Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-09-2019, 06:20 AM
AK84 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16,045

Professional athlete competing alongside someone born after they made debut


A professional athlete who played with or against someone who was born after the older one started playing at the highest level*.

It has happebed a few times.
Gianluigi Buffon has played against Kylian Mbappe; who was born in Dec 1998, over a year after Buffon made his debut.

Pakistani cricketer Shoaib Malik made his debut in Oct '99, and in April 2018 was in the team when Shaheen Afridi (born April 2000) made his debut.

Venus Williams made her Grand Slam debut in May 1997, while Naomi Osaka was born in Oct 1997.

Any others?

* Identifying this is problematic for some sports. For our purposes, highest level will exclude junior or reserve/second team appearances, while for soccer, a first team club appearance is sufficient, no need for international caps. Cricket, Test, ODI, not first class. Tennis, first appearance in a singles GS main draw.

American sports would be an actual appearance in NFL, MLB, NBA game etc.
  #2  
Old 01-09-2019, 06:44 AM
Snarky_Kong is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,185
Tim Howard's career started in either 1997 or the Spring of 1998 depending on if you count USL teams. Christian Pulisic was born in September of 1998.
  #3  
Old 01-09-2019, 06:55 AM
Bullitt's Avatar
Bullitt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SF Giants 2010•2012•2014!
Posts: 25,214
Many fathers-sons pairings in MLB: Bobby and Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Sr and Jr, Felipe and Moises Alou, Jose Cruz Sr and Jr, Sandy and Roberto Alomar, and Cecil and Prince Fielder, to name only a few.
  #4  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:00 AM
Quartz's Avatar
Quartz is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Where haggis roam free
Posts: 30,990
This is fairly common in snooker where you have older players like Ronnie O'Sullivan playing against teenagers. Ray Reardon only retired (from snooker) at age 60 so may have played against players who could have been his grandchildren.
  #5  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:14 AM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Gordie Howe played on a line with his two sons for the Houston Aeros of the WHA in 1974. He played until 1980, ending his career with the Hartford Whalers. In his last season there was only one player on his team (Bobby Hull) who was born when Howe made his NHL debut.

ETA - there were 3 players on the 1979-80 Whalers born before Howe made his NHL debut in 1946.

Last edited by Telemark; 01-09-2019 at 07:16 AM.
  #6  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:43 AM
Snarky_Kong is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullitt View Post
Many fathers-sons pairings in MLB: Bobby and Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Sr and Jr, Felipe and Moises Alou, Jose Cruz Sr and Jr, Sandy and Roberto Alomar, and Cecil and Prince Fielder, to name only a few.
Bobby Bonds started his career in '68, Barry was born in '64.
Griffey Sr. started in '73, Jr. was born in '69.
Cecil Fielder started in '85 and Prince was born in '84.
  #7  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:54 AM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
I doublechecked, both of Gordie Howe's sons were born well after he started playing in the NHL.
  #8  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:08 AM
RickJay is offline
Charter Jays Fan
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Oakville, Canada
Posts: 41,069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullitt View Post
Many fathers-sons pairings in MLB: Bobby and Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Sr and Jr, Felipe and Moises Alou, Jose Cruz Sr and Jr, Sandy and Roberto Alomar, and Cecil and Prince Fielder, to name only a few.
Only the Griffeys meet the conditions of this thread, in that they actually played together or against one another. None of those other examples meet that criteria.

The only other example in baseball history of a father and son playing together are Tim Raines Sr. and Jr. I cannot think, to be honest, of any other examples of father and son playing against each other.
__________________
Providing useless posts since 1999!
  #9  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:31 AM
Chingon is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: the hypersphere
Posts: 475
Bartolo Colon.
  #10  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:37 AM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
In the 1980 All Star game Howe (b. 1928, age 52) played against Wayne Gretzky (b. 1961, age 19). Howe was 33 and had been playing in the NHL for 15 years when Gretzky was born.
  #11  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:54 AM
Dead Cat is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 3,996
I would say these are notable events, but probably relatively common (of the order of happening several times a year) in cricket and football. In both sports it is not unusual for players to make their debut at age 17/18, so it only requires another player to have maintained a career of that length, making them 35+. This is a pretty normal age for goalkeepers and cricketers.
  #12  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:58 AM
Bullitt's Avatar
Bullitt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SF Giants 2010•2012•2014!
Posts: 25,214
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJay View Post
Only the Griffeys meet the conditions of this thread, in that they actually played together or against one another. None of those other examples meet that criteria.

The only other example in baseball history of a father and son playing together are Tim Raines Sr. and Jr. I cannot think, to be honest, of any other examples of father and son playing against each other.
Ahh, thanks for that Rick.
  #13  
Old 01-09-2019, 09:30 AM
notfrommensa is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 11,844
Happens in Golf a lot. A LOT

Phil Mickelson is still a World Class Golfer, ranked #33 in the current OWGR. He won a World Golf Championship event last March. He will be 49 yrs old in June.

Players ranked higher than him than were born after his first win in 1991 include Spieth, Thomas, Schauffele, Rahm, DeChambeau, all in the Top 20 of the OWGR.
  #14  
Old 01-09-2019, 09:38 AM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Adam Vinatieri (b. 1972) of the Indianapolis Colts played his first year in the NFL in 1996, the year that 7 of his teammates were born.
  #15  
Old 01-09-2019, 09:47 AM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Vince Carter (b. 1977) of the Atlanta Hawks played his first year in the NBA in 1998, the year that two of his teammates were born.
  #16  
Old 01-09-2019, 09:55 AM
kenobi 65's Avatar
kenobi 65 is online now
Corellian Nerfherder
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Brookfield, IL
Posts: 14,599
George Blanda played in the NFL until age 48. His first year in the league was 1949, and his last was 1975.

In that final season, he was playing with a number of teammates who had been born after he had made his debut in '49 with the Bears, including his fellow specialist, punter Ray Guy, starting fullback Mark van Eeghen, tight end Dave Casper, and backup quarterback David Humm.
  #17  
Old 01-09-2019, 10:34 AM
Steve McQwark is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 233
Dirk Nowitzki started playing in the NBA in 1998. Luka Doncic was born in 1999 and they are teammates on the Dallas Mavericks this year.
  #18  
Old 01-09-2019, 10:34 AM
nearwildheaven is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,415
While this isn't specifically about a professional athlete, does anyone remember the 41-year-old gymnast who competed in the 2016 Olympics for Uzbekistan? She had a son who was older than some of her teammates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Chusovitina
  #19  
Old 01-09-2019, 12:57 PM
Oakminster is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Surefall Glade, Antonica
Posts: 19,033
It's common in pro wrestling--Johnny Valentine teamed with his son, Greg Valentine (though Greg was billed as Johnny's brother so as to kayfabe Johnny's age). Dusty Rhodes teamed with his son Dustin, Bill Watts was the booker when his son, Eric, worked for WCW, Nick Patrick wrestled as Assassin #3 teaming with his father, Jody Hamilton as Assassin #1, Jake Roberts and Sam Houston both worked under their father, Grizzly Smith in Mid-South, Brian Lawler worked with his dad Jerry Lawler, Fritz Von Erich teamed with various combinations of his sons, Tommy Gilbert teamed with his son Eddie, etc....

Last edited by Oakminster; 01-09-2019 at 12:58 PM.
  #20  
Old 01-09-2019, 01:42 PM
Snarky_Kong is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oakminster View Post
It's common in pro wrestling--Johnny Valentine teamed with his son, Greg Valentine (though Greg was billed as Johnny's brother so as to kayfabe Johnny's age). Dusty Rhodes teamed with his son Dustin, Bill Watts was the booker when his son, Eric, worked for WCW, Nick Patrick wrestled as Assassin #3 teaming with his father, Jody Hamilton as Assassin #1, Jake Roberts and Sam Houston both worked under their father, Grizzly Smith in Mid-South, Brian Lawler worked with his dad Jerry Lawler, Fritz Von Erich teamed with various combinations of his sons, Tommy Gilbert teamed with his son Eddie, etc....
The list of actors that work with people that were born after they started acting is extremely long.
  #21  
Old 01-09-2019, 02:02 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,172
I was going to say Sebastian Janikowski (Seahawks kicker) and Rasheem Green (defensive end on same team) but Seabass was drafted in 2000 in the first round and Green was born in 1997. Close but no cigar.
  #22  
Old 01-09-2019, 02:10 PM
Aspidistra is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 5,307
Martina Navratilova, whose first major win was the Czechosolovakian national championship in 1972 had her last major win in the 2003 Wimbledon mixed doubles. She was playing with partner Leander Paes (born 1973) against Andy Ram (born 1980) and Anastasia Rodinova (born 1982). So that's a three-fer!
__________________
It is easier to fall than to climb ... letting go for the fall brings a wonderful feeling of ease and power
- Katherine Kerr Daggerspell
  #23  
Old 01-09-2019, 02:31 PM
The Other Waldo Pepper is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 16,354
After winning Olympic gold in October of ‘68, George Foreman made his professional boxing debut in June of ‘69 at Madison Square Garden, and quickly went 32-0 before December of ‘71.

Foreman defended the heavyweight championship against a boxer who was born in November of ‘68, which doesn’t quite seem to count; but Foreman then went on to lose that championship in a fight against Shannon “The Cannon” Briggs, who was born in December of ‘71 like I was just saying.
  #24  
Old 01-09-2019, 02:46 PM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 49,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telemark View Post
Gordie Howe played on a line with his two sons for the Houston Aeros of the WHA in 1974.
As a Hartford Whaler, he also played with a teammate who had been named for him - Gordie Howe Roberts.
  #25  
Old 01-09-2019, 03:22 PM
The Other Waldo Pepper is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 16,354
Pete Rose was Rookie of the Year in ‘63, and was still playing baseball in ‘86: even playing in the same game as shortstop Barry Larkin, who was born in April of ‘64.

Larkin’s in the Hall of Fame and Rose ain’t, which is an argument for another time.
  #26  
Old 01-09-2019, 03:26 PM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves View Post
As a Hartford Whaler, he also played with a teammate who had been named for him - Gordie Howe Roberts.
That's just fantastic! Love it.
  #27  
Old 01-09-2019, 04:17 PM
Slow Moving Vehicle's Avatar
Slow Moving Vehicle is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 3,648
When I read the thread title, the first name that popped in my head was "Tom Brady". But his career began in 2000, and it looks like the youngest players on the Patriots are 23.
  #28  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:13 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,172
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slow Moving Vehicle View Post
When I read the thread title, the first name that popped in my head was "Tom Brady". But his career began in 2000, and it looks like the youngest players on the Patriots are 23.
Yeah he’s in the same boat as Seabass; Brady popped in my head for the same reason. I went with Seabass though because I knew Green was really young (he wasn’t even drinking age yet when drafted last year) and Green had significant playing time on the field this year so he would count. Unfortunately like I said the timing didn’t quite work.

I think Seabass might have played his last pro season but Brady should have a few more years, so who knows, Brady might be an example in 2022...?
  #29  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:54 PM
Kent Clark's Avatar
Kent Clark is offline
You mean he's STILL here?
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Posts: 25,715
When Stan Musial finished his career at age 42, there were more than two dozen MLB players who hadn't been born when he started. Henry Aaron had an even longer career.
  #30  
Old 01-09-2019, 07:55 PM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Phil Dawson played his first NFL game in Sept 1999. This year is starting QB was Josh Rosen, born in 1997. There are a few other AZ Cardinals born after Dawson's first NFL game. AZ is a pretty young team and Dawson started playing young.
  #31  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:01 PM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Kevin Garnett played his first NBA game in Oct 1995. In his last season in the league he had two teammates (Tyus Jones and Karl-Anthony Towns) that were born after that.
  #32  
Old 01-09-2019, 08:08 PM
The Other Waldo Pepper is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 16,354
Joe Smith Jr “rose to prominence in 2016 by scoring an upset knockout victory over Andrzej Fonfara, and later becoming the first boxer to score a stoppage victory over former undisputed middleweight world champion Bernard Hopkins, who retired after their fight.” Bernard Hopkins made his professional boxing debut in October of 1988; Smith was born in September of 1989.
  #33  
Old 01-09-2019, 11:46 PM
hogarth is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 7,281
The two sports I immediately thought of were golf (mentioned above) and...curling.

For instance, Glenn Howard started his career in 1985 and his son Scott (b. 1990) joined his team in 2015.

Last edited by hogarth; 01-09-2019 at 11:48 PM.
  #34  
Old 01-10-2019, 01:45 AM
China Guy is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 11,553
Not sure if you count Olympians as professionals or not. Regardless, there have been a half dozen pistol shooters that competed in 7 Olympics or about 28 years, so I'm sure that they competed against kids not yet born when they started.
  #35  
Old 01-10-2019, 05:28 AM
penultima thule is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by AK84 View Post
A professional athlete who played with or against someone who was born after the older one started playing at the highest level.
Brett Harvey was born in 1978 and made his debut in 1996 for North Melbourne Kangaroos.
He retired in 2016 after 21 seasons and 432 games.

6 of Harvey's 2016 North Melbourne team mates were born in 1996
(Declan Mountford, Mitchell Hibberd, Sam Durdin, Ed Vickers-Willis, Daniel Nielson, Ben McKay)
  #37  
Old 01-10-2019, 05:45 AM
penultima thule is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2,850
Dustin Fletcher was born in 1975 and made his debut in 1993 for Essendon.
He retired in 2015 after 23 seasons and 400 games

15 of Essendon's 2015 senior playing squad (48) were born after he made his debut.
  #38  
Old 01-10-2019, 07:54 AM
Bijou Drains is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 8,958
Jaromir Jagr played in the NHL until age 45. Last season he was in Calgary where 14 guys on the roster at some point who were born after his NHL debut in 1990.
  #39  
Old 01-10-2019, 07:56 AM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 49,272
Dale Earnhardt Jr. finished in second in the 2001 Daytona 500, moments after Dale Sr. was killed.
  #40  
Old 01-10-2019, 08:31 AM
steronz is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oh-hiya-Maude
Posts: 4,856
I spent way more time than I'd care to admit trying to find an example of this in Formula 1. The problem is that while there have been a lot of older drivers, they generally got started later in life and in the early days of the sport, so they didn't have long careers. At the same time, young people weren't generally getting recruited because it was still a rich man's game.

After the aero advancements in the 70s, older drivers dropped out and younger drivers came in but the longest careers have only been 19 years and there have only been a few teenage drivers.

The closest I can find is in 2012, the last year of Michael Schumacher's career when he was 43 years old. Schumacher made his F1 debut at the Belgian GP on 25 Aug 1991, so we'd be looking for anyone born after that date who drove with him in 2012. The closest are 3 drivers born in 1990, Sergio Perez (26 Jan), Charles Pic (15 Feb), and Jean-Eric Vergne (25 Apr), so we're off by more than a year.

However, if we extend the rules to reserve drivers who participated in "free practice" sessions we pick up 3 drivers born in 1991 -- Max Chilton (21 Apr), Esteban Gutierrez (5 Aug), and crucially, Alexander Rossi (25 Sep).

So in 2 races in 2012 (Spain and US), there was a driver (Alexander Rossi) who shared the track with someone who started in F1 before they were born.

Last edited by steronz; 01-10-2019 at 08:32 AM.
  #41  
Old 01-13-2019, 12:32 PM
The Other Waldo Pepper is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 16,354
Per wiki, Archie Moore “was an American professional boxer and the longest reigning World Light Heavyweight Champion of all time” and “is the only man to have faced both Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali.” The fight against Marciano doesn’t count, but Ali was born in the ‘40s and Moore turned pro in September of ‘35.

(Moore also fought Willie Pastrano, who was born in November of ‘35.)
  #42  
Old 01-13-2019, 05:19 PM
journeyman_southpaw is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 353
Nolan Ryan pitched until he was 46, and in his last season (1993) about one-third of all the players who appeared in the majors that year weren't born yet when he made his debut in September 1966. That includes Robin Ventura (b. 1967), meaning that Ryan had a famous fight with someone who wasn't born yet when he first pitched in the majors.
  #43  
Old 01-13-2019, 06:14 PM
Maestroh is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 9
On September 27, 1987, Atlanta Braves pitcher Phil Niekro threw his final major league game at age 48. Knucksie debuted on April 15, 1964.

Jeff Blauser (11/8/65) was his shortstop in that game.

He had other teammates who were not in that game who were born after he began pitching. These include:

Kevin Coffman (1/19/65)
Tom Glavine (3/25/66)
Pete Smith (2/27/66)
  #44  
Old 01-14-2019, 04:33 AM
Quartz's Avatar
Quartz is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Where haggis roam free
Posts: 30,990
Quote:
Originally Posted by steronz View Post
I spent way more time than I'd care to admit trying to find an example of this in Formula 1.
Since careers last longer, you might be better off looking at the British Touring Cars Championship. I think they've had a couple of father / son combos there, but I'm not sure.

BTW if you look at the British Truck Racing Association, you'll see that Wayne and Joanne Eason - husband and wife - are competitors.
  #45  
Old 01-15-2019, 11:36 AM
Teuton's Avatar
Teuton is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Plymouth, UK
Posts: 1,602
Sachin Tendulkar played his first Test match in Nov, 1989.

In his final test against the West Indies, Kieran Powell of the West Indies was born the year after his debut. On his own team, Kumar Singh is a similar age.

A lot of the Indian team were only born the year or two before Tendulkar's debut, including the current captain, Virat Kohli.
  #46  
Old 01-15-2019, 11:47 AM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 49,272
Not quite the same, but in Sunday's AFC championship game, one of the starting quarterbacks will be the same age as the other's mother.
  #47  
Old 01-15-2019, 12:02 PM
Teuton's Avatar
Teuton is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Plymouth, UK
Posts: 1,602
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teuton View Post
Sachin Tendulkar played his first Test match in Nov, 1989.
And, from the other end, Tendulkar played that game against Imran Khan, whose debut in Jun 1971 was 2 years before Tendulkar was born.

Last edited by Teuton; 01-15-2019 at 12:04 PM.
  #48  
Old 01-15-2019, 12:05 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,172
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves View Post
Not quite the same, but in Sunday's AFC championship game, one of the starting quarterbacks will be the same age as the other's mother.
Ha, Brady is Mahomes’s daddy.
  #49  
Old 01-15-2019, 06:49 PM
Dr. Girlfriend's Avatar
Dr. Girlfriend is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: between chair & keyboard
Posts: 2,233
I haven't done any research into it but Jamie Moyer pitched in the major leagues until he was almost 50. I'm sure he had a teammate or two along the way that were born after he made his debut...I'd be very surprised if he didn't.
  #50  
Old 01-15-2019, 09:25 PM
Telemark's Avatar
Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Yet again, Titletown
Posts: 22,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Girlfriend View Post
I haven't done any research into it but Jamie Moyer pitched in the major leagues until he was almost 50. I'm sure he had a teammate or two along the way that were born after he made his debut...I'd be very surprised if he didn't.
Moyer's first year in the majors was 1986, his final year was 2012 although he only appeared in 10 games. But he had 13 teammates that year born in 1986 or later.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright © 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017