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Old 04-01-2019, 11:32 AM
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Tell us about your computer(s)


Whaddya got? What are you currently using?

I'm currently rocking a refurbished 2017 13.3" Macbook Air with 8GB of RAM and a 128GB PCIe SSD running OS X Mojave, bought just a few months ago. I specifically wanted a 2017 Macbook Air because it's the last one with actual USB ports. It's replacing a 2012 Macbook Pro that I accidentally upgraded to Mojave which bricked it, so I bought the cheapest laptop Apple had to offer. I pulled the SSDs out of my busted MBP, put them into enclosures and use them as external USB drives. This is primarily my "walking around/travel" computer.

My main machine at home is a Sager NP8374 gaming laptop: 6 core i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20 GHz, GTX 1070 GPU (8GB), 16GB RAM, 17.3" matte display, 1TB SSD, running Windows 10 Pro. I have another 8GB of RAM I could put in it, but I've not yet run into the need so I haven't; I prefer not to open up a laptop if I don't have to. This thing is a beast, and while I have plenty of recent computer-taxing games that this thing will easily run, I mostly just play Cities: Skylines on it.
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:28 PM
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A first generation Mac Mini and an old 520c that I still like for word processing/writing. Although I am seriously thinking of upgrading to a 2014 Powerbook or something newer since the only browsers I can run are basically collectibles.

I am this (.) close to being Amish.

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Old 04-01-2019, 12:43 PM
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My primary box is the penultimate 17" MacBook Pro model, the last that could natively boot MacOS 10.6.8; I've got the RAM maxed out at 16 GB and somewhere along the line I upgraded the internal HD to a 2 TB SSD. Now running 10.11 and holding (got no reason to put something newer in there).

I have an identical spare, so if the motherboard fries or the screen goes wonky or something, I just do a hard drive transplant and keep going.

All my older computers sit off to the side, on the network so that I can Timbuktu in and remotely control them at will. I can go all the way back to System 6.0.8 (well technically I can boot System 0.9 off a floppy on that box, but I can't put that on the network).
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:57 PM
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My desktop machine is a Core i7 2600K (Sandybridge) Hackintosh that I built in 2011. It’s still more than fast enough for my needs. I’m tempted to upgrade it, just to have Thunderbolt and USB-C, but I don’t feel like spending the money right now. I also have a Touch Bar MacBook Pro. It’s a really nice machine, and actually faster than my Hack, but I wish the battery life was longer (I can get around 8 hours if I’m careful). My wife has a MacBook Air, and we have an old MacBook Pro 13” as the “Kitchen” computer.

I have a Raspberry Pi that I use as a dedicated Digital Photo Display, driving a 50” 4K monitor, running a Python script I wrote. It also runs Z-way software, and HomeBridge, so I can use Siri to turn my lights on and off.
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Old 04-01-2019, 01:50 PM
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It's black. It has an "Intel Inside" sticker on it. That's about all I know about it.
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:30 PM
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I am a gamer but I'm not hung up on getting a solid 60FPS at all times. Every few years if a game starts making my system chug too much I'll upgrade the processor for whatever is around $100 and buy a motherboard and RAM to go with it, or upgrade the video card.

Current system:
ASUS M5A99FX PRO motherboard
AMD FX-8350 8-core processor
8GB RAM
Probably 6TB of storage spread over 4 drives
Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti Windforce OC 4GB
LG 25UM58-P 25-Inch 21:9 UltraWide IPS Monitor
Win7 64-bit
1980's vintage IBM Model M keyboard
Mionix Naos 7000 mouse
5.1 headset
5.1 Creative Labs speakers

The GTX 1050Ti is the newest thing in my system, bought it last October. Motherboard, CPU, and RAM are from 2015.

I play Arma 3, Ghost Recon Wildlands, GTA V, Battlefield 1, Elite Dangerous, Civilization 5 and 6, Divinity Original Sin, Skyrim, and many other games with good performance. I really like the 21:9 monitor even though there are a couple games that give me problems on it. Like Fallout 4 took some fidgeting, but some games that are 10 years old work fine.

Only thing I really want right now is more RAM, 16GB would be nice.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:05 PM
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Hah!

I have the Computer of Theseus.

I count its beginning to a bare bones system I bought in 1999 that was essentially an AMD K6-III 400, a motherboard, some memory, a new hard drive, and a mid-tower case. I kept my old monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer, and one of my hard drives. Since then, I've upgraded parts, but no more than the motherboard, memory and processor at any one time. I think I've gone through six processors and five motherboards, and lost count of the hard drives and other peripherals.

Right now, I'm on the original mid-tower case still, the fourth power supply (an EVGA 650 watt modular one), a Gigabyte GA-990FXA UD3 motherboard, an AMD FX-9950 processor (upgraded from an FX-6300 about a year ago), 16 GB of DDR3 1333 RAM,
a Radeon R9 380X graphics card/accelerator, and about 5 TB of assorted hard drives, 1 TB of which is actually a RAID 1 (mirroring) array. I also have a 22" Viewsonic monitor, some kind of Dell laser printer, an Anker gaming mouse, and a brand new Logitech K840 mechanical keyboard.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:12 PM
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I have some model of Dell laptop that has a 17" screen and an HDMI port to hook up a second monitor. Oh, and a couple of USB ports.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:48 PM
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Hah!

I have the Computer of Theseus.

I count its beginning to a bare bones system I bought in 1999 that was essentially an AMD K6-III 400, a motherboard, some memory, a new hard drive, and a mid-tower case. I kept my old monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer, and one of my hard drives. Since then, I've upgraded parts, but no more than the motherboard, memory and processor at any one time. I think I've gone through six processors and five motherboards, and lost count of the hard drives and other peripherals.
This sounded familiar, so a quick check: tada!

And I've got you beat by a mile. From a 10MHtz XT clone to currently an AMD Ryzen 5 1400 four-core, 8 threaded beast with a 500GB M.2 drive and a new PS. All by upgrading here and there. (The case itself is the oldest part. Maybe 15 years since I got it but I bought it used.)

The newest component is a 6TB HD I got by buying an external drive on sale and shucking it. I'm never going to have delete anything ever again!

What? Why is everybody laughing?
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:51 PM
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I have several.

My main PC is a gaming PC with three monitors (4K, 100 Hz 3440x1440, and 120 Hz 4k), an i7-8700, a RTX 2080 ti, and assorted high-end peripherals.
I have two HP Microservers - one is a spare.
I have two backup PCs, each with a Pentium D and a decent GPU.
I have an old Shuttle SB51G transportable.
I think I have two others packed away.
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:46 AM
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HP Hunk of Junk with minimal specs that I bought for $200 at Walmart because I needed a computer NOW. When I get some money I'm getting it seriously upgraded, because damn.
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:03 AM
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It's black. It has an "Intel Inside" sticker on it. That's about all I know about it.
You always were my favorite, Scarecrow.
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:30 AM
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Intel Core i3-6100 3M (3.7 GHz), 8 GB RAM, 1 TB boot HD, 2 x 2 TB data HDs in RAID 1 array, 2 x 6 TB removable data HDs
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:39 AM
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Mine: i5-8600K @ 4.8GHz, 16GB RAM, GTX 1080 GPU and an assortment of solid state and HDD drives inside. 27" 1440p Gsync monitor. Gaming and internet use 99% of the time.

Family: i7-860 @ 3.8GHz, 12GB RAM, R9 290X GPU. 27" 1080 monitor. This was my old computer until early 2018 when I built the above one. Still works fine and although I wouldn't expect it to perform great on the very latest titles, it can still play 99% of my Steam library without a hitch. It's retired to family duty and my kid mooching off Steam family sharing.

In the corner: i3-580 @ 2.8GHz, 8GB RAM, GTX 550Ti GPU. Some tiny trash monitor. I rebuilt this one out of spare parts mainly for the heck of it. Runs Win7 off a cheap store brand SSD. I once threw it on Craigslist for $80 with monitor which was maybe $40 more than the new SSD I had put into it but no takers. So it sits in a corner of the family room unused. It'd actually be a fine internet/homework style computer but I don't have much use for it to bother putting it anywhere.
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:47 AM
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I don't have a smartphone. I have a mini-tower and a laptop. Both of which allow me to play my 30-odd year old N.F.L. simulation, which, aside from sending and receiving e-mails is just about all I care about when it comes to computers.
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Old 04-02-2019, 02:20 PM
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I have a three-year-old Cyberpower PC (3.5GHz or so, with three hard drives - a 1 TB SSD (just installed), a 250 GB SSD (which was the boot drive), and a 2 TB mechanical), and a ten-year-old iMac that appears to be pretty much at the end of its upgradeable lifecycle.

99% of my work is done on the PC; the only real reason for the Mac is to develop iPhone/iPad apps.
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Old 04-02-2019, 02:37 PM
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Windows 10

Runs most new games at 1080p at (capped) 60 FPS at max settings smoothly

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Old 04-03-2019, 02:44 PM
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Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor (8x 3.60GHz/16MB L3 Cache)
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 8GB (GDDR6)
Motherboard ASROCK Z390 PHANTOM GAMING 6 -- RGB, Gb LAN, USB 3.1 (1 Type-C, 5 Rear, 4 Front)
Power Supply 1050 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Gold
M.2/PCI-E SSD Card 512 GB Intel 660P Series M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
Intel Optane Memory Accelerator 32GB Intel Optane Memory
Primary Hard Drive 1 TB WD Blue SSD -- Read: 545MB/s, Write: 525MB/s - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive 8TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Optical Drive ASUS 16X Blu-ray Rewriter, DVD Rewriter Combo Drive - Black

Monitors: 2 40" 4K Samsung
Speakers: Logitech Z906 5.1 THX
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Old 04-03-2019, 02:49 PM
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Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor (8x 3.60GHz/16MB L3 Cache)
Memory 32 GB [8 GB X4] DDR4-3200 Memory Module
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 8GB (GDDR6)
Motherboard ASROCK Z390 PHANTOM GAMING 6 -- RGB, Gb LAN, USB 3.1 (1 Type-C, 5 Rear, 4 Front)
Power Supply 1050 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Gold
M.2/PCI-E SSD Card 512 GB Intel 660P Series M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
Intel Optane Memory Accelerator 32GB Intel Optane Memory
Primary Hard Drive 1 TB WD Blue SSD -- Read: 545MB/s, Write: 525MB/s - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive 8TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Optical Drive ASUS 16X Blu-ray Rewriter, DVD Rewriter Combo Drive - Black

Monitors: 2 40" 4K Samsung
Speakers: Logitech Z906 5.1 THX
Very nice! That's all very new gear, you've been upgrading recently?

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Old 04-03-2019, 03:45 PM
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TV/Torrent/Media server home-built box: 2009 build, Intel i7, tons and tons of storage, OK video, pretty good sound, really nice power supply and motherboard. I forget the specs. It's "Old" and still works a treat!
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Old 04-03-2019, 04:25 PM
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My newest computer is a clone of the Altair 8800 - it's based on an Arduino, but functions as a faithful replica of the original.

It was supplied as a bare board and front panel only, so I built my own case for it that isn't at all faithful to the original, but does evoke a little nostalgia.

I've had a lot of fun with this incredibly basic computer. Here's a video I made about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko6W_zuHgfE
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:24 PM
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I quit gaming a few years ago. Our desktop is a Mac 27", which I rarely use. My laptop is a 17" HP Envy which does everything I need it to. I also have an iPad for travel.
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Old 04-03-2019, 08:21 PM
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I sold my 1976 IMSAI 8080 with 64K RAM (the max) 20 years ago, and boy, do I miss it.

Now I'm stuck with a Win98 box with 2GB of hard drive storage. Yes, I use it daily.

But enough nostalgia. I can't give you the brands for most of my computers, since I build them myself. But since I do video editing and am moving into Hi-Res, copious storage is most important. I have about 60TB online over an Ethernet network, 10TB in cloud storage, 1TB in SSD, and close to 100TB off-line, that is, disconnected SATA hard drives in boxes. The online storage is mostly in 4 Drobos (2 8-units, 2 5-units), NAS devices with data protection and redundancy built-in.

This doesn't include my library of tapes (8mm, Hi8, VHS, DV) and disks (CD, DVD and Blu-Ray). I estimate about 1000 copies of commercial movies plus another 2000 original productions, which serve as desperation backups to the hard drive data.
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:41 AM
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Very nice! That's all very new gear, you've been upgrading recently?
Yea. It's all completely new. In November, after years of upgrading, I decided to just replace my computer entirely. I love it!
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:56 AM
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:30 AM
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:59 AM
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With all the rest of the goodies top end components you have, I'm surprised you wimped out here.

BTW Anyone looking at a major monitor upgrade should take a long look at the Acer Nitro 4k monitors. I have the Freesync one and it really is awesome.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:56 AM
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With all the rest of the goodies top end components you have, I'm surprised you wimped out here.
I don't know what Bear's reasons are, but at the very high end of GPUs, you're looking at another $400-500 more (over a unit that's already $760) to step up to the next better model for about a 10% performance increase. Nobody is ever going to notice that.

He did just fine.
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Old 04-12-2019, 12:10 PM
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I don't have a computer, just a smartphone, but it's very capable. It has a 1.4 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 430 octa-core processor with 32 Gb of storage and 3 Gb of RAM. I also have a 32 Gb SD card for extra storage.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:26 PM
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I don't know what Bear's reasons are, but at the very high end of GPUs, you're looking at another $400-500 more (over a unit that's already $760) to step up to the next better model for about a 10% performance increase. Nobody is ever going to notice that.
It's much more than 10% and if you're playing at 4K or a high refresh rate - or both - you appreciate it. Now the Titan over the Ti, that's only 10% or less better and you'd be right there.
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:03 PM
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Living room computer: Used Dell mini-desktop that we got from my wife's employer when they were upgrading, for I think $150. Has run the TV, DVDs, and viewing related internet perfectly for 3 years now. Can't complain. Can't do much on it gaming-wise, but that's not what it's for. Got an ethernet dongle and wireless keyboard/touchpad combo.

Gaming computer: Originally built in 2010 for about $500, I spent another $300 (?) a couple years ago before Fallout 4 came out and put in all the processor the mobo could handle, new GPU, and more RAM. Now it has an AMD Phenom 4x3 GHz, Radeon R9 (2GB), SSD, 8GB RAM. Actually does a pretty damn good job, considering. I've definitely gotten my $100/year average out of it. I can usually bump video settings on more recent games up from what the game recommends as default. I'm sure I'm nowhere near running the newer games at max in 1080, but I can usually find a good happy medium of looking nice and performing nice.

Except Subnautica. Subnautica kicked its ass Playable, but not quite pretty.

If anyone wants to recommend a benchmark to use, I'm curious and would happily post the resuts to poke fun at! I ran the Heaven benchmark when I first got it up and running but don't remember much about the result.

Nooow thinking harder, I'm pretty sure I overclocked the CPU and/or GPU. I don't know. I tend to hyperfocus on my computer in the research leading up to building it and the honeymoon phase after, and then it's just a tool and I don't think about the specs until the next cycle.

And the next cycle is fast approaching....duh Duh DUHHHHHH!

Oh...I forgot...this POS I'm posting from. It's a laptop I got last fall for carrying around and internetting/solitairing when I want to be in the living room. Runs like dogass. I even did a fresh Windows install and told Dell to fuckoff with their bloatware in the process. While that helped, this still runs more poorly than either of my other two.

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Old 04-12-2019, 04:33 PM
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Except Subnautica. Subnautica kicked its ass Playable, but not quite pretty.

If anyone wants to recommend a benchmark to use, I'm curious and would happily post the resuts to poke fun at! I ran the Heaven benchmark when I first got it up and running but don't remember much about the result.
Benchmarks smenchmarks. What works for you should be your criterion. The best of the budget video cards - bang per buck - are the GTX 1660 and 1660 Ti. These are mostly the equivalent of a $1000 4-year old Titan X halo card. Worse performers but perfectly fine cards are the RX 570 and 580 and worth considering if you get a good deal.
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Benchmarks smenchmarks. What works for you should be your criterion. The best of the budget video cards - bang per buck - are the GTX 1660 and 1660 Ti. These are mostly the equivalent of a $1000 4-year old Titan X halo card. Worse performers but perfectly fine cards are the RX 570 and 580 and worth considering if you get a good deal.
This fall/winter I'm building his/hers gaming computers. I started poking around and decided that trying to run @4k is not something I'm willing to spend money on, especially not if I'll just hit the lower end.

So I THINK my target is just to max out anything at 1080, so I'll definitely be looking at cards. Plus even if I want to bump up to 1440, I'll need a monitor (mo' money) and the TV I use is huge and hasn't given me a problem yet.

Hell, wifey doesn't even really care that much how stuff looks, because my computer kills the X-Box 360 she's used to. We might just move that one over to her and build mine. All depends on what Borderlands is going to need!
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:19 PM
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All depends on what Borderlands is going to need!
Good man!
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So I THINK my target is just to max out anything at 1080, so I'll definitely be looking at cards. Plus even if I want to bump up to 1440, I'll need a monitor (mo' money) and the TV I use is huge and hasn't given me a problem yet.
Sounds reasonable. Even at this stage, only about 7% of gamers go higher than 1080 on their primary display according to the Steam hardware survey. 1080 is still the standard with 61% and everyone else is going lower (next largest group is 13% running 1366x768)
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:03 PM
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Kudos on using “penultimate” correctly.
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:50 PM
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Um, it's Hewlett-Packard laptop running Windows 10, and it's red. I don't really care aboiut more than that, to be honest.

Mind you, somewhere in the house is a beige-box Mac. The power supply is dead, but the rest of it was working fine last time anybody used it.
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:59 PM
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Um, it's Hewlett-Packard laptop running Windows 10, and it's red. I don't really care aboiut more than that, to be honest..
Nothin' wrong with that.

My wife doesn't even know what brand her iPad is. Seriously.
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I don't know what Bear's reasons are, but at the very high end of GPUs, you're looking at another $400-500 more (over a unit that's already $760) to step up to the next better model for about a 10% performance increase. Nobody is ever going to notice that.

He did just fine.
I'm not even a gamer. I just don't like my programs to take forever when they start up (like Photoshop), and I want seamless, smooth dual 4K display. The only games I play are KSP and ONI, nothing that requires the latest GPU. Originally, I was going to buy a GTX 1060 for this computer, and then use an SLI bridge to link it to my other 1060, and just run dual GPUs. But the salesman explained that SLI doesn't work with the 1060. They were also running a deal: Pay for a GTX1080 and get an RTX2080. So I jumped on that offer and just sold my old GTX1060. No regrets.
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It's ancient as hell at this point.

I own a few MBPs and other Windows laptops I can't recall off the top of my head.

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I have the Computer of Theseus.
I also have one of these. It gets upgraded whenever something on it breaks, or when my employer discards components that are better than what I have.

It's mostly a media server, although it's also around to play games that require Windows.

Current mobo and cpu are salvaged from a Dell Optiplex 9010 (Core-i7 I think). Memory salvaged from something else. It's extra ghetto since Dell has lots of custom crap that doesn't fit a normal pinout, and if it's not present, it gets snippy at boot, so I had to rip apart the Dell power button and splice in some wires to hook it up to the case's button (I needed a bigger case to house all the hard drives), and if you open it up you'll find a fan that doesn't do anything useful and a jagged-plastic-edged portion of the dell case front that was removed by brute force ziptied up and out of the way. Again, it won't boot without that crap plugged in.

But: free! (except for storage. My company physically destroys HDDs when computers are decommissioned).

I also have one of the new Macbook Pros, the one without the touchbar.
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Is it just me or is it weird that SSDs come in odd sizes like this?
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Is it just me or is it weird that SSDs come in odd sizes like this?
I bet that the underlying storage is really a power of 2, but some is reserved for manufacturing/runtime yield issues.

If you know that 99.9% of your manufactured drives have somewhere between 0 and 10 GB of bad sectors within the warranty period, then you sell your 512G drive as a 500G drive and great.

Then you get the difference between GiB and GB

A drive with 2^whatever bytes has 512 GiB, or ~550GB, so it's reserving about 25GB for whatever.
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I bet that the underlying storage is really a power of 2, but some is reserved for manufacturing/runtime yield issues.

If you know that 99.9% of your manufactured drives have somewhere between 0 and 10 GB of bad sectors within the warranty period, then you sell your 512G drive as a 500G drive and great.

Then you get the difference between GiB and GB

A drive with 2^whatever bytes has 512 GiB, or ~550GB, so it's reserving about 25GB for whatever.

Nope. It's a Crucial MX300 internal SSD using the current/old 2.5" form factor. I had a Samsung, a couple actually but burned them out enough to warrant a swap.

512 GB is the usual amount for SSDs in that range but the MX300 was an outsider. It also came in 1,050 GB form instead of 1 TB. The two prior Samsungs were Pro models.

SSD prices are cheap now and getting cheaper. I don't know if I'll move to an NVME PCIE SSD because I don't see any particular use case where I'd use it and benefit from it. Though that's on my next build and I'm not sure what I want to get. I don't game much so I won't see major benefit going for a 9900K over a future 3700X from AMD.

The Crucial and Samsung controllers have access to discreet SLC based storage you can't see for their operations and programming. What you see is what you get apart from the translation issue. I've got an old laptop I installed an Crucial MX100 in a few years ago. That is a 512 GB drive and it has a usable 476 GB of space.

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MX300: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...view,4723.html

MX100: https://www.anandtech.com/show/8066/...b-512gb-review

Bought the MX100 in late 2014 on a holiday sale for around $180. It MSRP'd for around $230 maybe or less. You can get a lot more SSD for either that sale or MSRP amount. Off the top of my head, I've written 38 TB to that MX100 on my laptop. It's still showing 94% health according to whatever SMART monitor I use as well as Crucials own software. No idea how much I spent on the MX300, but it was cheaper.

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Nope. It's a Crucial MX300 internal SSD using the current/old 2.5" form factor.
I'm not sure what part of my quoted post you think is wrong.

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I'm not sure what part of my quoted post you think is wrong.
There is no dead value that gets downgraded. You're thinking of CPU binning which has higher fault rates. The amount uses by the controller is separate from what's available. If NAND has bad sectors as you point out it's scrapped. The total failure rate of NAND in the wild is less than a couple percent a year. If wafers are bad, then the drives will have problems down the line as the chips degrade over time. And considering some drives had petabytes written to them just a few years ago, they would have popped up fast. While SSDs are now reliable compared to a decade ago, you're still not advised to store long term data as you would a mechanical drive because of cost and how the drive can easily die/corrupt versus a mechanical that will often give you a clue as to its health.

If a drive is advertised as having 128 GB, it offers 128 GB in metric units. Operating systems work off of your example, the power of 2. That's it. There is no space taken away and placed aside for the controller software, drive leveling and such. That part is separate and usually works off of SLC memory and has its own cache. Most drives you can get right now are MLC and TLC, their controller will often use a separate set of SLC memory for those functions. Additionally, the controller will have some DRAM as a buffer cache. SSD designs vary, but the basic premise is a three part system. The controller also has enough power on certain SSDs that hold data in the cache and write it to the main chips in the case of a power loss which prevents data corruption.

The premise of separate caches and buffers isn't unlike a mechanical drive.

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