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Old 05-06-2019, 12:42 PM
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Watching it just now, yet again, Country House was slightly, very slightly affected — he had to drift out a little, maybe ¼ or ½ a lane.

So he was affected.

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I agree with RealityChuck. If there was a foul, there was a foul, and the horse is disqualified. Harsh, but it's what it has to be.
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Here's a photo that clinches it. Note that the black horse has one leg between Maximum Security's. That is extremely dangerous; if that leg had clipped one of Maximum Security's, the horse would have fallen. Note the other horse behind behind. It would have been an immediate chain reaction of horses falling. Probably one or two of them would have broken their legs. The jockey would have been thrown to the mud with the rear guard of the horses running right towards them.

It didn't happen, which is good. But it would have been a disaster if it had.

It doesn't matter if Country House would or would not have won it. It does matter that Maximum Security caused a dangerous and possibly fatal situation.

It's primarily a matter of safety.
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I didn't think it was egregious or intentional, but, unfortunately, by the book it was the right call.
When I was a teenage I was at a St. Louis Cardinals baseball game where a Cardinals batter got a base hit and moved the player on first over to third.

But the batted ball grazed the second-base umpire on its way to the outfield. The ball was dead because of umpire interference, the batter was awarded first, the runner told to go back to second.

I can't remember what happened next, or even who won the game, but I do know the batter was deprived of a base hit in his statistics, and a runner on third was told to go back to second. And it wasn't anyone's "fault."

But that was just an insignificant regular season game, right? Well, this happened in the 2013 World Series.
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I watched the race, but only the race. I didn't even know that Maximum Security was DQed until Monday.

Just wondering, did any of the announcers/analysts see the infraction in real time as it occurred?
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Maximum Security's Appeal of Kentucky Derby Disqualification Denied

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The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, in a letter from its general counsel, John L. Forgy, said the disqualification was not subject to appeal. It was not immediately clear whether West planned to take the next step and file a lawsuit over the ruling.
Historically, courts are loath to interfere in these matters. Although Tom Brady was treated unjustly by Goodell and initially was victorious in blocking his suspension, an Appeals Court reversed the decision.
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There were a couple instances this year in high school wrestlers going to court to overturn suspensions successfully. Case in NY and WI where kid was ejected and had to sit out the local qualifying tournament to go to state. I couldn't figure out the rationale that lead the NY judge to overrule the state mandated sitout of the next contest, but the WI judge basically said the official was wrong to eject the player in the first place, so the suspension need not be enforced.
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...Just wondering, did any of the announcers/analysts see the infraction in real time as it occurred?
Another poster observed that when they watched it, they thought the lead horse was veering quite widely. I had the same reaction. Not being a big fan of horse racing, I didn't know to what extent that sort of maneuvering to make it harder for others to pass was permitted.

I do not recall the real time announcers saying anything about it. If anything, maybe they said something like, "they come off the rail." But nothing really critical or suggesting in potential repercussions. Maybe they were counting on the apparent tradition that anything goes in the Derby...
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The fact that it involved minors in an educational setting may be the determining factor. Professional sports often involve collective bargaining agreements and basic consent given as part of the signing of contracts.
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The fact that it involved minors in an educational setting may be the determining factor. ...
Correct - the horses were only 3 yrs old!
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But it most certainly did affect the outcome of the race, for War of Will and Long Range Toddy.

What about them? If you owned one of those horses, you wouldn’t be happy.
I wouldn't have been happy but I don't know that I would have filed a protest; honestly. I raced motorcycles (flat-track) and did I feel cheated and/or abused sometimes? Sure did. But like the old saying goes that's why its called racing and not winning. I just figured there was always the next race. Yeah, I know - even though I was ranked as a professional there was not this kind of money on the line. But sometimes excrement occurs and you just deal with it. Sloppy tracks, someone with no chance foiling your big chance, its all just another day at the office.
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Mediaite has a story that says the Derby winner will not be in the next race.

Curiously, the story identifies the horse as “County House”. One letter can make a pretty big difference. Sounds like a prison.
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One letter can make a pretty big difference.
Yes. I've seen the Derby winner referred to as "Country Horse".
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Thought I'd post this here, as I suspected most folk interested in the Derby were here:

How does it work with a single trainer (Baffert) training multiple horses (3)? If I know how each horse has been doing in training, their tendencies/preferences/weaknesses, how do I not play one horse off the other?

They make a big deal about the trainer giving the jokey last minute instructions. Wouldn't Baffert be able to tell the rider of one horse which strategy would best beat the other 2 he trains? In fact, doesn't he owe it to his clients (the horses' owners) to give each horse the best chance to win?

Just strikes me as a potential conflict of interest.
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Apparently the snowflake derby riders can’t abide it. And I watched all the replays, sorry I don’t see how Country House was affected. Best horse lost. Ugh.
Unlike a human race, you have 1,200 pound horses running at 40 miles per hour. A veer like what happened has a very real chance of dead horses and injured jockies.
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Yes, but when touching in NASCAR gets out of hand and you wind up with a stack of cars and drivers in messed up pile the cars don't scream in agony and you don't have to shoot them for having a flat tire. I can't help but think that might have something to do with the rule.
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Looking at it purely objectively and not with any history of horse racing, the fact that the top favorite (4.5:1) was disqualified to permit a long shot (64:1) to win just shows how much instant communications has infiltrated society.
I'm not following your argument; the track cares not at all on the odds of a race winner. It merely collects the money from the bettors, skims a percentage off the top (giving half to the state) and distributes the rest to to those holding the winning ticket. If bunches of people were right in thinking a horse would win, the pool is divvied in bunches of ways and short odds result. If only a few people thought the horse would win, the exact same amount is divided into only a handful of piles and the ticket holders get a big payoff.

It's not like a casino bragging that some guy won a million bucks playing a slot machine so, maybe you can, too. Andy Beyer was right when he called handicapping the world's toughest way to make an easy living.
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Here's a photo that clinches it. Note that the black horse has one leg between Maximum Security's. That is extremely dangerous; if that leg had clipped one of Maximum Security's, the horse would have fallen. Note the other horse behind behind. It would have been an immediate chain reaction of horses falling. Probably one or two of them would have broken their legs. The jockey would have been thrown to the mud with the rear guard of the horses running right towards them.

It didn't happen, which is good. But it would have been a disaster if it had.
Here is similar situation at Del Mar where contact did occur, a horse was killed, and two jockies injured. Maybe you want to tell those snowflakes to suck it up, Lucas?
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