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Old 10-10-2019, 04:32 AM
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Interesting that it doesn’t occur to you to make the same appeal to Republicans...
Sam knows that ship has sailed and fallen off the edge of the flat Earth.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:51 AM
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Interesting that it doesn’t occur to you to make the same appeal to Republicans...
With the state GOP parties in several states shutting down the primaries? Good luck with appealing to the better Republican angels.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:52 AM
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With the state GOP parties in several states shutting down the primaries? Good luck with appealing to the better Republican angels.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:03 AM
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Oh, I don’t know, William Weld might make a somewhat acceptable POTUS.

Hell, I’d take the Appalachian Trail Tango Fucker over what we got now.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:17 AM
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Oh, I don’t know, William Weld might make a somewhat acceptable POTUS.

Hell, I’d take the Appalachian Trail Tango Fucker over what we got now.
I'd be tempted to take President Snow: at least he was ethically consistent. Or, as The Minotaur's Song puts it:
Straight from the shoulder
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I know what's right and what's wrong
(He knows what's right and what's wrong)

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And I'll do what's wrong as long as I can
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:57 PM
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"From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll. Whoever their Pollster is, they suck. "
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:21 PM
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Okay. This is not 100% civilized and polite:

IOW "fora" is technically correct in a context of Latin, but laughably pretentious in a context of English.
Citing another message board poster, whose own citation doesn't support his claim? That's not civilized.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:51 PM
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First comment there:

"You suck, fuckface."

LOL
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Old 10-10-2019, 02:11 PM
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"From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll.
He must mean "100% in his favor".
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Old 10-10-2019, 02:24 PM
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So We The People are (finally!) turning against him, and his attitude is 'Oh well, I’m President!'?

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Old 10-10-2019, 04:43 PM
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Interesting that it doesn’t occur to you to make the same appeal to Republicans...
Huh? Trump is going to be the Republican nominee. I don't see a way around that, unless there is a brokered convention or something.

Of course I would like to see the Republicans put up someone else, but it isn't going to happen unless Trump is impeached. Maybe a credible 3rd party candidate will run.

As for who on the Democratic side I would consider better: Biden, Buttigieg, Tulsi Gabbard, maybe a couple of others. Certainly not Sanders and Warren - both of them have policy positions that come straight from crazy town, and which would wreck the economy.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:48 PM
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both of them have policy positions that come straight from crazy town, and which would wreck the economy.
Like what? Universal healthcare?
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:03 PM
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Like what? Universal healthcare?
That's just crazy talk. It's not possible for any country in the world to have UHC. Just can't be done. Also, Death Panels!
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:05 PM
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That's just crazy talk. It's not possible for any country in the world to have UHC.
Including the one Sam is posting from...never happen, right?
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:06 PM
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When looking for better angels it helps if you don't start your search in Hell.
I mean, all the devils *did* use to be angels ; and you gotta believe at least some of them, after aeons of listening to the same Satan self-righteous rant over and over again in between rounds of filling some dead guy's anus with stinging beetles, at least some of them must think to themselves "Is this it ? Was it really worth it ? Man, I kinda miss playing the harp. I had almost figured out that one-handed tapping arpeggio too..."
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:34 PM
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Like what? Universal healthcare?
National rent control, shutting down all fracking and offshore drilling on her first day in office, breaking up the big tech companies, national $15 minimum wage, green new deal, forgiving all student loans, free college for all, a wealth tax, universal child care for all, massive 'investment' in government housing, forcing big corporations to give 40% of their board seats to employee representatives, creating government-run drug companies, Oh, and lots and lots of new regulations in all areas of the economy.

Medicare-for-all will be a disaster, but it's one of the lesser of her crazy ideas. Breaking up Apple, Google, Amazon and facebook would be devastating to the economy of California and would be a gift to foreign tech companies like HTC and Huawei. The disruption to the internet would be massive, as almost everyone now uses Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure for their back-end cloud connections.

Banning fracking will instantly remove 67% of gas production and 43% of oil production in the U.S. Say goodbye to hundreds of billions in revenue, just as all those new expensive programs need it most. Fracking has driven down the cost of natural gas, leading to widespread use and resulting in the U.S. being the only country to meet the Paris climate change targets. Get rid of fracking, and the U.S. will have to import more gas, and burn more coal. Under her plan, short term carbon emissions would go up substantially as they did in Germany when they shut down nuclear and began buying energy from other, dirtier countries to make up the shortfall.

Also, Warren is against all nuclear power, so she and Sanders are the biggest threats to doing anything meaningful about climate change.

She's also a serious authoritarian. Her Consumer Finance Protection Agency was specifically set up (by her) to be unaccountable to congress.

If Warren actually did half of what she is promising to do, she'd do severe damage to the economy.

Her wealth tax will cause the biggest capital flight you've ever seen.

As for Bernie, he is Elizabeth Warren with a greater love for autocrats and formal socialism.

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Old 10-10-2019, 07:43 PM
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Got damn. You make Liz sound fucking awesome.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:44 PM
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The MAGA people are losing their shit too. Turning against FOX, not Trump. They're talking about switching to OANN and how FOX is in Paul Ryan's pocket and he's a RINO, a Democrat shill. It's stunning in its derangement.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:45 PM
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Got damn. You make Liz sound fucking awesome.
Seriously.
I was uncertain before but now she has my support.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:59 PM
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As for who on the Democratic side I would consider better: Biden, Buttigieg, Tulsi Gabbard, maybe a couple of others. Certainly not Sanders and Warren - both of them have policy positions that come straight from crazy town, and which would wreck the economy.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, Sam. They disagree with you. That doesn't make them crazy town. This sort of stupid equivocation led to a lot of Republicans equating Trump and Clinton, and look where that got us.

You really need to distinguish between rational people you disagree with, and irrational people.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:09 PM
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Her wealth tax will cause the biggest capital flight you've ever seen.
Good. Let the America-hating greedfucks see how well they do in a country like Somalia that has no such thing as a "common good". Lots of right-to-property legislation in Somalia, no?
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:30 AM
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Her wealth tax will cause the biggest capital flight you've ever seen.
Will that be like the profit flight where offshore tax havens are home to bazillions of USD?

Seriously, I'm not seeing anything in your description of her 'manifesto' Sam Stone to make me think that any of it has a downside.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:26 AM
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Her wealth tax will cause the biggest capital flight you've ever seen.
I've always found it odd how Republicans trip all over themselves to thank people who risk their lives to defend the country, but God forbid they expect the rich to give up some money.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:40 AM
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Before ACA passed, we had similar apocalyptic predictions about how it would tank the economy. Instead, it's survived, despite the best efforts of the ruling political power to get rid of it, and been part of the longest economic expansion in US history.
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Remember that talk of Obamacare forcing employers to cut back on workers’ hours and even “phase out full-time work”?

Didn’t happen. A thorough study by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation found that the law’s impact was, if anything, toward more full-time work.

Remember the talk about the “job-killing government takeover of health care”?

The U.S. economy has added 15.1 million private-sector jobs over the past 78 months.

Remember how “30 million people” were going to lose their employer-based health insurance and be thrown into the Obamacare exchanges?

The number of people insured by employers, about 150 million, has hardly budged.

The alarms about Obamacare adding trillions to deficits?

Deficits are down, and Medicare cost increases are below forecasts.

As for Obamacare driving up the cost of health care, premium increases in employer-based insurance were just 3 percent for 2016 — the latest in a string of historically low annual increases.
So when Sam Stone predicts falling skies over Warren's proposals, I'll just ask people to compare the success of conservative predictions about government programs to the success of the programs themselves.

It may be that one side is irrational here, I'll grant that. I disagree over which side that is.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:58 AM
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I've always found it odd how Republicans trip all over themselves to thank people who risk their lives to defend the country, but God forbid they expect the rich to give up some money.
You libtards know nothing about economics. The poor spend their money on food — with very low profit margins for Job Creators — or crack cocaine — imported from Latin America.

Sure the rich buy caviar from Belarus, superyachts from Italy, and import their whores from Asia and Eastern Europe, but it all trickles back to create American jobs. With greater prosperity, foreign countries can buy expensive weapons from good American companies like Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman. The imported hookers will spend oodles eating at American restaurants, or bribing ICE officials. And rich foreign tourists are now flocking to New York to see the Statue of Liberty before it's torn down.

This obsession to steal caviar at gunpoint from Job Creators just to feed hungry babies is confused Marxist thinking.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:13 AM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, Sam. They disagree with you. That doesn't make them crazy town. This sort of stupid equivocation led to a lot of Republicans equating Trump and Clinton, and look where that got us.

You really need to distinguish between rational people you disagree with, and irrational people.
I am strongly for Warren and Sanders progressive policies. But I fear Sam Stone isn't wrong about the likely market reaction. The wealthy class in America has no sense of loyalty or social responsibility to the society that has given them their extraordinary wealth.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:15 AM
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I am strongly for Warren and Sanders progressive policies. But I fear Sam Stone isn't wrong about the likely market reaction. The wealthy class in America has no sense of loyalty or social responsibility to the society that has given them their extraordinary wealth.
Perhaps Sam wasn't one of the people predicting a market meltdown in response to ACA, too.

Rich people don't sulk, taking their balls and going home. They don't John Galt, for the simple reason that they can't. They need use plebes to make money off of. They sulk, and then they maximize their profit under the new rules, just like always.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:59 AM
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Dotard in Chief retweeted a couple dozen stupid tweets in the last hour or so. My senile, 80 year old dad is exactly like him. He gets out his tablet and reposts (FB) every stupid item he sees (a lot) and that's the only thing he knows to do on his tablet. You can tell when the battery dies.

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Old 10-11-2019, 11:00 AM
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And rich foreign tourists are now flocking to New York to see the Statue of Liberty before it's torn down.
Actually, tourism to the US is down. The Spanish tourist industry and luxury shops are kind of very grateful to the Orange Alien but don't want to say it too loud in case he decides to hit our food exports to the US with more tariffs.

(We've surpassed the US in number of foreign tourists and now stand second only to France).
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:47 AM
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Good to know that libertarians are apoplectic about Warren's policies, therefore they must be sound.

Donald is fading, support for impeachment is growing, and the leakage into his ship has rendered it certain to sink. These next two months are going to get uglier by the day.
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Old 10-11-2019, 12:35 PM
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Actually, tourism to the US is down. The Spanish tourist industry and luxury shops are kind of very grateful to the Orange Alien but don't want to say it too loud in case he decides to hit our food exports to the US with more tariffs...
Yeah, we on the east coast of Amerikee are going to paying a lot more for your wine soon, ditto with France and Italy. It still won’t be as high as the grossly high intracontinental taxes we pay if we want to drink California, Oregon, or Washington wine.

I’ll have to weather out the rest of the Trump Administration with bourbon whiskey, which is produced within 500 miles of here.
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I’ll have to weather out the rest of the Trump Administration with bourbon whiskey, which is produced within 500 miles of here.
The Brooklyn distilleries are getting pretty near releasing their first true NY bourbon batch, if they haven't already.
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:59 PM
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The Brooklyn distilleries are getting pretty near releasing their first true NY bourbon batch, if they haven't already.
Yeah, you can get all kinds of locally-distilled booze around here now, but it’s just not the same if it doesn’t have that fine, clear, Kentucky hill stream water that the milk cows shat in.
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Yeah, you can get all kinds of locally-distilled booze around here now, but it’s just not the same if it doesn’t have that fine, clear, Kentucky hill stream water that the milk cows shat in.
These past few years have been rough, motherfucker. Don't you ruin bourbon for me.
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whores from Asia and Eastern Europe
I support your statement as a whole, but could we leave out the generalizing epithet of women as "whores"? I've personally known several "whores," both Filipina and Indonesian, and while there were opportunistic, shallow individuals among them, others were trying to escape abuse or provide for impoverished families.

(Sorry if I seem overly PC. It's just that your characterization of women who partner with foreign men for economic reasons is so at odds with the reality I know that I can't help myself. I firmly believe you meant no offense.)


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Old 10-11-2019, 08:33 PM
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I don't think he was talking exclusively about those who manage to get married for traditional reasons, even if they were included.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:03 PM
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Yeah, you can get all kinds of locally-distilled booze around here now, but it’s just not the same if it doesn’t have that fine, clear, Kentucky hill stream water that the milk cows shat in.
NYS has limestone caves and milk cows shitting in the water too. Hyper-local ftw!
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:32 PM
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Actually, tourism to the US is down. The Spanish tourist industry and luxury shops are kind of very grateful to the Orange Alien but don't want to say it too loud in case he decides to hit our food exports to the US with more tariffs.

(We've surpassed the US in number of foreign tourists and now stand second only to France).
Every syllable of my post was dripping with sarcasm directed against Trump and his Party. The tourists were there just "to see the Statue of Liberty before it's torn down."

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I support your statement as a whole, but could we leave out the generalizing epithet of women as "whores"?
I apologize. I should have used the term "sex-slaves." I pictured the video where billionaire Trump tells a joke to billionaire Jeffrey Epstein and has him in stitches.
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Old 10-12-2019, 08:15 AM
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Perhaps Sam wasn't one of the people predicting a market meltdown in response to ACA, too.

Rich people don't sulk, taking their balls and going home. They don't John Galt, for the simple reason that they can't. They need use plebes to make money off of. They sulk, and then they maximize their profit under the new rules, just like always.
True. "Right sizing" the workforce is often their first measure of profit maximization strategies. I'm not suggesting nothing can or should be done. I'm saying it will inevitably come at a cost to the middle and working class. It always does. Which goes back to higher taxes on the wealthy and large corporations. Now will that lead to a market melt down? If the economy is set for a "correction" every conservative will put the blame on the higher tax policies of the new Dem administration, not the 'sulky profit maximizing' measures of the wealthy corporations and investors.
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Except if the middle class is destroyed, who's going to buy all those auto/refrigerators/whatever the robots are producing? Or, in a service economy, who's going to brew up their espresso? The uber-rich are going to wind up like the proverbial New England village in winter where the economy is the same slowly circulating five dollar bill, only it'll be a $5-billion EFT.
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Except if the middle class is destroyed, who's going to buy all those auto/refrigerators/whatever the robots are producing? Or, in a service economy, who's going to brew up their espresso? The uber-rich are going to wind up like the proverbial New England village in winter where the economy is the same slowly circulating five dollar bill, only it'll be a $5-billion EFT.
That would involve them thinking more than one quarter ahead, and that's not going to happen.

Also, they are the smartest capitalists, the other (less smart) ones will keep people employed to buy their stuff.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:28 AM
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Except if the middle class is destroyed, who's going to buy all those auto/refrigerators/whatever the robots are producing? Or, in a service economy, who's going to brew up their espresso? The uber-rich are going to wind up like the proverbial New England village in winter where the economy is the same slowly circulating five dollar bill, only it'll be a $5-billion EFT.
<minor hijack> Which proverbial New England village is this? I've never heard this one. </mh>
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Except if the middle class is destroyed, who's going to buy all those auto/refrigerators/whatever the robots are producing?...
A few years after World War II, Edsel Ford was showing UAW Chief Walter Reuther around a brand new automobile factory filled with automated workers.

Ford: “How you going to make these robots pay their union dues, Walter?”
Reuther: “How are you going to get them to buy your cars?”
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I made the mistake of reading some of the MAGAts' comments on his tweets about let the Turks/Kurds fight and how he is using economic force to bring world peace- my god, people are posting supportive, "love you Mr president" fawning insanity.


Why did I do that?
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I support your statement as a whole, but could we leave out the generalizing epithet of women as "whores"? I've personally known several "whores," both Filipina and Indonesian, and while there were opportunistic, shallow individuals among them, others were trying to escape abuse or provide for impoverished families.

(Sorry if I seem overly PC. It's just that your characterization of women who partner with foreign men for economic reasons is so at odds with the reality I know that I can't help myself. I firmly believe you meant no offense.)
No not overly PC. And such situations need to combated at the root of the problem. With that said, think about Trumps 'Modeling agency', Epstein's party's, and who attended them, and... Melania Trump. She may just be a gold digger, or is there more there?

What, ever happened to all of Epstein's videos I wonder? After Epstein's Manhattan mansion was raided, it took 5 weeks before his island was raided. Five weeks. Hmmmm…
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Epstein installed concealed cameras in numerous places on his properties to allegedly record sexual activity with underage girls by prominent people for criminal purposes, such as blackmail.[77] Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's close companion, told a friend that Epstein's private island in the Virgin Islands was completely wired for video and the friend believed that Maxwell and Epstein were videotaping everyone on the island as an insurance policy.[78] It was also reported that Epstein's mansion in New York was wired extensively with a video surveillance system
Sort of odd that. No news? Or a complete cover up?
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A note about my comment above. A high class whore is still a whore. It's all about the negotiation.
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No not overly PC. And such situations need to combated at the root of the problem. With that said, think about Trumps 'Modeling agency', Epstein's party's, and who attended them, and... Melania Trump. She may just be a gold digger, or is there more there?

What, ever happened to all of Epstein's videos I wonder? After Epstein's Manhattan mansion was raided, it took 5 weeks before his island was raided. Five weeks. Hmmmm…
Sort of odd that. No news? Or a complete cover up?
The latter, of course. Epstein had a decent IQ, from most accounts; he would have made sure that heads of major corporations with an influence on news--not just the networks and newspapers themselves, but also the investors in same--would have been compromised. Politicians too, of course.

Whoever is holding onto that evidence (William Barr at a guess) has no incentive to give up the leverage it provides by releasing it publicly. And the major journalistic outfits will cooperate by making sure no enterprising reporters try to establish the facts of what happened to that evidence.
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<minor hijack> Which proverbial New England village is this? I've never heard this one. </mh>
I read the phrase some years ago and it stuck with me. My Google-fu comes up with nothing so maybe I should have left off 'proverbial.'
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<minor hijack> Which proverbial New England village is this? I've never heard this one. </mh>
I think it is possibly some version of this story:
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It’s a slow day in some little town……..
The sun is hot….the streets are deserted.
Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.

On this particular day a rich tourist from back west is driving thru town.
He stops at the motel and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
As soon as the man walks upstairs, the owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill at the feed store.

The guy at the Farmer’s Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her services on credit.
She, in a flash rushes to the motel and pays off her room bill with the motel owner.
The motel proprietor now places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100 bill, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money & leaves.

NOW,… no one produced anything…and no one earned anything…however the whole town is out of debt and is looking to the future with much optimism.

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