guy", that's a pretty impressive niche.

I know Maryland is a solid blue state in presidential cycles (+25 Clinton) but that doesn't always translate to state level elections. Still, not knowing what the situation is in Maryland, what's the secret to this guy's success?
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He's a Republican but he's not really all that conservative, not by today's standards, at least. He's very moderate and pragmatic. He's smart enough to know that the very conservative Eastern Shore is who elected him, but he also knows the rich and powerful central Maryland counties could probably easily oust him if he crosses them. He actually understands that government and governing require compromise, and ideological gridlock helps exactly no one. He seems to legitimately care what happens to everyone in Maryland, and not just the people on "his side." Shocking, isn't it?


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Old 06-11-2018, 09:18 AM
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From DcnDC's description, he sounds a lot like Nevada's Gov. Sandoval in politics and attitude. I've lived here for more than 20 years and Brian Sandoval is the best, least contentious governor the state has had since Bob Miller's term expired in 1999. I voted for him both times and if if we didn't have term limits I have no doubt he'd win a 3rd.

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Old 06-11-2018, 09:24 AM
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Shocking, isn't it?
Indeed!

I didn't know if he did some amazing state turn-around or other heroic deed to make everyone love him (well, ~65% of everyone). It's sort of funny because I read things like "Bad news for Democrats because Hogan is popular" and can't help but think "Well, if he's popular among Democrats in a state with a strong blue tilt, it can't be that bad of news..."
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:37 AM
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It's sort of funny because I read things like "Bad news for Democrats because Hogan is popular" and can't help but think "Well, if he's popular among Democrats in a state with a strong blue tilt, it can't be that bad of news..."
Some people just have a reflexive kneejerk reaction to the (R) next to his name, but if you look at what he's actually done, he's been very open to bipartisanship.

Granted, he's literally surrounded by Democrats everywhere in the Maryland legislature, and the only way to get anything done is to work together.

It may also be that deep-blue Democrats fear Hogan's popularity will be a foothold for other Republicans to take over Democratic seats in the General Assembly, but while a seat or two may flip here and there, Maryland is in no danger of going purple anytime soon.
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I don't think we were a state in dire need of a turnaround prior to Larry Hogan becoming governor.

I'll echo what others have said, I'm not crazy about having a Republican governor here but he's pragmatic and interested in using state government as a tool for progress, not as a laboratory for some backward ideology. There's not much difference between him and a moderate Democrat.

Maryland -- we may be mostly blue but we're not completely crazy.
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Granted, he's literally surrounded by Democrats everywhere in the Maryland legislature, and the only way to get anything done is to work together.
That's done a charm here in Illinois
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He seems to legitimately care what happens to everyone in Maryland, and not just the people on "his side." Shocking, isn't it?
Yeah, like that school year thing. The only county in Maryland whose school year started after Labor Day was - surprise! - the county that Ocean City is in.

Hogan made ALL counties start after Labor Day. AND our school years had to end by June 15, too.

He said he was doing that for the families, so we could have more time to play with our kids at the beach, or something. Like a nine or ten week summer vacation didn't leave enough time for that already? Guess the schools needed to be off for 12 weeks during the summer.

He was putting the interests of the Ocean City tourist businesses above everyone else's interests. Fuck him.
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Yeah, like that school year thing. The only county in Maryland whose school year started after Labor Day was - surprise! - the county that Ocean City is in.

Hogan made ALL counties start after Labor Day. AND our school years had to end by June 15, too.

He said he was doing that for the families, so we could have more time to play with our kids at the beach, or something. Like a nine or ten week summer vacation didn't leave enough time for that already? Guess the schools needed to be off for 12 weeks during the summer.

He was putting the interests of the Ocean City tourist businesses above everyone else's interests. Fuck him.
Funny, my kids don't get out of school until the 19th of June. And I like the fact that my kids don't start until after Labor Day. More time for vacations.

I think he's been an alright governor. I'm going to vote for him and I'm a registered Democrat.
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He led the state during a great recovery after a bruising recession, so he reaps the kudos for that recovery.
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Also he is not an outspoken Trumpist.
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Funny, my kids don't get out of school until the 19th of June. And I like the fact that my kids don't start until after Labor Day. More time for vacations.

I think he's been an alright governor. I'm going to vote for him and I'm a registered Democrat.
Agreed. When we moved to Maryland the biggest gripe we had was the ridiculous school calendar. I think all schools nationwide have to have 180 classroom days, so it's a matter of how you organize them. My son, who spent most of his school years in New York (where schools always began in Sep and ended in mid/late June) , was overjoyed to have a schedule like what he and we were accustomed to. Why colleges go Aug-May I'll never understand.
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He's a Republican but he's not really all that conservative, not by today's standards, at least. He's very moderate and pragmatic. He's smart enough to know that the very conservative Eastern Shore is who elected him, but he also knows the rich and powerful central Maryland counties could probably easily oust him if he crosses them. He actually understands that government and governing require compromise, and ideological gridlock helps exactly no one. He seems to legitimately care what happens to everyone in Maryland, and not just the people on "his side." Shocking, isn't it?


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No, it wasn’t just the sparsely populated Eastern Shore, Hogan punished Brown in heavily Democratic Balto county as well as his own Anne Arundel county. Those are central Maryland for those following.

He enjoys an 86% approval rating in Baltimore County. A county key to a Democratic victory.

The Democrats ran a wet fish last time and it is a very weak field for them this year.

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Because they want to put the break between semesters over Christmas time. In el-high schools on a later schedule, those few weeks in January between the end of Christmas break and the change of semesters are pretty much lost time, when the students have forgotten what they were doing before. You might as well wrap that up and start something new.
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Why colleges go Aug-May I'll never understand.
There are two different college schedules. Some start in late august or very early September and end in May. Others start in late September and end in June. The former are on a semester system; the latter on a quarter system. The common denominator is that fall term ends before Christmas for both.
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Ah, school years/university years. You should hear the arguments in the UK, which have been going on for decades. There's probably no resolution to them. Throw in the research that says teenagers do better if the school day starts later, and there's enough to keep a debate going for ever.
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Oh my goodness, I see there's an opposition candidate called.... Jealous. Nominative determinism, anyone?
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I'm from Ocean City, but left there long ago. I was a libertarian early on but mostly knew Dems. Never got the sense that the Eastern Shore was more conservative (very very very racist, but I didn't think that was supposed to be a conservative value) until later. Based on what I've read and heard about Hogan, I'm not surprised he's somewhat popular. I was much more surprised/impressed when Ehrlich won (my 1st/last election in MD), but I did meet KKT so I can say his competition was weak. I'm getting a kick out of seeing the former Lt. Gov/RNC head as the anti-Trump cable tv guy.
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I understand that there's some sort of Association of Republican Governors. Anybody know how he comports himself at their gatherings? Gung-ho for Republican gubernatorial policies, or keeping his head down?
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Hogan steamrolling Jealous. Showing surprisingly strong in B-More and PG county. Jealous strong among ideological “white liberals”. “White liberal” now means Bernie-Bro apparently. Hogan dominance in Baltimore county could shift local elections to Republicans.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.balti...story,amp.html

Is it this easy for Republicans? Could they mimick Hogan’s success in other parts of the country where Democratic machine politics prevails?
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Is it this easy for Republicans? Could they mimick Hogan’s success in other parts of the country where Democratic machine politics prevails?
Become vocal critics of Trumpism? No, I don't think that will be easy for most Republicans to do.
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Become vocal critics of Trumpism? No, I don't think that will be easy for most Republicans to do.
Eh. Hogan was popular before Trump was on the radar. Not a factor.
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Where's he stand on guns, abortion and immigration?
IIRC he's signed or indicated he'll sign some gun control laws. He's personally opposed to abortion but considers it a settled matter and won't support laws to restrict it. I don't recall anything about immigration. But I'm sure punching
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He's personally opposed to abortion but considers it a settled matter and won't support laws to restrict it.
As much as he probably resists the label, this is also known as being "pro-choice".
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It is a partisan political tactic to lump abortion positions into binary pro-choice and pro-life. There are many opinions on abortion if you ask people. It’s a textbook wedge issue for political party fundraising.
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As a Maryland resident, I have no real sense for why Hogan is popular. Personally, the school year thing has pissed me off so much that I would vote for anyone else.
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As a Maryland resident, I have no real sense for why Hogan is popular. Personally, the school year thing has pissed me off so much that I would vote for anyone else.
Could you explain why the school year thing pissed you off so much?
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Could you explain why the school year thing pissed you off so much?
Sure. Summers are enormously expensive and logistically challenging. I'd strongly prefer a shorter summer, not a longer summer. Also, for a variety of reasons, it's much easier for our family to take a vacation over spring break than during the summer, but now we don't have a spring break.
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My kids go to Howard County Public Schools. They have a Spring Break this year.
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My kids go to Howard County Public Schools. They have a Spring Break this year.
In MoCo, we get the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Monday around Easter off. (Having both the Friday before and the Monday after Easter as state-mandated holidays is also BS, but that isn't Hogan's doing.)
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Well, I'm not sure why that is not a "Spring Break"

And besides, since it looks like each county is different WRT Spring Break, it doesn't seem to be Hogan's fault.
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Well, I'm not sure why that is not a "Spring Break"
I think Spring Break is traditionally a week long M-F period bookended by the weekends. Starting it three days into the week and carrying it a day into the following week really isn't the same thing, especially if planning a trip during that period.
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Well, I'm not sure why that is not a "Spring Break"

And besides, since it looks like each county is different WRT Spring Break, it doesn't seem to be Hogan's fault.
Spring break is an outcome of hard choices MoCo had to make about implementing this executive order. (The options, as I understand them, were to give up teacher workdays, Jewish/Muslim holidays, or a couple of days of spring break.) But we still have an absurd 11 weeks of summer where the kids are busy forgetting a good chunk of they learned over the past school year, and an increased burden on parents who have find and pay for camps or child care or other ways for the kids to spend their time.
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I think Spring Break is traditionally a week long M-F period bookended by the weekends. Starting it three days into the week and carrying it a day into the following week really isn't the same thing, especially if planning a trip during that period.
Well luckily, you have a couple of extra weeks of summer break to plan a vacation

I see what you are saying. I for one, would love school to be all year round, but that will never happen. Having a longer summer works out for me though.

Thanks for your thoughts on it.
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