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[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

I dunno, something like this should help you out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d54_story.html

Hey, chickenshit-Are you a Trump supporter? 101

[Northeast Refugee]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Hey, chickenshit-Are you a Trump supporter?

Hey, you piece of shit--yes, I am.
Now, let me you ask this, you lowlife maggot: are you so fucking in love with Russia, you're ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents?
What the fuck is wrong with you? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? 102

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Hey, you piece of shit--yes, I am.

Took you long enough. Did it hurt to be forced to tell the truth? I hope you didn't lose any street cred with your fellow trollers. 103

[Northeast Refugee]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Took you long enough. Did it hurt to be forced to tell the truth? I hope you didn't lose any street cred with your fellow trollers.

It hurt very badly. Very badly, indeed.
Now, you goat-faced monkey, you answer me, and you answer me right now:
Are you so fucking in love with Russia, you're ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents?
What the fuck is wrong with you? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? 104

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

It hurt very badly. Very badly, indeed.
Now, you goat-faced monkey, you answer me, and you answer me right now:
Are you so fucking in love with Russia, you're ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents?
What the fuck is wrong with you? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong?

Naw. I managed to get you to admit you support Trump. I win. You lose.
Done with you. 105

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Annoyed

You mean like the taxpayer paying for the college debt of dumbasses who can’t do it themselves?

Would you happen to be a Trump supporter too? 106

[Northeast Refugee]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Naw. I managed to get you to admit you support Trump. I win. You lose.
Done with you.

Ah, yes, you got me there, and you got me good! I thought I managed to hide my support for our beloved God-Emperor Donald The First of His Name, but you, you, by you skillful cunning and devious stratagems, you just managed to extract from me that information. And then you declared yourself a winner!
I surrender. 107

[running coach]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Ah, yes, you got me there, and you got me good! I thought I managed to hide my support for our beloved God-Emperor Donald The First of His Name, but you, you, by you skillful cunning and devious stratagems, you just managed to extract from me that information. And then you declared yourself a winner!
I surrender.

We win! 108

[Derleth]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Now, let me you ask this, you lowlife maggot: are you so fucking in love with Russia, you're ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents?

Gaslight, Obstruct, Project isn't supposed to be an instruction manual. 109

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Do you care if they collude with Russian operatives to collect fake political dossier on their political opponents?

So your gotcha is “collusion with Russia”?

Trump supporter, eh?

Sounds about right. 110

[Annoyed]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Hey, shit-for-brains. Are you a Trump supporter, or are you yet another gutless wonder who would rather troll a thread than admit it?

I am a supporter of anything and anyone that stops liberal stupidity, up to and including Trump if he stands a chance to win again, which he does. 111

[Sunny Daze]

Hasn't Ditka said he voted Trump? If I recall correctly, he was very happy with the tax changes and didn't regret his vote. 112

[Northeast Refugee]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

So your gotcha is “collusion with Russia”?

Trump supporter, eh?

Sounds about right.

No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it.
The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles. 113

[snfaulkner]

Originally Posted by Annoyed

I am a supporter of anything and anyone that stops liberal stupidity, up to and including Trump if he stands a chance to win again, which he does.

So you're FOR conservative stupidity? If you had just said you were against stupidity, I might have agreed with you. 114

[Czarcasm]

I swear, I could have put [Admiral Ackbar]It's a trap!![/AA] in the OP and these morons would still have shown up to troll. 115

[madmonk28]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Пожалуйста.

I don’t have Cyrillic on this device, but I studied in Moscow and then worked in Russia. It’s a shithole. 116

[Euphonious Polemic]

Jesus. The best the right wing has to offer is "U Librals R the stoopid". 117

[HeweyLogan]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Or better yet, don't let the hijack continue until the gutless wonders say if they support Trump or not.

I read the OP and voted for Trump. I'm going to do it again, too. Am I allowed to comment in your thread?

Great.

You're as unhinged and nutty as asahi. 118

[Euphonious Polemic]

Originally Posted by HeweyLogan

I read the OP and voted for Trump. I'm going to do it again, too. Am I allowed to comment in your thread?

Great.

You're as unhinged and nutty as asahi.

Comment away. Enjoy your collaboration with China as they scramble to manufacture dirt on your political rivals. 119

[Annoyed]

Yep this thread certifies just how fucking stupid and detached from reality the left is when it comes to both understanding the right, and understanding their own failures. 120

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by Annoyed

Yep this thread certifies just how fucking stupid and detached from reality the left is when it comes to both understanding the right, and understanding their own failures.

Meh, I think that guys like you only show a failure to follow the law.

https://www.newsweek.com/following-t...utions-1443948

Following President Donald Trump's comments earlier this week that he would be willing to accept information about his political opponents even if were provided to his campaign by a foreign government, the chair of the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has publicly released a statement reminding everyone that doing so would be "illegal."

"I would not have thought that I needed to say this," wrote FEC Chair Ellen L. Weintraub on Twitter Thursday afternoon.

Her tweet included an image of her full statement, which reads:

"Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Electoral intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the beginnings of our nation. Our Founding Fathers sounded the alarm about 'foreign Interference, Intrigue, and Influence.' They knew that when foreign governments seek to influence American politics, it is always to advance their own interests, not America's."

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[The Librarian]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

What's there to reveal? DNC and Clinton campaign funneled millions of dollars to Russian operatives to collect dirt on Clinton's political enemy. The return on their investment was so pathetic, that only Goebbels-like outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN decided to publish it, while even the hard-code leftist rag like NY Times refused to publish it.

Did they abuse the power of any public office they were holding to do so?
(FTR they didn't. They sure as shit didn't release a transcript of them doing it)

To explain my point some more (i can see from your post we're gonna need to):
Using campaign funds to campaign isn't really in the same category as using US government money to campaign is it?

(For the sake of argument I'm accepting that the DNC also sought to obtain information through foreign channels; even if there is little proof of that.)

IF the DNC tried to strongarm foreign goverments into spying for them (they didn't), they didn't do it from the oval office. They didn't use promised US aid to extort anyone.
If you really think this has a "both sides" angle to it, you do not comprehend the implications of the information presented about Trump's recent dealings with Ukraine. I'm not claiming Hilary or the DNC are nice people who do everything by the book. They're politicians. I do claim they are able to separate US foreign policy from their personal campaign.

I also like to point out that WP <> buzzfeed.

(This post was brought to you by: The Librarian -- quality Troll food since 2002putting him on Ignore now) 122

[Monty]

Originally Posted by GIGObuster

Meh, I think that guys like you only show a failure to follow the law.

https://www.newsweek.com/following-t...utions-1443948

And Trump's VP says what Trump is not wrong or illegal at all. Hey, maybe he'll get impeached, too! 123

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it.

Cite? Almost every syllable of your post seems like nonsense; I'm sincerely curious what craven site you concocted it from.

Don't be shy. If the relevant Alex Jones YouTubes have been taken down, just say so. 124

[El_Kabong]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it.
The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles.

Assuming any of this is true (and I must pint out that you have provided zero evidence to this effect), I'll ask again: is it your argument that actual President Trump gets a free pass on wrongdoing if it can be shown that candidate Clinton did something wrong? 125

[JKellyMap]

Originally Posted by El_Kabong

Assuming any of this is true (and I must pint out that you have provided zero evidence to this effect), I'll ask again: is it your argument that actual President Trump gets a free pass on wrongdoing if it can be shown that candidate Clinton did something wrong?

Don’t you get it? Real life, including political matters, is just a sport. There are exactly two sides, and you’re either in one side, or the other. And there’s a score — two unambiguous numbers that increase over time, one for one side and one for the other.

At least, that’s exactly how every Republican I’ve ever met sees the world. Why, I have no idea. I really don’t. 126

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Annoyed

Yep this thread certifies just how fucking stupid and detached from reality the left is when it comes to both understanding the right, and understanding their own failures.

Trump is currently breaking the law, and you support that. That is what this thread is about. 127

[Hamlet]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

I swear, I could have put [Admiral Ackbar]It's a trap!![/AA] in the OP and these morons would still have shown up to troll.

To be fair, you're not going to find many Trump supporters in intelligent debates about policy, foreign government's influcing our elections, paying off porn stars, obstructing of justice, emoluments, or violating due process. These kinds of threads, where it's just stupid namecalling and "pwning da libs" are much more their speed. And their intelligence level. And their reading comprehension. And their critical thinking. 128

[JKellyMap]

Yes. One thing that worries me about all this compared to, say, Watergate, is the “foreign” (Ukraine) component. So many Republican voters don’t care at all about anything beyond US borders, so anything about how Trump compromised Ukraine’s security (even if this also hurt our own) is just a non-issue for them. 129

[manson1972]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

I dunno, something like this should help you out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d54_story.html

Do you have any cites that aren't somebody's opinion? 130

[Ann Hedonia]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Were you similarly outraged when it was revealed that paid agent of the Clinton campaign approached Russian officials, and subsequently funneled millions of dollars to them, for the infamous fake dossier (the one so obviously fake that even NYTimes refused to print that garbage, leaving it to the extreme far-left outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN to do the dirty job).
If you were not outraged, What in the holy fuck is wrong with you?? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong?

I believe it was the conservative Washington Examiner that purchased that piece of oppo research. But in any case, I certainly noticed that the Clinton campaign did not attempt to publicly release the dossier before the election or otherwise attempt to use it to their advantage. Instead, they turned the disturbing allegations over to law enforcement authorities . 131

[Lance Turbo]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it.
The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles.

This is like the fun house mirror view of what happened, but nothing in this post is actually true.

You post like a crazy person. Are you a crazy person? 132

[Ravenman]

Is this Northeast ding-dong yammering in about the Clinton Hotel deal in Moscow, still?? 133

[BobLibDem]

If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply:

1) You're willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges

2) Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts

3) You hate the same people he does

4) You're of low intelligence

5) You're just an asshole 134

[JKellyMap]

Man, that is one fugly Venn diagram. 135

[enipla]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply:

1) You're willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges

2) Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts

3) You hate the same people he does

4) You're of low intelligence

5) You're just an asshole

(6) You're in an industry that will benefit (at least short term) from lowering/removing environmental protections, and you don't give a shit about what the future may hold (because you won't be around to see it first hand). 136

[sciurophobic]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it.
The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles.

If they paid then it wasn't illegal.

Is it actually illegal to accept “campaign dirt” from foreigners?
Experts told me that when it comes to campaign finance law, hiring or contracting a foreigner to do services for a campaign is allowed. ...
If a campaign is paying someone for work or services, they’re being compensated. But where that doesn’t happen, and a campaign is accepting a contribution — or “thing of value” — from a foreign government, the question then is what’s in it for them?

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[John DiFool]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Thank you, Annoyed and Northeast Refugee, for being perfect examples.

I love you, Stinky! :kiss kiss:

I love you too, Smelly! :tongue tongue: 138

[septimus]

Let me see if I've scored this correctly. OP asks a very simple relevant question, which I will paraphrase as:

"Donald Trump appears to have committed a crime, yet Republicans are rallying around him. What gives? Is it OK if the Prez commits a crime? Is there some reason the apparent crime is not a crime? Hillary enslaved children to be sex slaves, so at least we're not as bad as her?"

Surely even a Republican can see that the answer to this question is relevant if we're to make any progress toward understanding their "thought."

Yet five Republicans or Trumpists have responded (six if we count Malleus' relative) and we've yet to get a single intelligible answer. Four (octopus, Shodan, Annoying, and Northeast Troll) have made several posts, yet have never even pretended to answer the question! — And they wonder why we treat them only with contempt?

But let's do give a big Thank You to the two Trumpists who deigned to answer, who deigned to help us understand what "conservative" thinking on this matter is.

First, hat's off to Malleus' relative:

Originally Posted by Malleus, Incus, Stapes!

I was having a conversation with a close relative the other day that I found enlightening, at least with regard to the current conservative psyche.
I asked him if he thought there were any hard lines the "good guys" should never cross. And he basically said, not really. He said that it's all nice and well to have ethics in a world where everyone holds hands and sings Kumbaya, but in the real world, you do what you have to do in America's best interests. Even if it means lowering yourself to "their" level.
After several minutes of debate, and some hemming and hawing, he came up with a line: genocide. As in, if there's a village full of civilians, you can't just bomb them because you don't like their face. If there's a better reason to bomb them, though, like there's terrorists hiding out in the village, kaboom away.

Convince yourself that having Agent Orange around is the best thing for the country, and with that mindset you really could overlook him shooting a guy on Fifth Avenue.

OK. If Trump commits a crime, it's OK. He can shoot a man on Fifth Avenue but not bomb an entire village. Many of the D's will disagree with this viewpoint, but at least he answered the question.

And HeweyLogan also answered the question.

Originally Posted by HeweyLogan

I read the OP and voted for Trump. I'm going to do it again, too. Am I allowed to comment in your thread?

Great.

You're as unhinged and nutty as asahi.

Wait a minute. This doesn't seem to be a direct answer either.

I hear complaints when we compare these Dopers to cockroaches. Yet given their inability to address a simple question, and given the utter nastiness with which they refuse to answer I think the comparison is unfair ... to cockroaches. 139

[SteveG1]

Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Man

Lol! No. Trump’s a piece of shit. I’d take any Democrat candidate over him.

I'd take an actual, literal steaming fresh piece of real shit over Trump. 140

[SteveG1]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

Could you kindly re-reveal it for those following along at home? Thanks.

It was right about the same time Obama opened the FEMA camps and the Bowling Green Massacre happened :rofl: 141

[SteveG1]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Hey, you piece of shit--yes, I am.
Now, let me you ask this, you lowlife maggot: are you so fucking in love with Russia, you're ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents?
What the fuck is wrong with you? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong?

Gee. That is exactly what Trump has been doing since Day One. right out in the fucking open. Along with Moscow Mitch and all the other scumbag shit eating maggot sons of bitches.

Now feel free to fuck off back to 4Chan 8Chan Stormfront or wherever the fuck you slithered in from. 142

[Saintly Loser]

Originally Posted by Elendil's Heir

My acid test for hyperpartisans is, "If the person involved was Clinton and not Trump, and the countries were, say, China and not Ukraine, would you still be totally cool with this?"

Doesn't work. They will either (a) refuse to answer, or (b) claim that they would have, which is an outright lie.

They don't care. They do not feel the need to be consistent. You know, like Bill Clinton fooling around with Monica L. might have destroyed the Republic, but Trump paying off a porn actress to keep her mouth shut about fooling around with him is is personal business and has nothing to do with his fitness to be president.

Because it is, after all is said and done, only about owning the libs. It is absolutely about nothing else. I guess being mean to some poor Guatemalan dishwashers is a nice bonus, but basically it's class warfare. 143

[Mijin]

MAGAs only see Trumpist news. It's really shocking to hear their understanding and interpretation of world events in recent years.
A friend of mine was staying with a family in Montana recently, and she told me that they thought the big scandal of last year was the one involving...Michelle Obama (I would put a confused emoji here, but it would make light of just how WTF that notion is).

What's interesting to me is that with this Ukraine scandal, the defence is completely incoherent. Because Trump himself is denouncing the whole thing as a witch hunt, fake news etc, while at the same time tacitly admitting to all the accusations against him. So Republicans' defences are really all over the place, much more so than ever before.

I think Trump will lose an onion layer of support on this one, leaving only the more hardcore "Tell me how many fingers I can see, dear leader" MAGAs.
I don't know what will happen to these hardcore guys as we proceed to the next phase (we're probably at about phase 25 by now). 144

[RioRico]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

Ah, so you're ok with US Presidential candidate funneling millions of dollars for fake information about their political opponents from Russian operatives.

From Wikipedia:

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, an attorney for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. DNC officials denied knowing their attorney had contracted with Fusion GPS, and Steele asserted he was not aware the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research until months after he contracted with Fusion GPS.[9][10] Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research and was reportedly paid directly by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn R. Simpson.
<...>
Russian intelligence agencies have sought to create doubt about the veracity of the dossier.[15] The U.S. intelligence community took the allegations seriously.[16]
<...>
Contrary to repeated assertions by Trump,[20] Fox News,[21] and many of his supporters, the dossier was not the impetus for the opening of the FBI's "Crossfire Hurricane" counterintelligence investigation into the Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election campaign.[22]

Doesn't sound like anyone gave millions to Russian operatives. But wait, there's more!

When CNN reported the existence of the dossier on January 10, 2017,[82][96] it did not name the author of the dossier, but revealed that he was British. Steele concluded that his anonymity had been "fatally compromised", and, realizing it was "only a matter of time until his name became public knowledge", fled into hiding with his family, in fear of "a prompt and potentially dangerous backlash against him from Moscow".[97][98]

Oh yeah, them husky Russkies, they loved the reveal so much!

Tramp has bragged of obstruction, said he wanted to fuck his underage daughter, said good Nazis and KKK'rs exist, and "confiscate guns now; due process later." Don't forget the crocodile-filled border moat. A simple question: You're okay with this? 145

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Saintly Loser

Doesn't work. They will either (a) refuse to answer, or (b) claim that they would have, which is an outright lie.

They don't care. They do not feel the need to be consistent.

That's standard fascist tactics, as old as the movement itself. They don't care in the slightest about consistency or any type of principle, only about "winning". They'll knowingly contradict themselves with a smile because it throws a wrench into the normal rules of conversation and debate, both enraging their opponents and often causing those opponents to be punished by moderators if their are any in that medium. 146

[Pardel-Lux]

Originally Posted by Northeast Refugee

[...] leaving it to the extreme far-left outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN to do the dirty job [...]
[...] that only Goebbels-like outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN decided to publish it, while even the hard-code leftist rag like NY Times refused to publish it.

So for you "far-left outlets" are synonymous with "Goebbels-like". It follows that you consider yourself a moderate way to the right of Goebbels. No brotherly love for you, no turning the other cheek: I wish you evil, suffering and damnation. 147

[anomalous1]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply:

1) You're willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges

2) Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts

3) You hate the same people he does

4) You're of low intelligence

5) You're just an asshole

I support him

1.)No, but those are a nice change of pace.
2.)No, there are twenty difference liberal news outlets and maybe 2 conservative, I get my news from the left for the most part (some is much more true to "News" than others), and do some fact checking. Much of the complaints turn out to be projection of their own insecurities, hypocrisy, hyperbole or just baseless. If it is, I take note and scale it, keeping an eye out and ear open to see if it gets worse. I don't care about politicians personal lives as much as what they do.
3.)I don't hate anyone.
4.) 138 IQ, A decade ago, so I've improved.
5.) When I have to be, or when it get results. Generally I like to be fair to everyone and give them a fair shake. I only give a second chance, not a third, or fourth+

Outside of stereotypes, most righties I've known are the same. 148

[anomalous1]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

That's standard fascist tactics, as old as the movement itself. They don't care in the slightest about consistency or any type of principle, only about "winning". They'll knowingly contradict themselves with a smile because it throws a wrench into the normal rules of conversation and debate, both enraging their opponents and often causing those opponents to be punished by moderators if their are any in that medium.

This is EXACTLY what you keep doing when myself or another rightie posts anything at all that differs from your opinion. 149

[Morgyn]

People looking for non-biased media can read reporting from Reuters, AP, and BBC. 150