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Old 07-25-2018, 09:33 AM
Really Not All That Bright Really Not All That Bright is offline
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Projected cuts:
Brandon Coleman
Jacquizz Rodgers
Tion Green
Paxton Lynch
Matt Prater

That will leave me with three draft picks. I'm looking to move up in the first round, so if you want any of the following (or my second round pick) make me an offer:
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Kareem Hunt 10 268.70 0 0 0 0 272 1327 8 63 53 455 3 0 0 0 1 1
DeAndre Hopkins  7 261.80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 174 96 1378 13 0 0 0 1 1
Matt Ryan  5 256.05 4095 20 12 24 32 143 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 3
Mark Ingram  5 249.00 0 0 0 0 230 1124 12 71 58 416 0 0 0 0 3 3
Tyreek Hill  10 215.86 0 0 1 0 17 59 0 105 75 1183 7 204 1 0 0 0
Jameis Winston 1 212.20 3504 19 11 33 33 135 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 15 7
Marvin Jones Jr.  7 194.60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 107 61 1101 9 0 0 0 0 0
Brandin Cooks  8 188.70 0 0 0 0 9 40 0 114 65 1082 7 0 0 1 0 0
Jermaine Kearse 11 142.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 102 65 810 5 0 0 0 1 0
Ameer Abdullah  7 118.06 0 0 0 0 165 552 4 35 25 162 1 179 0 0 2 1
Benjamin Watson 5 105.70 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 79 61 522 4 0 0 0 1 0
Austin Seferian-Jenkins  8 76.70 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 50 357 3 0 0 0 1 1
Chris Godwin 1 75.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 55 34 525 1 0 0 0 0 0
Doug Martin  10 71.50 0 0 0 0 138 406 3 18 9 84 0 0 0 1 1 1
Brandon Coleman 5 61.90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 37 23 364 3 0 0 0 2 2
D'Onta Foreman 7 53.48 0 0 0 0 78 327 2 8 6 83 0 12 0 0 2 1
Jacquizz Rodgers  1 52.50 0 0 0 0 64 244 1 11 9 74 0 255 0 0 0 0
Jordan Reed  5 45.60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 35 27 211 2 0 0 0 1 0
Nick Foles 10 32.65 537 5 2 5 11 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 2
Tion Green 7 30.90 0 0 0 0 42 165 2 2 2 14 0 0 0 0 0 0
Willie Snead IV  10 12.92 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16 8 92 0 18 0 0 0 1
Paxton Lynch  5 12.25 295 2 3 9 5 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
Spencer Ware 
And by any of the following, I mean any except Hunt, Hopkins, Hill or Cooks.

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Old 07-30-2018, 08:12 PM
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Any updates? It’s hard to believe the Hall of Fame game comes up later this week.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:55 PM
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Sorry, had a busy week, I'll get busier on getting things all sorted.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:09 PM
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Hey guys I'm Charles. Looks like I've played with most of you in the other leagues through the years. I'm excited to take over, I've wanted in for a while.

Somebody point me to a primer on the rules and etc please.

I read above the idea of pooling the two teams and drafting and that's fine, or I'm happy to take the better team too.
As to other rule changes I clearly can't have much of an opinion do you guys work it out.

Looking forward to getting up to speed.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:12 PM
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Overly Sentimental has been with us for like 10 years now in various SDMB leagues and I know he's reliable and he's wanted to get in this league for a while. He started with us way back at the beginning of the auction league in 2007 and has played in several SDMB leagues since then. He didn't come from the boards originally but IIRC he was the roommate of someone who was in that league who volunteered to fill in for an empty slot, but since then has played with us a lot. I know he's a reliable player and hopefully since this league is more chatty than the rest, he'll be more active on the boards with us.

I like the idea of having the new players drafting from the combined player pools of the absent players, so I think we'll end up going that way. The ABBAABBAA format seems like a pretty decent solution. We'll make sure that's cool with whoever grabs the last slot, which I'll be working on.
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Old 08-02-2018, 02:06 AM
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Welcome, Overly Sentimental. Glad to have you aboard! I've seen you around, and you're a welcome addition to the league. I'm sure we'll talk more as I try to finally achieve my goal of trading my entire roster in one season.
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Old 08-02-2018, 03:13 AM
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My advice for new owners:

Running backs might be a trap. They're few and far between, so they always go early in the 1st round, often as reaches. Sometimes extreme reaches. That leaves the premiere receivers to fall to late in the 1st round. I suspect this is part of the reason teams (like mine) have difficulty crawling out of the gutter. We keep reaching for running backs early in the first thanks to parity draft order, while the good teams get the star receivers in the bottom of the 1st and just get better.

I think it even makes sense beyond good or bad luck in that this league carries over for long stretches of time. If you successfully draft a stud running back you might get 4 years out of him, while someone drafting a stud receiver could get twice that. So the guy drafting the receiver gets more overall value for years to come than the guy getting the running back, even if both end up being total studs.

Also, kickers are about as worthless here as any other league, but defenses have real value. You want at least 2 defenses for bye weeks and bad matchups, and with 12 teams that's 24 defenses gone, leaving only a half dozen bottom of the barrel choices in the free agent pool. And unlike kickers, the scoring system here means that good defenses can put up monster numbers.

In the end, I think quarterback is the single most important position in this league. I'd say QB > WR > RB > DEF > TE > K. But keep in mind that I suck horribly, so take all of my analysis with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Also, welcome Chuck. I remember when you first joined the SDMB to fill a roster spot in a league I was part of, though I can't for the life of me remember what league that was. Possibly the (now defunct?) auction league. (EDIT: Er, sorry, welcome Charles. I remember you going by Chuck back then.)

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Old 08-02-2018, 08:55 AM
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Welcome, OS!

I'll disagree with Ellis to an extent. QBs are important because there are only so many and people tend to roster three or four. In a 12-team league, that means every single startable QB is going to be rostered, plus virtually every early-round rookie sitting behind an aging veteran. However, passing TDs only count for four points and QB scoring is also depressed by the 0.5 PPR format.

So you don't need a great QB to win the league; I had the highest scoring team last year streaming Matt Ryan and Jameis Winston, and picked up Nick Foles off waivers in December. But if you don't have at least a decent QB, you are sunk. I had three lost years from 2010-2012 where Matt Schaub was my #1 QB.

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Old 08-04-2018, 05:07 PM
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The large roster size allows owners to roster 3 or 4 QBs, making this very different from a standard 12 team league. Usually in 12 team leagues, you’d roster one stud QB or two middle of the middle road guys and play the matchup. The waiver wire for QBs can be quite slim pickings in this league should you have injuries and bye weeks.
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Old 08-08-2018, 08:16 PM
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The first week of preseason starts tomorrow. Do we have the second new owner and is there a plan for the redraft of the two teams yet? Not trying to be pushy, but it’s easier to look at trades once we know who’s on each roster.
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:31 PM
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Just heard back from someone actually. I invited Ol'Gaffer - he's been part of the all-pro league for years now, he's pretty active, and he regularly wins that league, he's a very good fantasy player, and he's been around the boards for almost two decades.

Sorry to anyone else who was interested in joining - I prioritized a steady history of fantasy participation on the board for new invites since this league thrives on stability in the long term.

Are both new owners (Ol'Gaffer and Overly Sentimental) cool with the idea of splitting up the two absent owner rosters and holding an in-thread draft to form your team? I guess I should go ahead and start this next year's thread.
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:49 PM
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Gentlemen.

I'm Jay, looking forward to mixing it up with y'all. Let's get it going. The in thread draft works for me, although I'm a bit limited during west coast work hours and I'm travelling tomorrow night (Thursday).

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Old 08-08-2018, 10:50 PM
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Here's what the combined draft pool would be for the new owners. Rosters are 25 spots, Starting rosters are QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, WR/TE flex, W/R flex, K, DEF and then 15 bench slots. We do have 2 IR slots to use in the season, which means rosters can occasionally exceed 25 players, but at the start of the new year you'll have to cut it down to 25. You can cut as many players as you want in time for the rookie/free agent draft. You get as many draft picks as you have empty roster spots up to 25. So if you have 25 players, cut 3 players, you'll have a first, second, and third round pick in the draft.

QB
Cam Newton
DeShaun Watson
Jared Goff
Matthew Stafford
Tyrod Taylor

WR
Odell Beckham Jr
Antonio Brown
Randall Cobb
Emmanuel Sanders
Michael Crabtree
DeVante Parker
Paul Richardson
DaVante Adams
Robby Anderson
Kelvin Benjamin
Corey Coleman
Sammy Watkins
Josh Doctson
Tyrell Williams
Allen Hurns
Taywan Taylor
John Ross
Malcolm Mitchell

RB
LeSean McCoy
Alvin Kamara
Duke Johnson Jr
CJ Anderson
Theo Riddick
Johnathan Stewart
CJ Prosise
Giovanni Bernard
Rex Burkhead
Rod Smith
Javorious Allen
Malcolm Brown


TE
Greg Olsen
Zach Ertz
Coby Fleener
Ed Dickson
AJ Derby
Chares Clay

K
Stephen Gostkowski
Giorgio Tavecchio
Kai Forbath

DEF
Baltimore
Carolina
New England
Tampa Bay
Jacksonville
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:31 AM
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So if we do a combined draft for the new owners, how will you decide which owner gets which draft slot in the upcoming league draft? If it is supposed to be based on last year's results, both neither owner has last year's team, what's the best solution?
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:35 AM
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Good question. We're talking about the #9 and #12 picks, so neither are premium picks, which makes things less consequential.

If we were to follow an ABBAABBAA format, do you think A or B is more valuable (In this case, OBJ is likely the #1 pick)? Whichever one we decide is more valuable could get the #12 pick and the other one the #9. It's not perfect but I think it's a workable enough solution for a rare event that doesn't really hurt anyone.

I'm open to ideas. I do think the draft, even if it's flawed, is a good idea to give people a chance to give their teams identities. I know you didn't get that chance and had to sculpt your team the hard way. Do you object to the idea?

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Old 08-09-2018, 11:14 AM
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We could snake just those two to lessen the impact:

Team A gets pick 9 in odd rounds (1, 3, 5...) and pick 12 in even rounds (2, 4, 6)
Team B gets the opposite.

Or make it super simple: Flip a coin.

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Old 08-09-2018, 12:34 PM
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Make the draft picks part of what you draft along with the players from the past rosters. So you can choose to take OBJ, AB, or the #9 pick, etc.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:36 PM
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Complicated, but clever.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:55 PM
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That could be workable. We'd just calculate the potential picks up for grabs (9, 12, 18, 24, etc) and then allow them to be draftable. Whenever someone's roster hits 25, they're done. That way they'd be making a choice much like we do predraft in terms of how many players and how many draft picks to have to add up to 25.

They'd have to cut players anyway - without that idea, they'd draft their 25 players, and then cut some for draft picks. This bypasses that by allowing them to make their selection of players and draft picks all at once, but giving them more flexibility in creating their team.

I like it.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:03 PM
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Make the draft picks part of what you draft along with the players from the past rosters. So you can choose to take OBJ, AB, or the #9 pick, etc.
Love it.

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They'd have to cut players anyway - without that idea, they'd draft their 25 players, and then cut some for draft picks. This bypasses that by allowing them to make their selection of players and draft picks all at once, but giving them more flexibility in creating their team.
It's moot now, but I assumed that they'd just stop drafting at 20 players (or whenever they wanted to stop) and would get the rest of their slots as draft picks.


To the two new guys, typically people draft around 4-5 players each year, though 3 isn't unusual. (2 would be unusual but not unheard of.) Most drafts go 6-7 rounds, but those last couple rounds end up with only 1 or 2 people participating.

Drafting the draft picks will obviously go in order, and I envision it turning into a bit of a game of chicken. The first one to take a draft pick will likely start a run on draft picks.

When selecting draft picks, let's keep it simple with "#.#" notation: 1.9, 1.12, 2.9, 2.12, etc...
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:28 AM
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Got a busy weekend but after that I'll try to re-read and condense rules discussion down into a few votable rule proposals. Feel free to make the case for any of them.
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:59 PM
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I guess I'll spend hours watching preseason games so I can draft yet another rookie RB bust!
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Old 08-13-2018, 03:20 AM
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I love the idea of the mini draft for the two new owners, but as a point of consideration, do we actually need it? It isn't as if one of the two teams is awful. One team won the title last year, and the other is a perennial contender and 2x champion in this league. It's not like anyone would need to be bribed to take a team with Odell and Antonio Brown.

Even the idea of including the draft picks into the mini draft is an awesome idea, but what do we do about Varlos' trade with SenorBeef from last year for this year's picks? Does that go into the pool to be drafted? That seems really weird. So we would have to figure out the new owner draft format, which takes time. Then handle mini-complications that come up (such as last year's trade), which takes time. And then the actual mini draft is going to take a lot of time. Last year our draft started on 08/25/2018 and we barely, barely made it. We had those crappy supplemental picks happening up to the first game of the season. And we still haven't gone over rules proposals.

Speaking of proposals, I casually mentioned that we didn't need the rule about balancing picks. Ellis Dee did a good job convincing me otherwise. I don't know if it ever elevated to an actual proposal, but if it was considered as such, I'd like to withdraw it.

I think we're close to ready for a new thread for the upcoming year. I'll officially list out my proposals regarding rule changes in a bit.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:11 AM
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I'm cool with however you guys want to do it, whether assigning or splitting up the two teams. Admittedly, I would be less than devastated having to take over a league champion or perennial contender. In either case, the pool of players is deep and impressive so however we make it work is fine with me.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:56 AM
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Regarding proposals:

PROPOSAL:
I propose that we codify the distinct draft phases, as outlined in my earlier post (post #581, linked here). I re-read through all the previous years draft threads again, and this would eliminate probably 75% of the confusing nonsense regarding the draft. And excepting the withdrawn proposal above, no rules would really be changed. We would just be structuring things in a clear manner and actually getting the system down in writing. The draft became a bit of a mess because it evolved organically from year to year, without the rules ever being compiled together in an easy reference. It was interesting to see it handled in "real time" between seasons 1 and 2.

PROPOSAL:
I also propose that we scrap the supplemental draft entirely. It caused a ton of confusion last year and ended up having something like 10 picks. If someone goes on IR after being kept, or drafted, you have to make the choice to use FAAB before the season starts to get a replacement, or risk missing out on someone when waivers clear before week 1. I think that's an interesting choice!

PROPOSAL:
I suggest we reduce the time limit to make a pick to 8 hours, with each team getting a few (?) allowances per draft to stretch this to 12 hours if they are negotiating a trade or waiting for offers. This league always struck me as the elite fantasy league on these boards, so high participation should be expected. Life happens, everyone knows that, but every year we come up against week one while drafting, which is problematic. Someone once suggested we do a quasi live draft for the league with everyone getting on Skype or Google Hangouts or something. I don't know if that is possible, but it would be fun. Not super adamant about this proposal, to be clear.

I think we came to a resolution against contracting teams (obviously), and against reducing roster sizes (since the person who suggested it is no longer in the league). Stringer also suggested changing how the draft order works. I think the way the draft order works is pretty simple, but it was never really outlined anywhere. I think I had to go back four years to specifically find where in the thread it was actually proposed and implemented. A year afterwards there was still confusion and misinformation about it. So instead of changing it, how about we include a brief summary at the start of each new year's thread referencing:

•Picks 1-4 go to the four worst teams by record
•Picks 5-8 go to the consolation bowl participants, with the winner getting pick 5 and moving backwards by order of finish
•Picks 9-12 go to the playoff teams in reverse order of finish

I would vote no to change how this works since it has been working fine for several years.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:08 AM
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*** 2017 Trade Log ***

#1 (draft)
Jules Andre gets:
1.01 [RB Leonard Fournette, Jax]
2.01 [RB Marlon Mack, Ind]

Dalej42 gets:
RB Todd Gurley, LAR
6.03 [K Wil Lutz, NO]
_______________________________________________

#2 (draft)
SenorBeef gets:
1.05 [WR Corey Davis, Ten]
3.05 [QB DeShone Kizer, Cle]

Really Not All That Bright gets:
1.06 [RB Kareem Hunt, KC]
2.06 [RB D'Onta Foreman, Hou]
_______________________________________________

#3 (draft)
SenorBeef gets:
RB Isaiah Crowell, Cle

Ellis Dee gets:
2.04 [TE David Njoku, Cle]
_______________________________________________

#4 (draft)
SenorBeef gets:
2.05 [RB Samaje Perine, Was]
2018 3rd round pick

Varlos gets:
2.12 [QB Deshaun Watson, Hou]
2018 2nd round pick
_______________________________________________

#5
Jules Andre gets:
WR Amari Cooper, Oak

Hamlet gets:
RB Marlon Mack, Ind
_______________________________________________

#6
Jules Andre gets:
WR Doug Baldwin, Sea
RB CJ Spiller, KC

Dalej42 gets:
WR Jordan Matthews, Buf
RB Andre Ellington, Ari
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#7
Really Not All That Bright gets:
QB Jameis Winston, TB
2018 3rd round pick

Justin Bailey gets:
QB Andy Dalton, Cin
2018 1st round pick
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:50 AM
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2017 Miscellaneous

Last Year (2016)

Total Points Scored: 18,333.07 (-752.72 from last year)
Average Points/Team: 1.527.76 (-62.72)
Average Team/Week: 109.13 (-4.48)

Scoring was significantly down from last year, and I imagine at the lowest level in the history of the league. I suspect this had to do not with a lack of offense in the NFL, but the loss of so many elite players to injury throughout the season.

Top Scores of 2017 (150+)
RetroVertigo (w3): 177.10
RNATB (w7): 169.77
Varlos (w8): 159.10
RNATB (w4): 158.70
Jules Andre (w9): 150.07

This shows just how far scoring has fallen. Five games of 150 points is the fewest in six years. And I only say six years because I didn't bother to go back beyond 2012.

2012: 14
2013: 18
2014: 16
2015: 13
2016: 7
2017: 5

Highest Losing Scores
Jules Andre (w6): 145.70
Hamlet (w14): 140.05
Omniscient (w12): 135.42
SenorBeef (w14): 130.20
Hamlet (w11): 127.95

Welp.

All-Time Win/Loss Though Nine Years:
Stringer: 83-43 (.659)
SenorBeef: 79-47 (.627)
Petey: 73-53 (.579)
RNATB: 70-56 (.556)
Justin_Bailey: 69-57 (.548)
VarlosZ: 69-57 (.548)
Hamlet: 61-65 (.484)
furt/Jules Andre: 59-67 (.468)
Omni/Hermits: 54-72 (.429)
Ellis Dee: 52-74 (.413)
RetroVertigo: 46-80 (.365)
dalej42: 41-85 (.325)

Unlike last year, there was a slight change in the all-time rankings. By finishing with the best regular-season record in the league, RNATB moved into the top four. I look forward to the end of this season when I go 16-0 and have enough games to justify my own entry, separate from furt.

Highest All-Time Single-Season Point Totals: (1800+)
Hamlet '09: 1935.30 (138.23/g)
Stringer '11: 1921.40
Varlos '15: 1885.04
Justin '13: 1876.51
Stringer '12: 1859.98
Stringer '14: 1857.14
Beef '13: 1852.78
Beef '14: 1846.39
Stringer '10: 1837.62
Beef '11: 1829.03
Petey '10: 1823.43
RNATB '09: 1817.75
Petey '14: 1815.86 (129.70/g)
RNATB '17: 1811.58 (129.40/g)

Unlike 2016, where scoring was higher throughout the league but more evenly spread out, someone finally broke the threshold to join this elite list. Following the suppressed-scoring of recent seasons, it was the lowest qualifying season.

Highest All-Time Single-Game Point Totals: (175+)
Hamlet (w7 '09) - 202.60
RNATB (w15 '17) - 186.44
Hamlet (w14 '09) - 185.60
Varlos (w9 '12) - 181.14
Varlos (w9 '15) - 178.45
Hamlet (w15 '13) - 178.32
Petey (w3 '11) - 177.95
Petey (w11 '10) - 177.50
RetroVertigo (w3 '17) - 177.10
Petey (w12 '10) - 176.75
Omniscient (w4 '13) - 176.35
Stringer (w5 '12) - 175.93
SenorBeef (w1 '13) - 175.85

Two teams made it into the highest scores list for the first time since 2015. RNATB did it in the playoffs (against me, of course), and RetroVertigo whooped up on dalej42 on the way to a disappointing season.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:04 PM
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#3 (draft)
SenorBeef gets:
RB Isaiah Crowell, Cle

Ellis Dee gets:
2.04 [TE David Njoku, Cle]
At this point I almost need to change my name to the Cleveland Fanboys, what with two of my key players (Jarvis Landry and Carlos Hyde) going to the Browns this offseason. Luckily I managed to re-acquire Travis Kelce last year so I won't be playing Njoku that often, but there will definitely be at least a week or two I'll be starting three Cleveland skill positions. Gah!


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PROPOSAL:
I suggest we reduce the time limit to make a pick to 8 hours, with each team getting a few (?) allowances per draft to stretch this to 12 hours if they are negotiating a trade or waiting for offers. This league always struck me as the elite fantasy league on these boards, so high participation should be expected. Life happens, everyone knows that, but every year we come up against week one while drafting, which is problematic. Someone once suggested we do a quasi live draft for the league with everyone getting on Skype or Google Hangouts or something. I don't know if that is possible, but it would be fun. Not super adamant about this proposal, to be clear.
The problem we had last year was some people were seriously slacking off when it was their pick. Not to call anyone out by name, but let's take a look back and see who the guilty parties were, and call them out by name for public shaming:

Pick 1.04 happened 8/28 7:36pm
Pick 1.05 happened the next morning around 8:30am, 13 hours total.
This pick was actually a trade. Overnight trade, only 13 hours? Not a problem at all. Even better, the trade involved consecutive picks, both of which were posted in the same post. So only 6.5 hours per pick, overnight. Well done.

Pick 2.12 happened 8/31 10:40pm (Almost 2 full rounds in 3 days)
Pick 3.01 happened 12:27pm the following afternoon.
That's 14 hours, but it's overnight, and dale worked the overnight shift that night. Not great, but not the end of the world.

Pick 3.05 happened 9/01 10:01pm
Pick 3.06 happened 9/02 9:00am
11 hours isn't terrible for an overnight, but it's kind of a bummer when primetime gets wasted like that. We could have had 2-3 more picks by 1am easily. However, Justin planned ahead by sending pre-ranks to the commisioner, so I give him a pass on this delay. (Note that the commissioner was VarlosZ, who was in the process of going MIA, which he has been ever since.)

Pick 3.10 happened 9/02 7:51pm
Pick 3.11 happened 9/03 5:13pm
Now we're getting into trouble. Over 21 hours to make a pick this far into September is bad. Retro was traveling, offline for 3 days, but had sent his prerankings to the now officially-MIA VarlosZ. So Retro is off the hook for this one.

Pick 4.01 happened 9/03 6:44pm
Pick 4.03 happened 9/04 12:33pm
And now all hell has broken loose in the draft. Pick 4.02 was VarlosZ, who had been offline for 36 hours. We waited a reasonable amount of time, but after 18 hours on the clock we skipped him, with Jules making a pick.


No more analysis is needed, I believe. Much or all of the delays in last year's draft can be attributable to the commissioner going MIA in the middle of the draft, which means the conscientiously submitted preranking lists were wasted effort, plus the extra delay of waiting for an MIA owner's pick which never happened.

I'm confident we won't have those issues this year. (Right, Beef?)
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Thanks Jules for that info. I won't be home until later. I'll get the new thread posted tomorrow and get things sorted.

I don't think the draft will be a problem. We do get slow parts but we'll finish on time.
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Do we want to set a date for Roster Cuts?
Say Thursday 1159pm est?

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I guess we might need the two new Owners to do their draft first, so nevermind.
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That could be workable. We'd just calculate the potential picks up for grabs (9, 12, 18, 24, etc) and then allow them to be draftable.
That seems too complicated. Just have the #9 draft pick slots and the #12 draft pick slots as one draftable entity each. So whoever chooses a draft pick in lieu of a player first gets all the draft slots associated with the #9 pick, and the other person gets all the slots associated with the #12 pick.
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*** 2017 Trade Log ***

[URL="https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20443835&postcount=63"]
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#2 (draft)
SenorBeef gets:
1.05 [WR Corey Davis, Ten]
3.05 [QB DeShone Kizer, Cle]

Really Not All That Bright gets:
1.06 [RB Kareem Hunt, KC]
2.06 [RB D'Onta Foreman, Hou]
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[that went well!]
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#7
Really Not All That Bright gets:
QB Jameis Winston, TB
2018 3rd round pick

Justin Bailey gets:
QB Andy Dalton, Cin
2018 1st round pick
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Highest All-Time Single-Game Point Totals: (175+)
Hamlet (w7 '09) - 202.60
RNATB (w15 '17) - 186.44
Hamlet (w14 '09) - 185.60
Varlos (w9 '12) - 181.14
Varlos (w9 '15) - 178.45
Hamlet (w15 '13) - 178.32
Petey (w3 '11) - 177.95
Petey (w11 '10) - 177.50
RetroVertigo (w3 '17) - 177.10
Petey (w12 '10) - 176.75
Omniscient (w4 '13) - 176.35
Stringer (w5 '12) - 175.93
SenorBeef (w1 '13) - 175.85

Two teams made it into the highest scores list for the first time since 2015. RNATB did it in the playoffs (against me, of course), and RetroVertigo whooped up on dalej42 on the way to a disappointing season.
Huh. Had no idea that 186 was an all-time number. I thought we'd had a few 200+ games.

I wonder what the most dominant season we've had was points-wise.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:11 PM
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That seems too complicated. Just have the #9 draft pick slots and the #12 draft pick slots as one draftable entity each. So whoever chooses a draft pick in lieu of a player first gets all the draft slots associated with the #9 pick, and the other person gets all the slots associated with the #12 pick.
I like this, good thinking.

Last year we started the draft 8/28, and the season started 10 days later on 9/7. It was a late start, and we had multiple long delays, so I'm much less worried about running out of time than I was.


Proposed schedule:

Aug 14-21: New owner draft
Aug 21-24: Keeper declaration
Aug 25-Sep 5: Draft
Sep 6: NFL kickoff

EDIT: The all-important 3rd week of preseason should wrap up Friday the 24th or Saturday the 25th.

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That seems too complicated. Just have the #9 draft pick slots and the #12 draft pick slots as one draftable entity each.
I personally like having every pick up for grabs. It has the following advantages:

It adds more flexibility and strategy options in terms of how to invest the special draft picks into regular draft picks. Someone could decide to go heavy or light on new draft picks, which makes the options at every special draft pick more interesting. As an example, someone could choose to have two first round picks at the cost of giving up valuable players to the other drafter.

It essentially eliminates the cut process for those teams. They're choosing their ratio of players and draft picks based on how they pick them in the draft, rather than having to draft players (in the special draft) and then cut down for more draft picks.

On the downside, using the ABBAABBAA format, the first person to grab a draft pick could suddenly grab both first round picks, which might end up being irritating to the other player. Not sure if this is something that should just be considered part of the strategy or not.

I'm not married to the idea but I think it'll make a more interesting draft. Anyone else have any opinions? I guess we should get the ball rolling on the special new team draft soon, although I suspect it won't take that long since if the two owners are around it can go pretty quick.
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I love the idea of the mini draft for the two new owners, but as a point of consideration, do we actually need it? It isn't as if one of the two teams is awful. One team won the title last year, and the other is a perennial contender and 2x champion in this league. It's not like anyone would need to be bribed to take a team with Odell and Antonio Brown.
No one would be getting shafted by taking either of those teams, and I wasn't proposing it as a parity mechanism. It's just a unique opportunity (first time we've replaced two people) to allow people more control over the team they start with. Even though they're working with a limited draft pool, they have more control to get their guys and form a team that they can feel like they crafted by choice to some degree rather than simply inheriting someone's roster. A sense of ownership of your team is important to dynasty and I see in this a chance to increase that factor.

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Even the idea of including the draft picks into the mini draft is an awesome idea, but what do we do about Varlos' trade with SenorBeef from last year for this year's picks?
Yeah, we'd include that. It's slightly weird but not really a problem - so Varlos' pick bundle will be 2 second rounders and no third rounder, which isn't complicated. Perhaps slightly weird if we allow each draft pick to be drafted in the special draft, but it would've been available from the picks Varlos owns, so it makes sense I think.

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Speaking of proposals, I casually mentioned that we didn't need the rule about balancing picks. Ellis Dee did a good job convincing me otherwise. I don't know if it ever elevated to an actual proposal, but if it was considered as such, I'd like to withdraw it.
Sure, I think the balanced pick thing works for us. The only time it gets complicated is if an owner ends up with multiple "and their last round pick" type trades.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:27 PM
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I propose that we codify the distinct draft phases, as outlined in my earlier post (post #581, linked here).
Put me behind this proposal as well. I hate the "last pick" nonsense and having a clear set of draft picks laid out like this would solve all of that.

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I also propose that we scrap the supplemental draft entirely.
I also agree with this. The supplemental draft doesn't serve much purpose, especially with the caliber of players being drafted. So why have it?
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:08 PM
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Although it may not net you Sequin, the #2 pick (which I own according to yahoo) is for sale.
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And I do think Saquon should officially, and not just autocorrect, change his name to Sequin Barkley.
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Old 08-15-2018, 05:25 AM
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I personally like having every pick up for grabs. It has the following advantages:
I don't, because it doesn't play nice with ABBAABBAABB format. It essentially guarantees that someone will start with two first round picks and someone else will start with none, and that's not great. I didn't realize this until you pointed it out, but it's a real problem.

RNATB's suggestion of drafting the draft position (9 or 12) is much better.

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It essentially eliminates the cut process for those teams. They're choosing their ratio of players and draft picks based on how they pick them in the draft, rather than having to draft players (in the special draft) and then cut down for more draft picks.
I don't understand why you still think this. There is no cut process for the new owners; they just stop drafting at 20 players or whenever they want, and the rest of their slots are their draft picks.

They don't have to stop at the same time, either. At 19 Charles can say I'm out, resulting in 6 picks in the draft, and Gaffer can draft 3 more players, stopping at 22 and getting 3 picks in the draft. Totally fine and workable. (And clearly obvious...)

The idea of drafting all 25 then immediately cutting 4-5 of them would never have even occurred to me. Obviously they just stop drafting and they're done; the rest of their slots are draft picks.

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Yeah, we'd include that. It's slightly weird but not really a problem - so Varlos' pick bundle will be 2 second rounders and no third rounder, which isn't complicated. Perhaps slightly weird if we allow each draft pick to be drafted in the special draft, but it would've been available from the picks Varlos owns, so it makes sense I think.
I would object if it didn't favor a new owner, but it does so sure. If they had to trade their 2nd to you for your 3rd, though, I would object. Note that it doesn't apply until after the new owner draft. Once that's all done, whoever selected the 12th picks trades their 3rd to you for your 2nd and we're done.

This is the primary reason I was so strongly against trading future draft picks: Replacement owners taking over and having to pay for trades from the previous year.
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And I do think Saquon should officially, and not just autocorrect, change his name to Sequin Barkley.
Why stop there? He can be Sequin Sparkly. Also, I'm interested in moving up in the first round of the draft.
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Sorry on the delay on the new thread and finalizing things - I've had to be away from a computer most of the last week and it's not practical to do from my phone. Should be able to do it later tonight.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:54 AM
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Do Charles or I, based on the inherited teams previous negotiations, owe draft picks to any of the other owners during this year's draft?
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:15 AM
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Varlos' picks - the set that starts at 1.12 - gained my 2.6 pick this year in exchange for their 3.12 picks this year because of a trade last year. So that's a significant upgrade. That set of picks includes 1.12, 2.06, 2.12, (no third round pick), 4.12, 5.12, etc.

Heard back from yahoo about the commissioner issue:

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Thank you for contacting Yahoo Sports. This is Mark from Buffalo, and I would be happy to help you with this.

After looking into your account, I understand your concern. Unfortunately, we wouldn't be able to appoint you as the new commissioner. The only way you would be able to be assigned commissioner, would be through the commissioner himself. If you can't get ahold of the commissioner, then unfortunately, you would have to create a new league. I do apologize for any inconveniences this has caused you and the league!
I don't know what limitations I have as co-comissioner rather than commissioner, but we can probably continue to use the league without starting in a new one. Although I don't know what happens when I boot Varlos, which I haven't done yet for ease of record keeping/roster management until we do the new owner draft. I'll do my best to work within the existing league as co-comissioner.
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:47 AM
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Alright, I'll get the new thread posted today and start the new owner draft.

Overly Sentimental and Ol'Gaffer: If we use an ABBAABBAABB format, so that the power of the #1 pick is offset by the other person getting the #2 and #3 picks, do you prefer A (1, 4, 5, 8, 9) picks or B (2, 3, 6, 7, 10 11) picks going into the draft? If you both have different preferences, then you get them. If you want the same or don't care, I'll just flip a coin and assign them.

Or, alternately, if you guys can make time to post at least a few times a day, we don't even need to double up the picks, we can simply assign a straight up 1 pick at a time draft. With high attendance we could conclude the draft in a day or two, so maybe we don't even need to do the doubling up thing. The more I think about it, the more we've got time to simply do a full one one pick at a time draft. We've got at least a week until roster cut downs, it should be pretty easy for two engaged people to crank out this draft quickly.

If we do the latter, can anyone think of compensation to the person who has the slightly worse draft at the #2 pick? I would say we give him the better draft picks, but with Varlos having an extra second round pick (but later picks in every round) I actually think they're already fairly even.
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Alright, annoying news. Varlos made me co-comissioner last year (and I wonder if he did that knowing he might disappear since that's the first year he did it, and we never disscussed it), which as far as I could tell gave me full commissioner access. But it also appears to not have renewed with the league this year - I can't go to the comission settings menu or see any mention of co-commissioner status anywhere. Which means unfortunately we're going to have to start a new league to regain control. Once that's all set up, it should work fine, but we'll lose access to our league history on yahoo. Of course I suppose we can leave the original league open and occupied (but possibly inactive) so that we can still look through the history if we want. Otherwise I'll create a new league and after the new owner draft or possibly after the cut date I'll enter in all of the keeper information.

No reason we can't get the new owner draft rolling today, all of the league management stuff is mostly going to be background hassle I'll deal with. Sorry for the inconvenience but I don't see any alternatives.
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So I created a new league, "SDMB-Dynasty League", and invited everyone. Eventually everything should be identical except for the two new owners. Most of the league business we have to conduct is in the thread (new owner draft, cut deadline, actual draft) and so we'll continue doing those here. I'll post the new league thread today and get the new owner draft started. Please don't quit the old dynasty league yet - I don't know if people leaving will screw up the way it lists rosters and such. Eventually the new league should match the old league. Sorry for the hassle, but it was unavoidable since we cannot gain the commissioner position of the old league. I will try to leave the old league open (possibly in a dormant state if I can figure that out) so it can be browsed for historical records.
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Year 10 thread.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:58 PM
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Or, alternately, if you guys can make time to post at least a few times a day, we don't even need to double up the picks, we can simply assign a straight up 1 pick at a time draft.
The main reason for the ABBAABBAABB... format isn't to speed it up; that's just a side effect. The primary reason is for parity.

With an ABABABAB... draft, the person who gets 2 of the first 3 picks ALSO gets the #1 pick. By contrast, an ABBAABBAABB... draft gives one person the #1 overall, and the other guy gets 2 of the first 3 to even it out.
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