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Old 06-14-2018, 08:26 AM
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National review says Scott Pruitt should quit at EPA

Amazed he has lasted this long. He is way worse than Price at HHS.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...should-resign/

Wonder how many others will officially call for his head. His replacement will push the same ideas so it does not matter much if he goes.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:37 AM
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Doesn't matter. The Donald Cult will cheer his every move if he stays in his job, and will just as vigorously cheer if Donald tells him it's time to go. Since the Republican Party has joined the cult, they will not act on him but rather put his fate in the hands of the Dear Leader.
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To be fair, he's done wonders for conservation efforts of endangered sharks, and incidentally also been a great boon for the head-mounted friiggin' laser beams industry.
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There comes a point at which someone becomes an unnecessary, lingering distraction. Pruitt might be getting to that point. But that doesn't change the fact that this administration is rife with corruption and will probably replace Pruitt with someone just as bad.
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There is almost an argument to be made that if he is spending his time being a corrupt knucklehead, that is less time he is spending causing death and destruction by raping a pillaging the environment.

Almost.
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There comes a point at which someone becomes an unnecessary, lingering distraction. Pruitt might be getting to that point. But that doesn't change the fact that this administration is rife with corruption and will probably replace Pruitt with someone just as bad.
They are just going to keep his coal lobbyist deputy running the show, and having approved him once the senate is likely to approve him again if the administration ever gets around to that step.
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I hate DeVos more, but Pruitt is amazing. Out of curiosity, who was the last cabinet member as obviously corrupt as Pruitt?
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There comes a point at which someone becomes an unnecessary, lingering distraction. Pruitt might be getting to that point. But that doesn't change the fact that this administration is rife with corruption and will probably replace Pruitt with someone just as bad.
Yes, the one good thing about Trump and his Cabinet is their utter incompetence. Can you imagine how much more horrible it would be if we had an Administration as evil as this one, but also smart?

The sheer venality of Pruitt et al would turn even right-wingers against the present GOP ... if they had the gumption to crawl outside their bubble and read about him.

I hope to hear what the Board's Republicans think of Pruitt. Is "Too venal even for National Review" now a badge of honor?
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There comes a point at which someone becomes an unnecessary, lingering distraction. Pruitt might be getting to that point. But that doesn't change the fact that this administration is rife with corruption and will probably replace Pruitt with someone just as bad.
Yes, but most administrations don't want distractions from their other activities.
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I hate DeVos more, but Pruitt is amazing. Out of curiosity, who was the last cabinet member as obviously corrupt as Pruitt?
The first answer that came to mind was Albert B. Fall (Harding's Secretary of the Interior, notorious for the Teapot Dome scandal), but on second thought a full investigation of all the dirty dealings that went on beneath Pruitt's personal Cone of Silence would probably put Fall out of the running.

The next answer might be Simon Cameron, who Lincoln once said would steal anything but a red-hot stove, but when challenged corrected himself on that point.
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Who cares what the never-Trumper National Review has to say?

The big news is that Laura Ingraham says Pruitt has to go. That may actually carry some weight.
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Was an entertaining article in today's paper attributing his behavior to his being so (relatively) poor (net worth of $400k) in a cabinet full of billionaires and 100-millionaires. Sad that he is getting grief for his scams, rather than his horrendous policies.
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Pruitt resigned today, per tweet from the President:
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I have accepted the resignation of Scott Pruitt as the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. Within the Agency Scott has done an outstanding job, and I will always be thankful to him for this.
(I posted this jokingly in the McCain resignation thread but retroactively thought it deserved a proper mention)
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Are there any purported reasons for this? Any word as to who his replacement will be?
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:23 PM
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Any word as to who his replacement will be?
I'm sure whoever it is will be equally qualified.
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Can we get that lady from the restaurant to talk to trump and Pence?
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Are there any purported reasons for this? Any word as to who his replacement will be?
According to Pruitt (via Fox News):
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In his resignation letter to Trump, Pruitt said: "It is extremely difficult for me to cease serving you in this role first because I count it a blessing to be serving you in any capacity, but also, because of the transformative work that is occurring.

"However, the unrelenting attacks on me personally [and] my family, are unprecedented and have taken a sizable toll on all of us," Pruitt added.
Who could have guessed that unprecedented corruption leads to unprecedented attacks?

2nd in Command Andrew Wheeler is in charge of the EPA for now. He is a former coal lobbyist so don't expect any changes.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:58 PM
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Keep Scott Pruitt moist

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Do not ask, “If what?” Drive! We must find the lotion. Scott Pruitt must be kept moist.

It is not that Scott Pruitt is beginning to assume a new and monstrous shape. It is of course nothing like that.

Scott Pruitt is trying to keep the Earth warm. As it becomes warmer, he will need more ointment and another mattress. In fact, he needs the mattress now. It is a very particular mattress. It could accommodate an enormous exoskeleton made entirely of cartilage. Scott Pruitt is certainly not terraforming the Earth to be warmer and stormier and filling the air with smog.

On an entirely different topic, Scott Pruitt must have a secure door that responds only to his touch.

The rectangular bottle in which the lotion is kept is dangerously low. And if Scott Pruitt does not have sufficient moisturizer —
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:11 PM
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Yes, the one good thing about Trump and his Cabinet is their utter incompetence. Can you imagine how much more horrible it would be if we had an Administration as evil as this one, but also smart?
Unfortunately, this appears to be what has happened. Andrew Wheeler is as equally pro-deregulation and anti-science as Pruitt, but without the corruption and incompetence.
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Do you all think Pruitt actually offered his resignation or was he essentially fired by Trump? He seems too self-interested for the former (plus I'm hoping for the latter).
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:57 PM
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Somebody make sure the National Review is publishing the names of other Trump administration officials who should resign, eh.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:15 PM
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Do you all think Pruitt actually offered his resignation or was he essentially fired by Trump?
I'm guessing her got cut loose. Every day was a new story about him or another former employee going on record about how Pruitt did this or that. Today it was about Pruitt doctoring his scheduling record (and firing someone for questioning it) which is, you know, kind of illegal.
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While this would ordinarily be a Friday news dump, today is basically a Friday as many people took Thursday and Friday off after the 4th. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s more resignations, such as Kelley, tomorrow
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The first answer that came to mind was Albert B. Fall (Harding's Secretary of the Interior, notorious for the Teapot Dome scandal), but on second thought a full investigation of all the dirty dealings that went on beneath Pruitt's personal Cone of Silence would probably put Fall out of the running.
In terms of calculating Corruption Quotient, I have to ask whether you're putting more weight on the number of scandals or the magnitude of them.

Pruitt is surely the all time record holder for the NUMBER of scandals. In less than two years he managed to become the target of over a dozen formal inquiries into his corruption.

On the other hand, Pruitt's scandals are bizarrely petty. He's not any sort of criminal mastermind; he's a small time grifter who doesn't care about basic ethics. His scandals are pitty-patty shit. So is Pruitt more or less corrupt than someone who pulls only one scam, but it's a BIG scam?
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[...]Pruitt's scandals are bizarrely petty. He's not any sort of criminal mastermind; he's a small time grifter who doesn't care about basic ethics. His scandals are pitty-patty shit. So is Pruitt more or less corrupt than someone who pulls only one scam, but it's a BIG scam?
Jacob Weisberg on Slate makes a distinction between grifters and grafters:

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Maria Konnikova did an excellent podcast series about grifters, many of whom she met working on her book The Confidence Game. For the grifter, ripping people off is seldom the point. The grifter is an artiste, who invests in the long con. He (or she) takes pleasure in gulling the trusting and eluding justice. The grifter has multiple partners, multiple stories, multiple identities. The grifter is theatrical, if not actually delusional. The grifter wants your applause, not just your pocket watch. The Duke and the Dauphin in Huckleberry Finn were grifters, charlatans par excellence. Charles Ponzi was a grifter. William Avery Rockefeller, the father of John D. Rockefeller, was a grifter.

The grafter, by contrast, is a run-of-the-mill abuser of the public trust. He needs no audience and prefers not having one. Where the grifter is shameless, the grafter shrinks from exposure, which could only endanger the racket. He is greedy, but not creatively ambitious. He toils in mundane self-dealing, insider trading, bribe taking, witness tampering, and other forms of workaday corruption. Spiro Agnew was a grafter. William Jefferson, the Louisiana congressman who kept cash in the freezer in his apartment, was a grafter. Illinois governors are inevitably grafters, as is any politician whose name is preceded by “Boss” (see: Louisiana).
In Weisberg's formulation, Pruitt is definitely a grafter. Trump, of course, is a grifter.

(Worth reading the rest of the short piece to see his breakdown of much of the rest of Trump's inner circle.)
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According to Pruitt (via Fox News):
Who could have guessed that unprecedented corruption leads to unprecedented attacks?

2nd in Command Andrew Wheeler is in charge of the EPA for now. He is a former coal lobbyist so don't expect any changes.
No policy changes, just maybe better at concealing his corruption. I suspect Pruitt was kept past his expiration date because Trump admired the job he was doing in wrecking the EPA as a federal agency with any real power. Wheeler will probably continue to do that job but with a lower profile.
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