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Old 02-25-2019, 09:51 PM
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Everyone already hand waves everything to fit their political narrative. That's the planet we're on.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:17 PM
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Everyone already hand waves everything to fit their political narrative. That's the planet we're on.
And you think "tooting around in private jets helps the economy" fits Sanders' political narrative? Of course not. That's why, at least according to the linked article, the response is that they had a heavy schedule to places with insufficient commercial coverage. You know, rather than proclaim himself a limousine liberal.
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Question for those of you who are backing Bernie for the nomination: Do you think Bernie would be an effective executive?
IO'm not a Bernie backer, but he has been in Congress for forty years and achieved nothing much to push the US in a socialist direction. He is no LBJ in terms of legislating. President Sanders wouldn't be any more effective than Congressman Sanders.
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I am very concerned about this part of the President's job, which is the most reassuring thing about contemplating a Sanders Presidency. He ain't gonna be able to do shit. Thank God.

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Old 02-26-2019, 09:27 AM
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So, this ex-Clinton staffer is grousing about Bernie taking private planes to go stumping FOR Clinton after she clinched the nomination?? Talk about gratitude having a short half-life...



Does anybody REALLY expect a 75-year-old man to walk everywhere on the campaign trail?


Nope. It doesn’t mean a thing to me. But, I’m not a wide eyed millennial worshiping Bernie.

I was pointing out the politics are going to be very different this time around. Sanders got the ultimate in soft kid gloves treatment last time. It won’t be the case going forward.
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:52 PM
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Nope. It doesnít mean a thing to me. But, Iím not a wide eyed millennial worshiping Bernie.
Neither am I. In the spirit of full disclosure, though, I appear to be the father of one.

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I was pointing out the politics are going to be very different this time around. Sanders got the ultimate in soft kid gloves treatment last time. It wonít be the case going forward.
Perhaps. OTOH, given what we now know about foreign interference in our political process, anybody slinging attacks on Bernie (or anyone else) without proper documentation or using sketchy identification is going to have to tread carefully.
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survey of party activists in early states and who they might support. Sanders and Biden are not at the top of the list. Harris leads for now.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ate-activists/
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Neither am I. In the spirit of full disclosure, though, I appear to be the father of one.







Perhaps. OTOH, given what we now know about foreign interference in our political process, anybody slinging attacks on Bernie (or anyone else) without proper documentation or using sketchy identification is going to have to tread carefully.


Still, the private jet article doesn’t sound like Russian dirty tricks, it’s the typical Washington cocktail party circuit chatter. It’s quite reasonable to assume someone in charge of scheduling for the Clinton campaign wasn’t exactly feeling the Bern for Sanders and it’s reasonable to see how someone from the Sanders campaign might have rubbed them the wrong way.
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survey of party activists in early states and who they might support. Sanders and Biden are not at the top of the list. Harris leads for now.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ate-activists/
Read that too. As emphasized a small and not necessarily representative sample, but consistent with what they've been otherwise noting. Sanders leads in the number committed to him but not so many more than that are considering him. IOW that high floor low ceiling concept. More than 70% of the activists would not consider Sanders as their choice.

That can serve him well early while the field is broad. Twentysomething (his floor) may be enough to be in first then. But twentysomething (his ceiling) will not be enough to win as the field quickly narrows.

FWIW Biden may be in the same boat. Also of note is that the activists are somewhat like us in who they would consider (except they consider Booker more). Harris is up there yes, but so is Brown, despite not polling worth crap. 45.7 would consider him (compared to that only 28.6 for Sanders).
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There were only two Presidents during the Civil War, and even that's just barely, due to the fact that the war started one month before Lincoln was sworn in. Did you maybe mean during the run up, or during reconstruction?

On the OP: I think Sanders stands a decent shot of winning the Democratic primary. Certainly he should be in the top 3 or 4 candidates. As far as the general, I am extremely skeptical. I just don't see this country electing someone who is a self-proclaimed socialist. On the other hand, Trump is a pretty soft target.

I would probably not vote for Sanders over a "normal" Republican, but I would definitely vote for him over Trump. So, maybe.
You misunderstood--I wasn't referring to sitting Presidents but former Presidents Franklin Pierce and John Tyler (Tyler who actually was a member of the Confederate House of Representatives but died before he could start his first legislative session.)
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Backbench Bernie is still up to his old routine. He was rallying against superdelegates and Hillary Clinton in Iowa City, in 2019!!!


I’ll be so glad to see this scum out of the race. Your 15 minutes are up.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:30 PM
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Backbench Bernie is still up to his old routine. He was rallying against superdelegates and Hillary Clinton in Iowa City, in 2019!!!

Iíll be so glad to see this scum out of the race. Your 15 minutes are up.
Not if the media can help it. Bernie and his stick-it-to-the-moderates proclivities are Drama!

DEMS IN DISARRAY! RATINGS BONANZA!
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DEMS IN DISARRAY! SANDERS BLASTS HILLARY FOR MURDERING VINCE FOSTER AND SETH RICH! CLINTON FIRES BACK WITH BOLSHEVIK BERNIE EPITHET!
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DEMS IN DISARRAY! SANDERS BLASTS HILLARY FOR MURDERING VINCE FOSTER AND SETH RICH! CLINTON FIRES BACK WITH BOLSHEVIK BERNIE EPITHET!
Well, we can take that for granted.

It's when the New York Times and Washington Post and the tv networks (besides Fox) start resorting to easy/lazy story-lines, that I grind my teeth.


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Backbench Bernie is still up to his old routine. He was rallying against superdelegates and Hillary Clinton in Iowa City, in 2019!!!


Iíll be so glad to see this scum out of the race. Your 15 minutes are up.
Lol, Sanders is one of the top contenders for the nomination right now.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:27 PM
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Lol, Sanders is one of the top contenders for the nomination right now.


No he isn’t, Sanders and Biden are just name recognition. As mentioned before, Sanders has a higher floor right now, but also a very narrow ceiling.

I don’t care about any polls right now, this is like me predicting the Patriots will win the Super Bowl for the 2020 Super Bowl.
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What I find fascinating is that Bernie Sanders has the most street cred out of all the candidates in the progressive movement and civil rights. He was arrested for it 50 years ago during the civil rights movement, and has been pushing progressivism forward for the same amount of time. No candidate has anywhere near his credibility or bonafides.

But that's not what fascinates me. What fascinates me is that in spite of this, in spite of his immense credibility and proven dedication, you know what the real problem is? He's a white guy.

That is a fascinating self defeat.

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Going and marching for civil rights back before most African Americans were even born, then retreating to lily white Vermont for a half century, isn't that impressive to a lot of black people.

I'm being reminded again this week why the whole Bernie movement is so irksome. They don't just advocate for their guy, they viciously try to tear down anyone they see as a threat, and not "pure" enough. In 2015/2016, that was all aimed at Hillary (whom I supported). Now they are afraid Beto is going to attract Millennial voters, so their guerrilla fighters are starting up again: I saw a viral tweet from a Sandernista who videoed herself grilling Beto on his big first day haul, casting aspersions about how it must not represent as low an average number as Bernie's; and while filibustering in lead-up to her "question", threw some other shade about Beto being a pretty boy with a lot of empty rhetoric. They remind me of the Ron Paulites of the GOP a few years back, and I'm so over them already.
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What I find fascinating is that Bernie Sanders has the most street cred out of all the candidates in the progressive movement and civil rights. He was arrested for it 50 years ago during the civil rights movement, and has been pushing progressivism forward for the same amount of time. No candidate has anywhere near his credibility or bonafides.

But that's not what fascinates me. What fascinates me is that in spite of this, in spite of his immense credibility and proven dedication, you know what the real problem is? He's a white guy.

That is a fascinating self defeat.
I'd like to laugh at this, but I'm afraid it's very true.
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I saw two polls about Bernie today that concern me. One shows him narrowly taking the polling lead in the crowded field with 26% support. The other shows two-thirds of Democrats saying that literally anyone else but Bernie would have a better chance to beat Trump.

This tells me that, like Trump on the GOP side in 2016, he has a high floor but low ceiling. Unlike Trump, he is not competing in a party that has winner-take-all primaries. So he is very unlikely to go into the convention with a majority of delegates; but neither is anyone else. If he gets <40% of the vote, I would consider it extremely unlikely that he'd get the nomination--even if he has more votes and pledged delegates than any other single candidate.

So if we don't want an internecine nuclear war in the Democratic Party, which then makes it a cakewalk for Trump, we need to make damn sure the nominee clearly has more votes/delegates than Bernie. Or at the very least, that someone has more than Bernie (even if it's not the nominee).
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The latest news is that Bernie is now a member of the top 1%:
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Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday released a decade of tax returns, providing new insight into how the Democratic socialist senator from Vermont became a millionaire between his two presidential runs.
According to returns provided by his campaign, Sanders and wife Jane's bottom line jumped from $240,622 in 2015, the year he launched his first White House bid, to $1,073,333 a year later, as the once obscure lawmaker became a political sensation on the left and a bestselling author with royalties pouring in.
Since that first run, Sanders and his wife made a total of more than $2.79 million, putting them in the category of the super-rich.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/polit...020/index.html

While that makes him rich, I am not sure about super-rich, where you need $50 million or so:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30689144

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I didn't see it but apparently, according to Vox, Bernie handled the Fox MAGAbots pretty well during his forum last night. Did anyone here watch, and do you agree?
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