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We are not allowed to discuss why someone would think so.
No, you're not allowed to thread-shit. There's a difference, believe it or not.
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If you're not interested in discussing why gun news is positive in a thread about Positive Gun News, it hardly means that anyone else is thread-shitting.

But, if it's only about posting anecdotes from some source somewhere, for whatever reason that may be, then no wonder it's in the Mundane and Pointless forum, instead of one where they and the reasons for judging them Positive or not can be subjected to any sort of scrutiny.
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Man threatens three sheriff's deputies with a hammer. Since he was white, they keep their guns holstered and one of them subdues him by hucking cans of baked beans at him. No shots fired.
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That link clearly belongs in the "Positive Can of Baked Beans News of the Day" thread.
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In other news, Jack in the Box shooter feared for his safety, says he shot in self defense

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Garris said Nolan approached him acting aggressively and wielding a large hunting knife. Nolan was with another man, said Garris, who added that he did not know either individual. Garris said he warned the men several times before firing.
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Nolan has a criminal record in Oregon dating to 1999, including numerous felony convictions for drugs, theft and assault. He was arrested in 2015 in Bend after challenging three police officers to kill him while he wielded a large knife. He reportedly began cutting his wrists and neck as he ran away.
DGU with no deaths. Bringing a knife to a gunfight typically goes poorly for the knife wielder, and in this case it certainly seems that the attacker wasn't acting rationally.
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Man threatens three sheriff's deputies with a hammer. Since he was white, they keep their guns holstered and one of them subdues him by hucking cans of baked beans at him. No shots fired.
In similar news, a man stops a woman from stabbing his wife by squirting ketchup on the attacker
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In similar news, a man stops a woman from stabbing his wife by squirting ketchup on the attacker
Apparently a food fight; there was also a bowl of sugar involved.
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“Police said the woman then placed the gun in the man’s face and told him to leave,” Fox 13 reported.
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While it's a topic for another thread, is why people have to be persuaded to report assaults. While there may be a rare good reason, I can't think of any that might qualify.

Also, this is the WaPo, so they have their obligatory bilgewater at the end about how rarely guns are used for defense in spite of the CDC study finding otherwise.
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This story actually IS positive, since she didn't actually kill the kid. Good for her.
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r another thread, is why people have to be persuaded to report assaults. While there may be a rare good reason, I can't think of any that might qualify.
Are you saying she did the right thing by not calling the cops? If so, please expand upon that thought.
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In other news, Ocala Police: Son shot mom's ex-boyfriend who broke into their home
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They say the woman's adult son shot the suspect as he ran toward his younger siblings' bedroom. They say the wounded suspect jumped out of a second-story window and officers found him a few blocks away. He was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.

Police have deemed it a justifiable shooting.
DGU with no deaths. The guy tried to get in at first, and when he returned the resident was ready to repel him. Even after getting shot and jumping out of a 2nd story window the person did not expire. Shot placement is critical.
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DGU with no deaths. The guy tried to get in at first, and when he returned the resident was ready to repel him. Even after getting shot and jumping out of a 2nd story window the person did not expire. Shot placement is critical.
In all seriousness, when you post comments like this, you seem almost disappointed that the guy didn't die. Am I reading it wrong?
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Are you saying she did the right thing by not calling the cops? If so, please expand upon that thought.
Absolutely not. I was expressing dismay that she didn't immediately report it and that she might not have ever done so without having been persuaded.

And further disappointment that there are far too many victims who also don't report attacks.
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Thanks. Just making sure - it wasn't quite clear.

It does bring up the point about ... some gun owners justifying their decisions by claiming the police can't get there in time. It might be easy to go on to think they're just useless and there's no point calling them afterward, either.
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Also, this is the WaPo, so they have their obligatory bilgewater at the end about how rarely guns are used for defense in spite of the CDC study finding otherwise.
The "bilgewater" is a factual cite of a Harvard study, not merely opinion.
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Self-victimization surveys are one way of looking at crime, but they're probably not the most complete, and probably bias towards underreporting.
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In all seriousness, when you post comments like this, you seem almost disappointed that the guy didn't die. Am I reading it wrong?
It's an example to show that even after being shot, attackers can still present a threat. If a person is able to run, and jump out of a 2nd story window, they can still be a threat. To ensure a threat is stopped, shot placement is critical, as is practice and discipline. It's more like a PSA.

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The clerk pulled a handgun and shot the robber in the leg. He was later found bleeding outside another gas station.
DGU with no deaths. It doesn't say whether the robber was armed, but I'd say he picked the wrong place to rob.

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It's an example to show that even after being shot, attackers can still present a threat. If a person is able to run, and jump out of a 2nd story window, they can still be a threat. To ensure a threat is stopped, shot placement is critical, as is practice and discipline. It's more like a PSA.
Again, in a serious question, you make it sound like the only way to stop a threat is to make sure they are dead. Is that incorrect?
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Again, in a serious question, you make it sound like the only way to stop a threat is to make sure they are dead. Is that incorrect?
My understanding is that LEOs are trained to fire at the center of a target to neutralize the threat. This technique is highly likely to kill the target, even though death per se is not the objective. There is no such thing as, "Well, I'll blow his trigger finger off, that will stop the threat."
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Hill put the cash register in the man's truck bed and pulled out a knife, cutting the man on the hands and leg, the arrest report said.

According to the report, the man was able to grab his pistol from his truck and pointed it at Hill, who then ran away toward Starbucks.

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According to the police report, she was in fear for her life, so she got out of her car to get her Ruger pistol out of her trunk.

Hill got out of the car and came toward her, officials said. She said she pointed her pistol at him and he ran away, according to officials.
Tries to hijack two vehicles. Both drivers were armed.
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Tries to hijack two vehicles. Both drivers were armed.
Christopher Raymond Hill: "Is there anybody in this town who does not have a gun?!?"
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The carjacker apparently.
Positive news indeed.
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Man shoots alleged robbers outside DeKalb shopping center, police say

A developing story, as they say, but as of this hour one that would go on the positive side of the ledger:
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Geez, you get mugged coming out of a grocery store. WTH?

Glad the victim was able to defend himself and his wife.
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A developing story, as they say, but as of this hour one that would go on the positive side of the ledger:
It came out positive for the crime victims but with four armed people "exchanging gunfire" in a grocery store parking lot, there are a lot of negative ways this could have turned out. In this case the crime victims were lucky but this anecdote is not an argument that you should always shoot your way out of a robbery.
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It came out positive for the crime victims but with four armed people "exchanging gunfire" in a grocery store parking lot, there are a lot of negative ways this could have turned out. In this case the crime victims were lucky but this anecdote is not an argument that you should always shoot your way out of a robbery.
There are negative ways for it to come out if the victims hadn't defended themselves, too.
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From other stories on the link, Atlanta seems to be quite crime ridden.
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Armed bystanders shoot carjacker.
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Police said the incident began when officers responded to a report of an erractic driver in Tumwater, about 30 miles southwest of Tacoma, the Times reported.
...While police were en route, a carjacking was reportedly taking place at a nearby intersection, the newspaper reported, adding that the teenager was injured at that location.



Police followed the stolen vehicle to the parking lot of a Walmart Supercenter store, where the carjacking suspect exited the vehicle and tried to carjack a second vehicle, according to the Times.

That's when two armed civilians confronted the suspect and at least one of them fired, the Times reported.
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The police were already there and some vigilante yahoos jumped on the opportunity? How is that positive, pray tell?
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The police were already there and some vigilante yahoos jumped on the opportunity? How is that positive, pray tell?
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It wasn't some "vigilante yahoo", it was the owner of the car being carjacked. You don't think the criminals would have continued to try to elude the police, likely driving in a way that would have been a danger to all around? Do you know that the owner of the car knew the police were on the carjacker's tail?
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Finally, 30 guns were seized at another home believed linked to an associate of Fernandez who hasnít returned to the home.

Fernandez was booked on suspicion of being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition and illegally possessing an assault rifle and large-capacity magazines.
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From the Washington Post: A 25-year-old New Zealand man had been communicating over the Internet with a 14-year-old girl from Virginia, although the girl was reportedly trying to break off communications with him. The man, Troy George Skinner, flew to the United States and showed up at the girl's house; he had bought a pocket knife, and also had pepper spray and duct tape. When Skinner tried to break down down a door, the mother warned him she had a gun; when he succeeded in breaking a glass door, the mother shot him twice.

Skinner is expected to survive and is facing charges of "breaking and entering with a deadly weapon, with intent to commit a serious felony".
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From Time magazine: A woman reportedly shot and seriously wounded a man after he tried to steal her SUV, with her two children inside it.
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The age of the downloadable gun formally begins: Defense Distributed
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Really more of a first amendment victory, but since there isn't a first amendment thread and this is about guns I'll put this here.
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Which part of that are you calling positive?
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Really more of a first amendment victory, but since there isn't a first amendment thread and this is about guns I'll put this here.
I thought this was the more significant and potentially better news of the settlement:
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I thought this was the more significant and potentially better news of the settlement:
"sporting rifles such as the popular AR-15"
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Following him out to the parking lot and shooting him is a bit much, but dear God man, he was stealing beer!
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Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy.

Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.

I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he's facing into, "He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn't listen and he was trying to kill me!" But no, he told the truth, and now he's looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won't take care of their chronic violent felons.

Fuck thieves. You'll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU.

Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again.
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Following him out to the parking lot and shooting him is a bit much, but dear God man, he was stealing beer!
Not just beer, Natural Ice. He stole Natural Ice. PALATR.
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Fuck thieves. You'll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU.

Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again.
Ah the "death penalty for any crime" approach. It's the "when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" thing, only it's "when you have a gun, every problem looks like a target".
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Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy.

Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.

I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he's facing into, "He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn't listen and he was trying to kill me!" But no, he told the truth, and now he's looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won't take care of their chronic violent felons.

Fuck thieves. You'll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU.

Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again.
So, not only do you condone killing a person over $36 worth of beer, but you want the shooter to lie about it so they don't get in trouble?
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Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy.

Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.

I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he's facing into, "He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn't listen and he was trying to kill me!" But no, he told the truth, and now he's looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won't take care of their chronic violent felons.

Fuck thieves. You'll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU.

Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again.
Your advice is that he should have lied to the police to cover up a murder?

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Of course, on review, I note that the owner was shooting at a car that was driving away. That's dangerous to bystanders as well.

Would you advocate that had he had better aim and killed the guy while he was driving, which caused an accident and killed other people, that those people had it coming too, for driving near a shoplifter?

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Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.
He was not preventing a crime. He was attempting to take revenge on a crime, using deadly force on an unarmed man posing no threat to human safety. I get the anger but this amounts to vigilante justice. You can't go around shooting people because you're pissed off. We have, you know, a legal system to deal with that. You are also projecting a profile onto Defoe that is not at all evident from the article. There is no indication in the article that Defoe was a chronic violent felon. Robbery and drug possession are not violent crimes. Domestic battery is, but the article does not say he was a chronic offender. It also used the word "charged" and not "convicted" and not "felon." BTW a lawyer with any integrity will not advise a client to lie.

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You're mistaken. The violent offender was arrested.
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Why did you highlight this quote? What in it do you find interesting? Whatever it may be, it's not apparent to me.
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