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Old 06-09-2019, 06:14 PM
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Black mirror -why?


OK, here’s me with a three day weekend, so I decide to try out Black Mirror, from critical acclaim and all that. The first episode is a Prime Minister being forced to fuck a pig because of a kidnapped princess. Totally unpleasant show. I know this show has many devotees. How does it go from this repulsive beginning to something someone would want to see?
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:19 PM
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OK, here’s me with a three day weekend, so I decide to try out Black Mirror, from critical acclaim and all that. The first episode is a Prime Minister being forced to fuck a pig because of a kidnapped princess. Totally unpleasant show. I know this show has many devotees. How does it go from this repulsive beginning to something someone would want to see?
I feel the same way. Tried a few EPs, didn't like any of them.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:30 PM
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I love the show. I have recommended it to several people with the suggestion that they save the first episode for later. The people I recommended it to didn't stick with it, regardless of what episode they start with. It's not for everybody.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:34 PM
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I've been binging the first 3 seasons this weekend. it seems like a black satirical / speculative anthology show with emphasis on new technology. It's absolutely great IMO. No one has done this before, that's why.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:38 PM
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The first episode is one of the worst. But you have to like dark and bleak stories to really like the series. If you want happy garbage, go watch the rest of all entertainment.

Edit, not that there aren't some truly heartfelt tear-jerkingly happy moments in black mirror (san junipero) just presented in a bleak way.
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The first episode is one of the worst. But you have to like dark and bleak stories to really like the series. If you want happy garbage, go watch the rest of all entertainment.
but that is the thing for me. I love noir, books and movies. Maybe I should try again, a lot of people I know love it.

I feel the same way about the Phillip K Dick series. Got excited when I heard of it. Saw a few and they were just OK.

BTW, the "happy garbage" comment is a little insulting

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but that is the thing for me. I love noir, books and movies. Maybe I should try again, a lot of people I know love it.

I feel the same way about the Phillip K Dick series. Got excited when I heard of it. Saw a few and they were just OK.

BTW, the "happy garbage" comment is a little insulting
I find most "entertainment" a lot insultingly fake and stupid. I dont care if you like them or not. I know I'm in the minority. But I find one God damn show out of thousands that finally makes me think and, heaven forbid, actually *feel* something and express my love for it only to be told I'm being insulting...no wonder I'm cynical and this love this show.
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I find most "entertainment" a lot insultingly fake and stupid. I dont care if you like them or not. I know I'm in the minority. But I find one God damn show out of thousands that finally makes me think and, heaven forbid, actually *feel* something and express my love for it only to be told I'm being insulting...no wonder I'm cynical and this love this show.
I find most of "entertainment" the same way. I'm with you. But you, because I didn't love the show that you love, presume to say that I, and others who don't love the show you love, only want happy garbage.

Some of my favorite movies are Chinatown, Body Heat, Double Indeminity, etc

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I find most of "entertainment" the same way. I'm with you. But you, because I didn't love the show that you love, presume to say that I, and others who don't love the show you love, only want happy garbage.
It wasn't personal, man. It was "you" as in "all you in this stupid and insulting society." Sorry if I was unclear.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:35 AM
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If you want happy garbage, go watch the rest of all entertainment.
I dearly love happy garbage. There's not enough of it, these days. TV has become so bleak, but I want escapism.
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The majority of episodes are disturbing in some way, that one is disturbing in a way that's a deal breaker for a lot of people. I tell friends to skip it when i recommend Black Mirror.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:56 PM
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I think one of the best episodes is the "White Christmas" episode with Jon Hamm. Just when you think it's reached peak messed up-ness it steps it up some more.
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BTW, I just went back to the IMDb link for White Christmas and noticed that under the heading "Storyline" (under the cast listing) it is very spoilery. Better to go in knowing nothing.
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I got hooked from the first episode, though I can understand why people were grossed out by it.

I loved the way it always went beyond the obvious and dealt with ramifications that you wouldn't have thought of.

Some episodes are better than others, but there are few duds.
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I haven't seen all of them - I'm a slow watcher of this series because it can be depressing as fuck - but the ones I've liked so far:
  • The Entire History of You (season 1): memory implants mean you'll never forget anything ever again, but neither will anyone else...
  • Nosedive (season 3): taking social media likes/reputation juuuust that bit too far
  • Playtest (season 3): Total Recall-eque, what's real and what isn't
  • USS Callister (season 4): a technological genius makes digital copies of colleagues; deeply creepy
  • Hang the DJ (season 4): a dating program pairs people up; two people reject its logic
  • Black Museum (season 4): a creepy roadside attraction owner explains some of his exhibits

It's not a long list, but there have only been 22 episodes across five seasons (not counting Bandersnatch).

ETA: I haven't recommended some that are highly regarded like San Junipero because I haven't seen them yet.

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Old 06-09-2019, 08:34 PM
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Through season 4:
  • Fifteen Million Merits
  • The Entire History of You
  • Be Right Back
  • White Bear
  • White Christmas
  • Playtest
  • Shut Up and Dance
  • USS Callister
  • Arkangel
  • Hang the DJ
  • Black Museum

The first episode is one of the worst in the entire series both because it's not terribly entertaining, but the tone and content is quite different than what makes the rest of the series great.

I think if I had to recommend one episode to introduce someone it would be either White Christmas or The Entire History of You.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:09 AM
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Common advice is to skip the first episode and only go back to watch it if you are drawn in by the other episodes. I disagree. If you don't think that the first episode is thought-provoking I don't think you'll like much of the rest either. If you think that the first episode is too disturbing you'll likely find many others to be very disturbing also. The first episode is a litmus test - if pig fucking is some sort of line in the sand for you this show isn't for you. It's only pig fucking, for christ's sake. If not like it's child rape or something else which is similarly disturbing to contemplate.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:52 AM
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Common advice is to skip the first episode and only go back to watch it if you are drawn in by the other episodes. I disagree. If you don't think that the first episode is thought-provoking I don't think you'll like much of the rest either. If you think that the first episode is too disturbing you'll likely find many others to be very disturbing also. The first episode is a litmus test - if pig fucking is some sort of line in the sand for you this show isn't for you. It's only pig fucking, for christ's sake. If not like it's child rape or something else which is similarly disturbing to contemplate.
I really do think the first episode is very different in feel from the rest. It has a black comedy/absurdist feel to it the others don't, and (at least to me) required much more a suspension of disbelief. Looking back at my first impressions of it in threads here, I guess I didn't mind the first episode, but it stood out as quite different than the rest (and it did end up being my least favorite of the first three.) What I expected from Black Mirror after watching the first episode is very different than what I got from the rest of the episodes. It really is a show that you have to watch a handful of episodes to get the sense if you like it or not. There are clearly people who hated the first episode, but like the series as a whole.

And, no, I didn't care about the pig fucking. It's just that I expected more absurd black comedy than what I got from the later episodes. That episode just tonally strikes me as different.

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Old 06-10-2019, 11:17 AM
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Common advice is to skip the first episode and only go back to watch it if you are drawn in by the other episodes. I disagree. If you don't think that the first episode is thought-provoking I don't think you'll like much of the rest either. If you think that the first episode is too disturbing you'll likely find many others to be very disturbing also. The first episode is a litmus test - if pig fucking is some sort of line in the sand for you this show isn't for you. It's only pig fucking, for christ's sake. If not like it's child rape or something else which is similarly disturbing to contemplate.
You do realize that child rape comes into play in another Black Mirror episode, right? Although I do agree the first epi is a litmus test. It has all the worst things about this series in a dull, tone-deaf package. If you can sit through it, then child rape and baby killing is easy!
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If you don't think that the first episode is thought-provoking I don't think you'll like much of the rest either. If you think that the first episode is too disturbing you'll likely find many others to be very disturbing also. The first episode is a litmus test - if pig fucking is some sort of line in the sand for you this show isn't for you. It's only pig fucking, for christ's sake. If not like it's child rape or something else which is similarly disturbing to contemplate.
This. Some folks don't have the intestinal fortitude to think about the sorts of social horrors that are already at our doorstep, and this show isn't for them. Other folks do have the courage to contemplate how bad things can get, and maybe to make changes to prevent/mitigate those kinds of situations. Not everything worthwhile is pleasant.
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This. Some folks don't have the intestinal fortitude to think about the sorts of social horrors that are already at our doorstep, and this show isn't for them. Other folks do have the courage to contemplate how bad things can get, and maybe to make changes to prevent/mitigate those kinds of situations. Not everything worthwhile is pleasant.
It has nothing to do with "pleasant." The first episode doesn't really have the same tone as the rest of the episodes. It struck me more as absurd comedy a la Delicatessen or something of that nature, but the rest of the series isn't really like that. For me, that just wasn't a particularly insightful episode. It didn't make me think as much as the rest of the series has. (But it wasn't as bad as something like "The Waldo Moment." But, of the first three seasons, it was easily the second worst episode to my tastes.) I mean, I'm all for pig-fucking in TV series--that doesn't squick me out. But is it done for good purpose? I didn't think so.

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Old 06-10-2019, 09:18 AM
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I like the show a lot and the first episode is one of my favorites. It made me think and it made me a little uncomfortable, but I like that.

Plus I don't reckon that anyone really fucked a pig! I guess I'd feel different if I didn't believe that.
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I find myself asking the question in the OP title often while watching the show. I have to gear myself up and be in a good place emotionally before I sit down to watch because this show can fuck you up if you go in unprepared. Hang The Dj is the last episode I've watched. I will go back and watch them all. . . just give me time.

And, just to be different from everyone else, one of my favorite episodes is Crocodile. Many, many hate it because they think it is intentionally cruel and the last 'twist' was uncalled for. But watching how that seemingly ordinary-- even exceptional by some standards-- woman becomes a monster is amazing. And that last scene as she watches her son's school play is just, well-- one of my favorite episodes.

So I don't leave anyone thinking I'm a cruel monster, my favorite second episode is San Juperino. What? A happy ending? In MY Black Mirror?
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Too late to edit---

It has been my contention that The National Anthem was chosen to be the first episode because the makers of Black Mirror wanted to help viewers along: Can you handle the Prime Minister fucking a pig? How 'bout what watching this says about you? Then this series is for you!
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"Black Mirror" is clearly not for everyone. The show makes you think (sometimes about things you'd prefer not to), and can make you really uncomfortable...because it is revealing about things YOU are not totally comfortable with.

I don't recall the title, but the one where people have an implant that stores everything they've seen/experienced, and can be replayed to the user as well as to the outside world was really uncomfortable for me. I ended up stopping it, and then coming back to it later.

There was another one where people's entire "standing" was based on (Facebook-like) "likes" you received from everyone else. And this woman just keeps spiralling out of control because of it.

I love that the show's stories examine how technology, even with the best intentions, can turn into nightmares.
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Common advice is to skip the first episode and only go back to watch it if you are drawn in by the other episodes. I disagree. If you don't think that the first episode is thought-provoking I don't think you'll like much of the rest either. If you think that the first episode is too disturbing you'll likely find many others to be very disturbing also. The first episode is a litmus test - if pig fucking is some sort of line in the sand for you this show isn't for you. It's only pig fucking, for christ's sake. If not like it's child rape or something else which is similarly disturbing to contemplate.
Sorry, but this post borders on pseudo-intellectual hogwash. It is like you are saying that if someone doesn't like the first episode, then they won't like "Nosedive" or "White Christmas"...even though they have very different themes and plotlines and characters.

The only reason I kept watching after episode 1 was because people hyped the whole series, not just single episodes. I wasn't repulsed by the first episode or anything. It just didn't punch any of my buttons. But other episodes did.

Don't overthink this. It is just a freakin' TV show.

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I dunno, it seemed one of the few stories that could actually break tomorrow morning. I rather liked it because it takes the blanket "don't negotiate with terrorists" wisdom and utterly betrays it because of politics.
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I dunno, it seemed one of the few stories that could actually break tomorrow morning. I rather liked it because it takes the blanket "don't negotiate with terrorists" wisdom and utterly betrays it because of politics.
Granted, when I read about the David Cameron story in the Daily Mail (which, I know, I know, doesn't exactly have have a reputation of stellar reporting), I did think back to the Black Mirror episode and how, well, maybe I should have suspended disbelief just a wee bit more.
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If it was so bad why did they choose it for the premier?

To me it set out the satirical mission and staked out all positions to the left of weird, so it's audience knew who they were. (Anyone who can recall Monty Pythons debut in the states knows that) I knew exactly that I wanted to see the whole series then and not referee episodes against each other.

We are getting absurd on social media. It needs to be witnessed and worked on by artists. The first episode made it clear that it was doing that. A tv show that is sui generis at the moment needs some encouragement. The writing seems great to me.
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If it was so bad why did they choose it for the premier?
I didn't think it was necessary bad per se, but I didn't think it was wholly representative of the series. Like I said, I didn't dislike it upon initial viewing, but when I saw the rest of the series for that season and the next two, I thought it was severely lacking and not representative.
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I thought it was widely understood that the first episode of a series is generally not representative of subsequent episodes. I doubt most series would be successful if people used the very first episode as a "litmus test".

It is very much possible to fully comprehend what an episode is trying to achieve and still be completely "meh" about it.
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I'm a fan. Some episodes more than others of course and I agree with the idea of having to be in the right mental frame of mind for certain episodes.

What I like is the purity of its "what if" nature. It takes one idea and runs with it to see how the extremes play out. That takes us to dark places but plausible places and therein lies the horror. It also very cleverly balances the technology on the edge of what is currently possible and tempts us to take a little peek over the edge. They disturb and horrify us precisely because we see hints of it all around us and to an extent we are all the frogs being boiled and we may not realise until too late. I think they act as cautionary tales, modern fables.

Some of it is very intense and I fully understand why it isn't for everyone but for those who are a fan I might also recommend "Inside no.9" an anthology horror/suspense/comedy series by Reece Sheersmith and Steve Pemberton who you may know as writers and actors in "the League of Gentlemen"
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I'm a fan. Some episodes more than others of course and I agree with the idea of having to be in the right mental frame of mind for certain episodes.

What I like is the purity of its "what if" nature. It takes one idea and runs with it to see how the extremes play out. That takes us to dark places but plausible places and therein lies the horror. It also very cleverly balances the technology on the edge of what is currently possible and tempts us to take a little peek over the edge. They disturb and horrify us precisely because we see hints of it all around us and to an extent we are all the frogs being boiled and we may not realise until too late. I think they act as cautionary tales, modern fables.

Some of it is very intense and I fully understand why it isn't for everyone but for those who are a fan I might also recommend "Inside no.9" an anthology horror/suspense/comedy series by Reece Sheersmith and Steve Pemberton who you may know as writers and actors in "the League of Gentlemen"
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I'm one of those people who didn't watch beyond the first episode. I'm surprised at people saying the pig-fucking episode 'made them think' - what about, exactly?
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I'm one of those people who didn't watch beyond the first episode. I'm surprised at people saying the pig-fucking episode 'made them think' - what about, exactly?
Hm. How about cravenness in public life and social media brought to an ad absurdum inhuman level.

I guess satire is not your bag?

What is it about pig fucking that presses buttons and ends intellectual curiosity in dopers? Maybe it has something to do with why it was ep #1.
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Hm. How about cravenness in public life and social media brought to an ad absurdum inhuman level.

I guess satire is not your bag?

What is it about pig fucking that presses buttons and ends intellectual curiosity in dopers? Maybe it has something to do with why it was ep #1.
No, it just bludgeoned over the head with its fucking "point." That's a lot why I'm not a huge fan of "Nosedive." Nice premise. Started out good. Then just wouldn't stop beating you over the head with its point. Just no subtlety. That's how I feel about a quarter of Black Mirror episodes, and those kind of bristle at me. The rest are great. (And, actually, Twilight Zone has those moments as well.)

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No, it just bludgeoned over the head with its fucking "point." That's a lot why I'm not a huge fan of "Nosedive." Nice premise. Started out good. Then just wouldn't stop beating you over the head with its point. Just no subtlety. That's how I feel about a quarter of Black Mirror episodes, and those kind of bristle at me. The rest are great. (And, actually, Twilight Zone has those moments as well.)
I enjoyed that one a lot. It seemed to hit all the good jokes in that scenario, and I wasn't actually sure I knew how it was going to end. It seemed good satire and not a cliche, having everyone rating each other constantly. I laughed out loud. Of course we have seen something of this type of episode before, but not in this reality. I haven't begun to be that critical of the show yet. I'm just glad that a show is covering this aspect of life. The last 3 years have seen reality far outpacing and outstripping any art we have, in terms of our social systems. To me this show is addressing the imbalance a little.

I do recall though on watching it that the brother character was the moral center of the show. If he wasn't in it, it might not have been possible to make it. And yet he is part of the system too, at a low 3.

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I enjoyed that one a lot. It seemed to hit all the good jokes in that scenario, and I wasn't actually sure I knew how it was going to end. It seemed good satire and not a cliche, having everyone rating each other constantly. I laughed out loud. Of course we have seen something of this type of episode before, but not in this reality. I haven't begun to be that critical of the show yet. I'm just glad that a show is covering this aspect of life. The last 3 years have seen reality far outpacing and outstripping any art we have, in terms of our social systems. To me this show is addressing the imbalance a little.

I do recall though on watching it that the brother character was the moral center of the show. If he wasn't in it, it might not have been possible to make it. And yet he is part of the system too, at a low 3.
Clearly that episode is really, really popular. And it works, because so many people respond to it. I didn't dislike it, but I thought it could have been done a bit better--for my tastes. And I admit, that's just my tastes. I kind of felt the same way with "Fifteen Million Merits." About halfway through I was like, yeah, yeah, I get the point, now what, and it just didn't seem to add anything fresh or cleverly subtle after it was clear what critique was established.

I mean, don't get me wrong--I still end up thinking about every episode after I see it, which is much more than I could say for most television I watch. And a portion of that time, the thought is about why the episode didn't quite do it for me, but it still makes me explore why I feel the way I feel about the episode, instead of just not giving a shit at all.
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...here is the original planned ending for Jordan Peele's "Get Out."

(Spoilers-not spoilers, if that makes any sense, just don't watch if you haven't already seen the movie)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JS7_OcPWQ

And here is Jordan Peele on why he changed the ending.

http://collider.com/get-out-alternate-ending/

SPOILER:
In the beginning when I was first making this movie the idea was, ‘OK, we’re in this post-racial world, apparently. That was the whole idea. People were saying, ‘We’ve got Obama so racism is over, let’s not talk about it.’ That’s what the movie was meant to address. Like look, you recognize this interaction. These are all clues, if you don’t already know, that racism isn’t over. […] So the ending in that era was meant to say, look, ‘You think race isn’t an issue? Well at the end, we all know this is how this movie would end right here.’

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It was very clear that the ending needed to transform into something that gives us a hero, that gives us an escape, gives us a positive feeling when we leave this movie. […] There’s nothing more satisfying than seeing the audience go crazy when Rod shows up.


Another series that evolved was The Leftovers. Damon Lindelof talks about how he was severely depressed while writing series one. Lindelof partly attributes the tonal shift in season two and three to being able to work though some of those issues.

Things change. Writers change. Mediums change. The world has changed. The Charlie Brooker that wrote the first episode of Black Mirror was in a very different place than the Charlie Brooker who wrote 'Me, You, and Ashley Too'. Early Black Mirror predicted a dystopian nightmare: many of us are now living in a dystopian nightmare.

I can't bring myself to watch early episodes of Black Mirror. But thats okay. I love how the series has evolved, but that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with how it all began. We can't expect the creators at the top-of-their-game to churn out the same thing over-and-over again. That just isn't how the creative process works. Unlike a series like "The Twilight Zone" where with "a writers' room and completed concepts, outlines", this is the work of a single writer, and we go where-ever he decides to go. And if that means we get an episode with Miley Cyrus starring as Miley Cyrus that turns into a cheesy heist episode of Hannah Montana then thats fine with me.
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Hm. How about cravenness in public life and social media brought to an ad absurdum inhuman level.

I guess satire is not your bag?

What is it about pig fucking that presses buttons and ends intellectual curiosity in dopers? Maybe it has something to do with why it was ep #1.

For me it wasn't the pig-fucking, I think it was that when it comes to absurd stuff I come from a cultural background which made that whole episode primary-school level. Seriously. That whole thing could have been a year's end show in my primary school and the nuns wouldn't have batted an eyelash.
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For me it wasn't the pig-fucking, I think it was that when it comes to absurd stuff I come from a cultural background which made that whole episode primary-school level. Seriously. That whole thing could have been a year's end show in my primary school and the nuns wouldn't have batted an eyelash.
Wow, the primary schools and nuns where you grew up were way, WAY different from the ones where I grew up. Then again, I guess pig fucking permanently damages less children than all that pedophilia and babies-buried-in-the-convent-yard shit.
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For me it wasn't the pig-fucking, I think it was that when it comes to absurd stuff I come from a cultural background which made that whole episode primary-school level. Seriously. That whole thing could have been a year's end show in my primary school and the nuns wouldn't have batted an eyelash.
I don't follow. It was too mild for parochial school? Are you attacking the episode from the left?
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I'm one of those people who didn't watch beyond the first episode. I'm surprised at people saying the pig-fucking episode 'made them think' - what about, exactly?
Um, like if you have the choice between letting someone be murdered, possibly horribly, and fucking a pig on camera, thereby caving to the demands of a terrorist along with whatever baggage fucking a pig brings you--which do you choose? Kind of a no brainer for you? Not seeing just a little bit of hard choosing? And does it seem like a scenario that's too far-fetched for reality? The right answer is to never negotiate with or obey a blackmailer/terrorist, but would you be prepared to let you favorite politician allow the murder on that principle? Would you be able to let an innocent die if you had the power to stop it?
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Um, like if you have the choice between letting someone be murdered, possibly horribly, and fucking a pig on camera, thereby caving to the demands of a terrorist along with whatever baggage fucking a pig brings you--which do you choose? Kind of a no brainer for you? Not seeing just a little bit of hard choosing? And does it seem like a scenario that's too far-fetched for reality? The right answer is to never negotiate with or obey a blackmailer/terrorist, but would you be prepared to let you favorite politician allow the murder on that principle? Would you be able to let an innocent die if you had the power to stop it?
And also-- would you watch? I think the people most at fault were the millions who tuned in to view. There were watch parties and bars stuffed with people all who just could not wait to watch the Prime Minister debase himself even though there was an active campaign to get the public NOT to watch. I think those are the people this episode shined its creepy-assed light on.
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And also-- would you watch? I think the people most at fault were the millions who tuned in to view. There were watch parties and bars stuffed with people all who just could not wait to watch the Prime Minister debase himself even though there was an active campaign to get the public NOT to watch. I think those are the people this episode shined its creepy-assed light on.
99% of people would watch. I'm dead certain of it.
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I think I'd be one of those obnoxious people who wouldn't watch the pig fucking "on principle", but who would still read all the megathreads and live Twitter feeds devoted to the subject.
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And also-- would you watch? I think the people most at fault were the millions who tuned in to view. There were watch parties and bars stuffed with people all who just could not wait to watch the Prime Minister debase himself even though there was an active campaign to get the public NOT to watch. I think those are the people this episode shined its creepy-assed light on.

Yes. That's the whole point of the episode IMO : the gawkers' reactions, and how sociopathic social media has made us. Like, if people were decent, if they had even a iota of empathy for the PM as a fellow human being, then the "artist" wouldn't have done it in the first place. His whole point was to shine a light on the depravity of the public, NOT of the act itself or even the moral dilemma handed to the PM. People have done worse to save lives, hell people have done and do worse to earn a paycheck.

Of course it's completely lost on the public, who mindlessly line up to jeer on another man's humiliation. This in stark contrast with the people close to the PM who have to "help" and all seem on the verge of breaking down just having to take part in it in any form - because they can't ignore or tune out the very real human element of it.



Then again, who am I to cast a stone ? I, who once watched a video of a woman getting her ladyparts filled with live eels because, well, it was there and I was bored. And it promised to be so profoundly fucked up, I couldn't not take a look. Like an accident on the freeway, except wriggling and gooey.
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I thought the first episode was one of the best! I was hooked from the very first moment.

On the other hand, I didn't really like San Junipero. It seemed too sappy sweet for me. But I only saw it once and I kept expecting a twist.
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OK, here’s me with a three day weekend, so I decide to try out Black Mirror, from critical acclaim and all that. The first episode is a Prime Minister being forced to fuck a pig because of a kidnapped princess. Totally unpleasant show. I know this show has many devotees. How does it go from this repulsive beginning to something someone would want to see?
I love the show, but when I recommend it to others I always advise them to not start with the first episode. Since it is an anthology, like Twilight Zone, it does not matter where you begin. Believe me, the critical accolades are well-deserved. Other posts have made great recommendations about where to begin if you decide to give it another chance.
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