Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #9051  
Old 10-01-2019, 06:02 AM
Gray Ghost is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,399
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post
Colt has announced they will stop manufacturing AR-15s due to falling sales
https://americanmilitarynews.com/201...-of-ar-15s/amp
They're making them still; they're just fulfilling only military and LE contracts. Not that it matters much, but it is a deceptive headline.
  #9052  
Old 10-01-2019, 06:44 AM
Cheesesteak's Avatar
Cheesesteak is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Lovely Montclair, NJ
Posts: 13,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Ghost View Post
Further, how does Dallas PD know that the holes in the alleged burglar came from the homeowner's weapon? Ballistics? Big blood trail from old guy's shed to the place where the body was discovered?
Sorta spit-ballin' here, but if you tell the cops you shot at a guy behind your house and there's a guy behind your house with bullet holes in him, they're going to think it was your bullet what killed 'em, and not some random bullet from someone else.
  #9053  
Old 10-01-2019, 12:35 PM
SteveG1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Van Nuys CA
Posts: 14,334
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post
Under Oregon's red flag law, the FBI took a guy's guns away and put him in twenty days involuntary mental health evaluation after he threatened to shoot up antifa protesters.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019...guns-away.html
Good. He made a threat, they took it serous. Good.
  #9054  
Old 10-01-2019, 12:37 PM
SteveG1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Van Nuys CA
Posts: 14,334
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves View Post
It would be even better news if he never had access to tools of mass murder, and didn't have to be stopped just barely in time.

That's exactly the kind of Good Guy we're constantly being told would make a great school guardian.
This. Crazy bastards should NOT have access to guns. period.
  #9055  
Old 10-04-2019, 02:21 AM
Monty's Avatar
Monty is online now
Straight Dope Science Advisory Board
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Beijing, China
Posts: 23,520
Florida man shot and killed son-in-law in case of mistaken identity, sheriff says.

Quote:
A Florida man will not face charges after authorities said he accidentally shot and killed his son-in-law who had just flown to the U.S. from Norway as a birthday surprise.

The tragic case of mistaken identity occurred around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday at a home in Gulf Breeze, said Santa Rosa County Sheriff Bob Johnson at a Thursday press conference.

Johnson said that Richard Dennis, 61, of Gulf Breeze shot and killed 37-year-old Christopher Bergan, who was married to Dennis' daughter. Bergan had flown from Norway to Florida to surprise his father-in-law for his birthday, the sheriff said.
Damn, don't disturb dear dad!

Quote:
Originally Posted by from the link above
Earlier that evening, Dennis and another relative got into an argument after the relative came by the home and banged on the front door, according to police.
  #9056  
Old 10-04-2019, 02:42 AM
Isamu is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Osaka
Posts: 6,555
Is that mistaken identity? If so, who did he mistakenly think he was shooting? I doubt he established any identity. If you say he thought he was shooting at an intruder then he didn't establish any identity at all.
  #9057  
Old 10-04-2019, 02:44 AM
septimus's Avatar
septimus is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Land of Smiles
Posts: 19,799
I've not clicked this thread for a while. Much excitement!!

But don't several of these posts belong in the Positive Guns give me a Hard-On thread?
Quote:
Originally Posted by k9bfriender View Post
And that was my first thought too. I don't know whether it was really an accident or not, but that does set an interesting precedent that you can openly kill someone and only get charged with a first degree misdemeanor if you use a gun.

Hard to claim it was an accident when it is a knife.
Great minds think alike! I wondered if this were it. What was the misdemeanor for? Borrowing a toy without permission? If playing with a gun is a way to avoid a murder rap for someone who deserved killing, shouldn't this be in the Good Gun News thread?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post
Under Oregon's red flag law, the FBI took a guy's guns away and put him in twenty days involuntary mental health evaluation after he threatened to shoot up antifa protesters.
That's Oregon. In Alerbammer or South Calinkey he'd have been offered a medal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by manson1972 View Post
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
Right. If Yahweh had wanted to exclude lunatics he would have mentioned that when he wrote the Second Amendment atop Mt. Sinai, wouldn't he have?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Railer13 View Post
More news from Texas, where they obviously need no gun regulations:
Man accidentally shoots himself in groin at gun club in Guadalupe County
Again, this should be in the Good News thread. Assuming both testicles were damaged, his own gun will stop him from spawning more gun nuts!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmlabs View Post
... Dallas man accused of fatally shooting burglar and going back to bed before calling 911 ...

Shoot at somebody ... then go back to bed for a couple hours before calling the cops? What the living f*ck?!?
More good news ... for insomniacs like me. Next time I'm having trouble sleeping, I'll just kill someone with a gun.
  #9058  
Old 10-04-2019, 11:22 AM
davidm's Avatar
davidm is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Near Philadelphia PA, USA
Posts: 12,515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isamu View Post
Is that mistaken identity? If so, who did he mistakenly think he was shooting? I doubt he established any identity. If you say he thought he was shooting at an intruder then he didn't establish any identity at all.
He was there from Norway to surprise his father in law for his birthday. He jumped out of the bushes and his father in law immediately shot him.

This is what happens with trigger happy idiots. Why did he go to the door with a gun ready? If he thought it was the man from earlier, and felt that that man was a threat, why not just make sure the door is locked and call the police? He could always shoot him if he broke in.
__________________
Check out my t-shirt designs in Marketplace. https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...php?p=21131885
  #9059  
Old 10-04-2019, 11:32 AM
Cheesesteak's Avatar
Cheesesteak is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Lovely Montclair, NJ
Posts: 13,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isamu View Post
Is that mistaken identity? If so, who did he mistakenly think he was shooting? I doubt he established any identity. If you say he thought he was shooting at an intruder then he didn't establish any identity at all.
It amazes me that it's not even a matter of criminal negligence. The doorbell ringer could've been the UPS guy or a Census taker, or Jane Wiedlin.

You can't just go about gunning down people on your doorstep because you had an argument. Well, I guess in Florida you can.
  #9060  
Old 10-04-2019, 12:18 PM
septimus's Avatar
septimus is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Land of Smiles
Posts: 19,799
Lethal shootings are justified in many states if you're afraid of bodily harm.
And many of these gun nuts are cowards who seem constantly afraid.
It's surprising they ever get a murder conviction!
  #9061  
Old 10-04-2019, 01:00 PM
manson1972's Avatar
manson1972 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 12,057
Quote:
Originally Posted by septimus View Post
Lethal shootings are justified in many states if you're afraid of bodily harm.
And many of these gun nuts are cowards who seem constantly afraid.
It's surprising they ever get a murder conviction!
Of course they are constantly afraid. I have a family member who proudly told me "I have a gun within 3 feet of me no matter where I am in my house!"

I asked him "Holy crap, man, are you that afraid all the time?"

He didn't have an answer.

There are actual people who refuse to vacation anywhere they can't take their guns. Must suck to be that afraid all the time.
  #9062  
Old 10-04-2019, 01:11 PM
bobot's Avatar
bobot is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago-ish
Posts: 9,157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheesesteak View Post
...The doorbell ringer could've been the UPS guy or a Census taker, or Jane Wiedlin. ...
"That's just Jane Wiedlin ringin and runnin again. Don't answer it. AND DON"T SHOOT HER!"
  #9063  
Old 10-04-2019, 04:46 PM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 50,549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheesesteak View Post
You can't just go about gunning down people on your doorstep because you had an argument. Well, I guess in Florida you can.
It's called Stand Your Ground.
  #9064  
Old 10-04-2019, 04:51 PM
Muffin is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Great White North
Posts: 20,657
Stand your ground while your urine dribbles down your leg.
__________________
Hour after hour, day after day, we paddled and sang and slept under the hot sun on the northern ocean, wanting never to return.
  #9065  
Old 10-04-2019, 05:02 PM
davidm's Avatar
davidm is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Near Philadelphia PA, USA
Posts: 12,515
Like I've said before, the people who insist on being constantly armed are often the last people who should be.
__________________
Check out my t-shirt designs in Marketplace. https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...php?p=21131885
  #9066  
Old 10-04-2019, 06:26 PM
Monty's Avatar
Monty is online now
Straight Dope Science Advisory Board
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Beijing, China
Posts: 23,520
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muffin View Post
Stand your ground while your urine dribbles down your leg.

I think it's probably another substance. And I don't mean feces.

Last edited by Monty; 10-04-2019 at 06:28 PM.
  #9067  
Old 10-06-2019, 01:27 PM
Fear Itself is offline
Cecil's Inner Circle
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Flavortown
Posts: 35,989
Oklahoma woman apparently shot by dog
Quote:
In the 911 call, which oscillates, at times, from absurd to comical, Springer’s charge, driver Brent Parks, attempts to explain the emergency to a dispatcher.


"She’s bleeding pretty bad,” Parks, 79, can be heard saying on the released call. “A gun went off and got her in the leg!”

When the dispatcher asks how Springer was shot, Parks blurts out, “Well, it just went off. . . . We have a dog in here and it (inaudible) the gun.”

The incredulous emergency official can be heard asking, “The dog shot her?” to which Parks replied, “Yeah.”
  #9068  
Old 10-07-2019, 08:59 AM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 50,549
Yeah, that's the ticket. The dog did it.
  #9069  
Old 10-08-2019, 09:20 PM
Folacin is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North of the River
Posts: 3,678
So many options on where to post this, but this seems good:

North Dakota Trump supporter in pickup pulls gun on woman with a Warren bumper sticker. His passenger confirms it. Arrested. Charged with felonies.
  #9070  
Old 10-10-2019, 03:46 PM
Fear Itself is offline
Cecil's Inner Circle
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Flavortown
Posts: 35,989
A San Antonio man bought an AR-15 for his 14-year-old grandson, who then shot his 13-year-old friend in the head.

https://amp.ksat.com/news/bcso-makes...mpression=true
  #9071  
Old 10-12-2019, 10:41 AM
HeweyLogan's Avatar
HeweyLogan is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 610

A Kansas 13-year-old was charged with a felony for pointing a finger gun at her classmates


Channeling the brevity of Rick Kitchen...

https://www.businessinsider.com/girl...edium=referral
  #9072  
Old 10-12-2019, 10:45 AM
kayaker's Avatar
kayaker is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rural Western PA
Posts: 32,864
Was it specifically an assault finger?
  #9073  
Old 10-12-2019, 11:23 AM
HeweyLogan's Avatar
HeweyLogan is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 610
Probably. A scary black one.
  #9074  
Old 10-13-2019, 11:32 AM
k9bfriender is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 11,517
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeweyLogan View Post
Channeling the brevity of Rick Kitchen...

https://www.businessinsider.com/girl...edium=referral
That's definitely a problem that has been created by gun enthusiasts.

It was more than just pointing a "finger gun", it wasn't just while playing a game. There were threats of violence given by her towards other students.

In a sane world, we could do a home welfare check, make sure that the threats that she was making were not serious, and possibly remove any guns she may have easy access to to prevent her from carrying through.

In this world, you cannot take any steps to prevent their access to guns without actually using the criminal system. In order to make sure she can't bring a real gun to school and carry out the threat, you have to arrest her and charge her.

It would be far better to deal with such a situation more delicately and quietly, but, due to the stance taken by pro-gun extremists, those options are off the table.
  #9075  
Old 10-14-2019, 01:24 AM
Projammer's Avatar
Projammer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: SW Arkansas
Posts: 6,677
How to check a laser pointer on a gun.
  #9076  
Old 10-14-2019, 01:36 AM
Czarcasm's Avatar
Czarcasm is offline
Charter Member
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 62,612
Quote:
Originally Posted by Projammer View Post
One the one hand, he was a fucking idiot.
On the other hand there was a hole.
  #9077  
Old 10-14-2019, 07:30 AM
Folacin is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North of the River
Posts: 3,678
Quote:
Originally Posted by Projammer View Post
I like how his buddy was more concerned about the gun then his friend who got shot. Although preventing the gun from falling on the floor and firing again may have been a good thing.
  #9078  
Old 10-14-2019, 09:03 AM
septimus's Avatar
septimus is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Land of Smiles
Posts: 19,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeweyLogan View Post

A Kansas 13-year-old was charged with a felony for pointing a finger gun at her classmates
An interesting tidbit in the story — which may serve as a metaphor for the absurdity of American gun culture — is that under-age students at a neighboring school had been charged with misdemeanors for bringing guns to schools. I'll guess there's more legal nuance, but according to the reporter, those kids could not be charged with felonies because the guns were not misused. The kid who used her fingers instead of a real gun was charged with a felony.

(Should this be in the Positive Guns thread? Possession of guns, even though illegal, led to reduced charges compared with the wielder of a finger gun.)

Last edited by septimus; 10-14-2019 at 09:04 AM.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:19 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright © 2019 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017