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Old 03-13-2020, 05:22 PM
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Trump: "I don't take responsibility at all"


He was speaking specifically about the government's response to COVID-19, but it's been true of his entire Presidency. When has he taken responsibility for anything?

But this responsibility's gonna be hard to dodge. If Obama had left our government a shambles, unable to respond to a crisis like this (which he didn't), he's had three years to build it back up. He's been able to put his people in charge, he's been able to pretty much gut Congressional oversight, and for the first two years of his Presidency, he had a GOP-controlled Congress.

Instead, he's treated the government like his personal toy, and now it's broken and can't do what it needs to do at a time like this. But he doesn't take responsibility for any of it. I guess the buck still stops with Obama. But what's the point of a President who doesn't take responsibility? Anyone can do that - not taking responsibility is easy! Why, I can sit here on my sofa and not take responsibility, with the added advantage of not fucking up the country while I do it.

If he's not going to take responsibility, could we get him to at least temporarily step aside for someone who would? We could use even a month of someone with a clue running the government's response to the coronavirus. I'm thinking Liz Warren would be good.
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Of all the horrible things this president has said, this is probably the one thing that has pissed me off the most. That comment is the very definition of lack of leadership.
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"I just think it's a nasty question,... I dunno anything about it" Corruption, incompetence, and no accountability.

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I am 99% certain I posted this very same day that the last sentence of Trump's last Presidential address or press conference will be "None of this was my fault." I hope this day is coming sooner than it seems.
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I hope that "none of this is my fault" is his defense strategy during his corruption trial.
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2020 Campaigns ads should just be a loop of all the times he says "I don't know" or "It's not my fault."
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Old 03-13-2020, 07:15 PM
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I hope that "none of this is my fault" is his defense strategy during his corruption trial.
Remember how Reagan avoided all consequences by conveniently not remembering anything?

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2020 Campaigns ads should just be a loop of all the times he says "I don't know" or "It's not my fault."
Interposed with clips of him saying 'nobody knows XYZ better than me.'
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And who the hell in the right mind cuts the pandemic team. Mao on a pogo stick, it's insurance. If you don't need it, you're prepared. If you do need it, you can respond. If you're trump/republicans, you cut it 'cause it is big government and you think you can ramp it up on a dime if needed. Morons.
Not only that, but the ramping was very slow!
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So, I'm guessing Harry Truman's sign is off in a forgotten corner of the Indiana Jones warehouse?
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So, I'm guessing Harry Truman's sign is off in a forgotten corner of the Indiana Jones warehouse?
Nah, it's just been revised to "THE BUCKS STOP HERE".
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Almost as disgusting was the blatant ass kissing by Pence during that press conference. I thought they were going to have to break out a diamond blade in order to separate his lips from Trump's derriere.
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"I just think it's a nasty question,... I dunno anything about it" Corruption, incompetence, and no accountability.
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I hope that "none of this is my fault" is his defense strategy during his corruption trial.
Well how can it be his fault if when hitting the virus with a club the virus suddenly spreads?
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Almost as disgusting was the blatant ass kissing by Pence during that press conference. I thought they were going to have to break out a diamond blade in order to separate his lips from Trump's derriere.
And I hope he pays the price for that in kind.
But some people, good people, are OK with this.
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Yeah, right now it looks like Trump will pay a steep price for all this.

But what if the crisis plays out over the spring and summer, and while it's bad it's not all-caps BAD. And then in late summer/early fall, things start to normalize. Kids go back to school. Bars and restaurants re-open. A couple of music festivals actually happen. High school and college sports resume. The stock market rallies. Everyone starts to feel a lot better about life, and the survivors (which will be most of us, after all) share a belief that we're all a lot stronger for having endured

All of which would be wonderful. Except guess who gets to bask in the recovery and take full credit?
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Yeah, right now it looks like Trump will pay a steep price for all this.

But what if the crisis plays out over the spring and summer, and while it's bad it's not all-caps BAD. And then in late summer/early fall, things start to normalize. Kids go back to school. Bars and restaurants re-open. A couple of music festivals actually happen. High school and college sports resume. The stock market rallies. Everyone starts to feel a lot better about life, and the survivors (which will be most of us, after all) share a belief that we're all a lot stronger for having endured

All of which would be wonderful. Except guess who gets to bask in the recovery and take full credit?
I'm afraid that if it becomes all caps bad or near enough, someone will try to use that to invalidate the Nov. elections.
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Remember how Reagan avoided all consequences by conveniently not remembering anything?
And then George H.W. Bush pardoned everyone convicted of anything with respect to the Iran-Contra Affair, so there were no consequences whatsoever for running a private arms smuggling network out of the National Security Council.

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I'm afraid that if it becomes all caps bad or near enough, someone will try to use that to invalidate the Nov. elections.
Either way, his term is up in Jan. Can't be POTUS past inauguration day without holding elections (and winning) or operating outside the law.
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I remember when Jimmy Carter addressed the nation in the early hours of the morning after an incredibly daring rescue mission for the hostages failed and taking all the responsibility then and there.
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I remember when Jimmy Carter addressed the nation in the early hours of the morning after an incredibly daring rescue mission for the hostages failed and taking all the responsibility then and there.
I have a mental image of an ad with rapid-cut clips from Truman's "The Buck Stops Here"*, several others in chronological order (including that one), culminating in Mister "I don't take responsibility at all".

*There may be some earlier ones, at least in audio recordings, but that one is memetic enough to be a good opener.
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I remember when Jimmy Carter addressed the nation in the early hours of the morning after an incredibly daring rescue mission for the hostages failed and taking all the responsibility then and there.
I remember him not getting re elected and ushering in the beginning of this whole new conservative era of American politics.

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I remember when Jimmy Carter addressed the nation in the early hours of the morning after an incredibly daring rescue mission for the hostages failed and taking all the responsibility then and there.
Possibly the best man ever to hold the office.
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I remember him not getting re elected and ushering in the beginning of this whole new conservative era of American politics.
That started as far back as 1964, with the initial seeds being planted in the 1930s. The current conservative era is the result of decades of planning by the white supremacist movement to regain power. Carter didn't cause its success.
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Once again, Andrew Sullivan has nailed it. My goodness he writes well.
Indeed. I think Andrew Sullivan has become the essential writer of this period of American history, something I would have considered highly improbable 15 years ago.

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Y'know what's really terrible?

Because even in a moderately bad scenario, the vast majority of the population is going to either not be too sick, or of those who are the majority will make a full recovery, afterwards it will only convince his cultists that "y'see? He was RIGHT! It was NOT such a big deal and HE did all right! Oh, some oldsters kicked it but what did ya expect!"

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Y'know what's really terrible?

Because even in a moderately bad scenario, the vast majority of the population is going to either not be too sick, or of those who are the majority will make a full recovery, afterwards it will only convince his cultists that "y'see? He was RIGHT! It was NOT such a big deal and HE did all right! Oh, some oldsters kicked it but what did ya expect!"
It depends what happens when the hospital bills come due and businesses are done laying off and shutting down. Those could be widespread enough to blunt such an effort, at least a bit.
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Trump could strip naked, run around on the white house lawn, and take a dump in full view of the public and he'd still get 35-38% of the vote. It's the next 7-10% that needs to hold for him to continue as president.
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Trump could strip naked, run around on the white house lawn, and take a dump in full view of the public and he'd still get 35-38% of the vote. It's the next 7-10% that needs to hold for him to continue as president.
Any Dem or Rep candidate starts out around 40%. There are a few exceptions such as Goldwater in 64 who got 38%. Bush 92 got 37% because Perot got 19%.
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I remember him not getting re elected and ushering in the beginning of this whole new conservative era of American politics.
Well, his big mistake was not pulling everyone out of the embassy and bringing them back home, like EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY WITH AN EMBASSY did. Carter, instead, wanted to make a gesture of trust, and it is in the Guinness book as the biggest backfire in history. No one really knows if the US was initially targeted, as part of a plan, or if the US embassy was the only target left.

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Possibly the best man ever to hold the office.
If you mean that he was a mentsh-- that his personal qualities were admirable above other holders of the office, I'd agree, or at least say, he's in the top 5. I can't speak much to the personal qualities of presidents outside my lifetime, but yeah, Carter is a heck of a human being. IMO, the most decent, and maybe the only decent person since, was Obama. Not that being a decent person is a requirement for being a good president-- I understand that FDR was unfaithful to his wife, and had a few other failings. But if Carter gets an A in being a decent person, then FDR still gets a C+ or a B- (and really, we don't know the details of his marriage, what his wife may have known, condoned, or been involved in herself); Pres. "Grab her pussy" gets an F.

Trump crossed an event horizon a long time ago, that I don't know any other president has crossed. Some, like those who condoned slaughter of the native Americans were pretty awful, and that would be worse in the context of the present, than the things Trump has done (except maybe in the aggregate), but in the context of its own time was sadly normal.
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It depends what happens when the hospital bills come due and businesses are done laying off and shutting down. Those could be widespread enough to blunt such an effort, at least a bit.
Oh, that will be the fault of Congress not passing the payroll tax cut, you know that's gonna be the line...
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Y'know what's really terrible?

Because even in a moderately bad scenario, the vast majority of the population is going to either not be too sick, or of those who are the majority will make a full recovery, afterwards it will only convince his cultists that "y'see? He was RIGHT! It was NOT such a big deal and HE did all right! Oh, some oldsters kicked it but what did ya expect!"
In a moderately bad scenario, 100 million people get sick and half a million people die.
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In a moderately bad scenario, 100 million people get sick and half a million people die.

"Oh, that's what THEY say! Those are fake statistics, the state Medical Examiners are being very unfair, very disrespectful to the wonderful pharmaceutical industries, saying these people died of Covid, you don't know that, people get sick and die of things, I have very good people, very very good people who tell me it's not so."
and of course other lies his fan club will eagerly swallow.

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"Oh, that's what THEY say! Those are fake statistics, the state Medical Examiners are being very unfair, very disrespectful to the wonderful pharmaceutical industries, saying these people died of Covid, you don't know that, people get sick and die of things, I have very good people, very very good people who tell me it's not so."
and of course other lies his fan club will eagerly swallow.
There are in nfact people that seem to be spreading the idea that COVID19 deaths are being overstated for political purposes

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...rate-fake-news

Have there actually been any people who were reported to die of COVID19 that did not get tested? I find this highly unlikely unless the hospital and the city gets so overrun that they cannot engage in testing.
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There are in nfact people that seem to be spreading the idea that COVID19 deaths are being overstated for political purposes

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...rate-fake-news

Have there actually been any people who were reported to die of COVID19 that did not get tested? I find this highly unlikely unless the hospital and the city gets so overrun that they cannot engage in testing.
Sort of. ISTR Gov. Cuomo saying that numbers are being underreported due to people dying before they could be tested.

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Trump had better hope to whatever god he prays to that this outbreak does burn itself out as soon as he thinks it will. Like enalzi says above, these words are going to haunt him in every Biden and downticket ad this fall. I look forward to Trump explaining them on a debate stage in September -- and likely putting his foot even further into his mouth.
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And who the hell in the right mind cuts the pandemic team. Mao on a pogo stick, it's insurance. If you don't need it, you're prepared. If you do need it, you can respond. If you're trump/republicans, you cut it 'cause it is big government and you think you can ramp it up on a dime if needed. Morons.
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Trump had better hope to whatever god he prays to that this outbreak does burn itself out as soon as he thinks it will. Like enalzi says above, these words are going to haunt him in every Biden and downticket ad this fall. I look forward to Trump explaining them on a debate stage in September -- and likely putting his foot even further into his mouth.
If this had been any other President, I would have been absolutely gobsmacked at the tone-deafness of such a statement — particularly when he's up for re-election. The attack ads write themselves.
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And who the hell in the right mind cuts the pandemic team. Mao on a pogo stick, it's insurance. If you don't need it, you're prepared. If you do need it, you can respond. If you're trump/republicans, you cut it 'cause it is big government and you think you can ramp it up on a dime if needed. Morons.
Not to excuse Trump, but it probably wouldn't have made any difference. According to a guest on Maddow who had been a member of the team, its function was to give the President expert advice on the best way to handle something like a pandemic; and we all know that King Cannot is the expertiest expert there can be on all subjects, so attempting to advise him is a fool's errand.
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And who the hell in the right mind cuts the pandemic team. Mao on a pogo stick, it's insurance. If you don't need it, you're prepared. If you do need it, you can respond. If you're trump/republicans, you cut it 'cause it is big government and you think you can ramp it up on a dime if needed. Morons.
Because he thinks it is like a movie where a pandemic breaks out and you wake the expert (played by Brad Pitt) out of retirement for one last opportunity to save the world.
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Because he thinks it is like a movie where a pandemic breaks out and you wake the expert (played by Brad Pitt) out of retirement for one last opportunity to save the world.
No, it's because he literally doesn't care about anything that he can't immediately detect as being about him.
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What do his supporters tell their kids? Go ahead, lie, cheat, and deny responsibility for your actions, and then you too can be president? Forget baby booms...we're going to have a shithead boom when these kids grow up.
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Because he thinks it is like a movie where a pandemic breaks out and you wake the expert (played by Brad Pitt) out of retirement for one last opportunity to save the world.
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No, it's because he literally doesn't care about anything that he can't immediately detect as being about him.
He has said many times that he does not plan, he reacts. And we're seeing how well that's working out.
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No, it's because he literally doesn't care about anything that he can't immediately detect as being about him.


He's the presidential embodiment of guys like this:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex...rter-1.3271124


When it comes to government, taxes, and specifically the lowering of said taxes, is literally the only thing he knows about, or cares about. Will cutting it save taxes? Then do it. None of this nerdy talking about infrastructure and foresight, Poindexter!
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And who the hell in the right mind cuts the pandemic team. Mao on a pogo stick, it's insurance. If you don't need it, you're prepared. If you do need it, you can respond. If you're trump/republicans, you cut it 'cause it is big government and you think you can ramp it up on a dime if needed. Morons.
The folks that want to stop pandemics have policy positions that are not consistent with republican politics. The big one is universal health care for everyone. Free check-ups and free vaccinations nationwide. Ideally add things like paid sick leave to the equation.

IMHO, we should have the same health care available to the public that we make available to convicts.
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