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10% VAT is not regressive, Amazon not paying its taxes, which your best pal Pete has not even outlined yet, is regressive. The only liar here is the candidate who is doing the lie of omission, and it sure aint my man Yang.
Regressive is when a tax effects lower income people proportionally more than higher income people. It doesn't just mean "bad". It's a matter of definition and a VAT on consumer goods is well known to be regressive. Your buddy Yang knows perfectly well that it won't meaningfully change Amazon's tax burden. So, he's a liar by pretending it will.
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Is Democrats attacking each other the best way to get Individual 1 voted out?
To some degree yes, at this point in the process, depending on the nature of the "attacks." It is fair game for Ryan Liam to argue, as he does below, that he sees massive structural issues that require big and disruptive ideas to address, and to be dissatisfied with candidates who are not offering what he sees as those big disruptive ideas.

And it is fair game for others of us to point out how specific big disruptive ideas are not only not likely to fix the problems they are aimed at but may in fact make them much worse, or how specific big disruptive ideas may make great sales campaigns but have no chance of actually happening.

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<snip> ... This is the problem with you older types, there are massive structural issues in the US economy and in quality of life, and your support goes to someone who will retain the status quo as much as possible.



What 'big ideas' Do Biden, Beto and Buttigieg have? I'll wait.

Beto is getting sidelined as he's not needed due to Buttigieg and Biden throwing their hats into the ring. Yang is getting sidelined because his policies are as radical the same way Bernies are.
You of course are free to think what you want but being a pragmatic incrementalist ≠ retaining the status quo as much as possible.

And indeed those candidates are less about the disruptive big idea than movement in the right directions that won't cause more harms than goods and that can be delivered and not just promised. And being able to win. Failing gloriously is, IMHO, not preferable to succeeding only well.

Beto's getting sidelined because he is seeming to be more hat than cattle. Buttigieg will likely get sidelined too but will succeed in setting his stage for future accomplishments. Yang (and this is his thread) won't get off the sideline to begin with but he will likely succeed in getting UBI talked about some during the debates.
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Yang will be in Iowa this weekend then off to Seattle next week. He's added a stop at Detroit on the tour.

On his tweets today, he retweeted an article on a study that could affect climate change.

Massive restoration of world’s forests would cancel out a decade of CO2 emissions, analysis suggests


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Replenishing the world’s forests on a grand scale would suck enough carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to cancel out a decade of human emissions, according to an ambitious new study.

Scientists have established there is room for an additional 1.2 trillion trees to grow in parks, woods and abandoned land across the planet.

If such a goal were accomplished, ecologist Dr Thomas Crowther said it would outstrip every other method for tackling climate change – from building wind turbines to vegetarian diets.
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The same approach, using machine learning and AI to analyse the enormous data set, allowed the researchers to predict the number of trees that could feasibly be planted in empty patches around the world.
What's nice is that it combines both climate change and AI together.

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On Anderson Cooper 360, a reporter went to sit with 8 Democratic voters to talk about their thoughts about Joe Biden as he entered the race. 3 people said they'd vote for Biden. 2 people mentioned Yang. They didn't say they'd vote for him, just that he had some interesting ideas.

Tucker Carlson talked about Yang on a show on Fox News where he was the supposed guest. Tucker talked about how Yang was the only candidate on either side who was talking about what he thought was the major issue affecting the country, which is automation. He also gives props to Tulsi Gabbard for an issue and laughs about the media fawning over Beto and Buttigieg.

I thought this interview on Fox Nation right after the LA rally was pretty amusing. Nothing novel about the questions, but there was a guy in the background moving the Yangbill behind them. The last question the interviewer asked was what are the YangGang colors. Yang said they were red, white and blue based on the Math hat (Make America Think Harder) that the interviewer just asked about. Yang spoke about how he's looking forward to Trump making up a nickname for him.

From 538, We Asked Democratic Activists Who They’re Backing — And Who They’d Hate To See Win on April 22, 2019. Yang has a 9% share of activists who are considering him. Yang had a 35% share of activists who would NOT consider him, tied with McAuliffe, who is already out. Beating Yang is Delaney with a 38% share, Biden with a 42% share, Bernie with a 50% share, and Tulsi with a 58% share.

Nate Silver on twitter a couple days ago, referencing the whole thing with Trump and Hillary back in 2016 about taco trucks on every corner.

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A positive article in the National Review.

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The appeal of his technocratic ideas — some feasible, some not — shows that there are voters interested in non-ideological solutions.

If you’re paying attention to presidential politics, you should be paying attention to Andrew Yang, a tech entrepreneur running for president as a Democrat.

Yang is worth taking seriously not because he has a real shot at the nomination (he comes in at about 1 percent in most polls), but because, unlike most of the politicians in the field with him, he has a policy agenda that features genuinely new ideas that, even if unworkable, augur interesting times for the future of American politics.
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Yang is worth paying attention to not because those solutions are the right ones, but because he’s identifying many of the right problems and because his approach deviates from the typical political fare. He matters for what he reveals about our political moment and what is likely to come next. That future will have more politicians, on both sides of the aisle, who sound a lot more like Andrew Yang.
There was a bit of controversy a couple days ago. USA Today put out a poll asking which Presidential candidates people were talking about. Yang, Bernie and Marianne Williamson topped the list. USA Today put out an article sharing the results of the poll and some essays they'd received about the candidates. Later, they put out an article saying that polls like this can be suspect, even though it's their own poll.
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Regressive is when a tax effects lower income people proportionally more than higher income people. It doesn't just mean "bad". It's a matter of definition and a VAT on consumer goods is well known to be regressive. Your buddy Yang knows perfectly well that it won't meaningfully change Amazon's tax burden. So, he's a liar by pretending it will.
But he'd only be a liar if he was committed to VAT being the only solution to the problem of Amazon paying its tax, so you seem to be strawmanning VAT into a be all and end all solution to this problem, which Yang through his policies himself has said isn't the case. Sounds like you're lying here bud.

That 'regressive tax' Which I've been over and over and over in this thread, is subjective considering the tax on consumption would help fund social programmes designed to alleviate poverty, such as free healthcare, if it was that terrible, the UK would of abandoned it decades ago, but we haven't, wonder why that is?

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Bernie is a pragmatic incrementalist, your definition is akin to plate tectonics.

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And indeed those candidates are less about the disruptive big idea than movement in the right directions that won't cause more harms than goods and that can be delivered and not just promised. And being able to win. Failing gloriously is, IMHO, not preferable to succeeding only well.
Rubbish, the UK after WWII instituted free healthcare, and this was when it was virtually bankrupt, the US can do the same thing. There's no excuse.
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Tucker Carlson [...] also gives props to Tulsi Gabbard for an issue
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But he'd only be a liar if he was committed to VAT being the only solution to the problem of Amazon paying its tax, so you seem to be strawmanning VAT into a be all and end all solution to this problem, which Yang through his policies himself has said isn't the case. Sounds like you're lying here bud.
I just don't get it. You've been shown that a VAT is not going get Amazon to pay more taxes at all. A VAT, in the end, is a consumer tax. It's lying to say it's even a small part of the solution.

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And as far as his not claiming it's the total solution, once again quoting from your buddy's VAT page:
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Read that slowly. A VAT makes it impossible for Amazon not to pay its fair share.
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And as far as his not claiming it's the total solution, once again quoting from your buddy's VAT page:

Read that slowly. A VAT makes it impossible for Amazon not to pay its fair share.
It still doesn't mean that he using that as the lynchpin to finance UBI.

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I just don't get it. You've been shown that a VAT is not going get Amazon to pay more taxes at all. A VAT, in the end, is a consumer tax. It's lying to say it's even a small part of the solution.
Business to business transactions also have to pay VAT, weird how you didn't point that out.
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Business to business transactions also have to pay VAT, weird how you didn't point that out.
It's not weird. This is the last time I'm going to try and explain your buddy's plan to you. From investopedia
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A VAT is levied on the gross margin at each point in the manufacturing-distribution-sales process of an item. The tax is assessed and collected at each stage, in contrast to a sales tax, which is only assessed and paid by the consumer at the very end of the supply chain.

Say, for example, Dulce is an expensive candy manufactured and sold in the country of Alexia. Alexia has a 10% value-added tax.

1) Dulce’s manufacturer buys the raw materials for $2.00, plus a VAT of $0.20 – payable to the government of Alexia – for a total price of $2.20.

2) The manufacturer then sells Dulce to a retailer for $5.00 plus a VAT of 50 cents for a total of $5.50. However, the manufacturer renders only 30 cents to Alexia, which is the total VAT at this point, minus the prior VAT charged by the raw material supplier. Note that the 30 cents also equals 10% of the manufacturer’s gross margin of $3.00.

3) Finally, the retailer sells Dulce to consumers for $10 plus a VAT of $1 for a total of $11. The retailer renders 50 cents to Alexia, which is the total VAT at this point ($1), minus the prior 50-cent VAT charged by the manufacturer. The 50 cents also represents 10% of the retailer’s gross margin on Dulce.
So you can see, the cost of the VAT is handed down at each step so the end user is the only one paying. Big companies would only really pay VAT on things not part of their core business/supply chain.
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Your buddy Yang knows perfectly well that it won't meaningfully change Amazon's tax burden. So, he's a liar by pretending it will.
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But he'd only be a liar if he was committed to VAT being the only solution to the problem of Amazon paying its tax, so you seem to be strawmanning VAT into a be all and end all solution to this problem, which Yang through his policies himself has said isn't the case. .
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And as far as his not claiming it's the total solution, once again quoting from your buddy's VAT page:

Read that slowly. A VAT makes it impossible for Amazon not to pay its fair share.
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It still doesn't mean that he using that as the lynchpin to finance UBI.
See how you changed the subject? We weren't talking about financing UBI, we were talking about making Amazon pay its fair share.

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See how you changed the subject? We weren't talking about financing UBI, we were talking about making Amazon pay its fair share.
They're inextricably linked, VAT is used in part to finance UBI, come on now, you can do better than that.

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You've failed to explain the first time, this being after I told you numerous times that framing the VAT tax plan as the be all and end all of his making tech giants to pay fair tax is disingenious.

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So you can see, the cost of the VAT is handed down at each step so the end user is the only one paying. Big companies would only really pay VAT on things not part of their core business/supply chain.
Big companies pay big taxes, and VAT is most effective on high end purchases which alot of businesses do.

As for the consumer, the end user isn't the only one paying, at each step of the supply chain the tax is already paid for. If a company levies a marginal (And it is marginal) Higher price for the end user, then it's still fairer than sales tax because whilst there's no guarantee a consumer will buy the product, the resources to make and produce such product will have been already taxed.
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I am explaining some straightforward uncontroversial things that you are refusing to understand. Like I said, that was my last try.
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On his tweets today, he retweeted an article on a study that could affect climate change.

Massive restoration of world’s forests would cancel out a decade of CO2 emissions, analysis suggests
Following on from the previous day's tweet, the next day the tweet was about how drones were being used to plant new trees faster than it was done in the past.

These tree-planting drones are firing ‘seed missiles’ into the ground. Less than a year later, they’re already 20 inches tall.

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In September 2018, a project in Myanmar used drones to fire “seed missiles” into remote areas of the country where trees were not growing. Less than a year later, thousands of those seed missiles have sprouted into 20-inch mangrove saplings that could literally be a case study in how technology can be used to innovate our way out of the climate change crisis.
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For context, it took the Worldview Foundation 7 years to plant 6 million trees in Myanmar. Now, with the help of the drones, they hope to plant another 4 million before the end of 2019.
A piece of land in Myanmar is being used to test whether drones could successfully plant trees by firing seed missiles into the ground. Less than a year later, there has been success. Not only would it help with climate change, but it would also help curb land erosion. It takes two operators to man the drones. This is another area where automation is displacing human effort with a positive result in productivity.

Some twitter pictures of Yang's campaigning in Iowa. I'm liking that there are more women and more diversity in ages in these pictures. Also some nice pictures of the rally crowds from Yang's campaign manager's twitter feed.

Yang is polling at 2% in New Hampshire. One of the YangGang noticed something interesting about this poll. Yang is second to Bernie in winning over voters who didn't vote in 2016. In most of Yang's recent rallies, they've asked the crowd whether anyone in the crowd was caring about politics for the first time. There have been quite a number of people in his rallies responding to that.

This is the reason that polls are not always effective. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez notes in her interview with Stephen Colbert, polls measure who the pollsters think are likely to turn up to vote. AOC changed who turned up to vote. That made the difference for her. But that was only about 10-20K people. I don't know if it would work on a national level.

I found this hilarious, but maybe it was one of those 'you had to be there' moments. I saw the title of the post, Look who wasn't omitted off the list! There has been a lot of discussion about how MSM and particularly MSNBC have left Yang off all their graphics, so I thought that this was a MSNBC graphic that was finally corrected. When I opened the post, I found that it was a list from an email sent by the Trump campaign sent to his supporters to vote in a straw poll about which 2020 candidate is the worst. Trump is looking for who to hate on next. The pictures they chose for that email are comical. At least Yang made it to the list. There were some other candidates who were left off that list. I bet Yang would be proud.

Yang made a brief appearance on MSNBC on Sunday 4/28/19.

I was looking for poll information on UBI. I found one that showed a split in the US about UBI. Young people wanted it while older people didn't. Democrats wanted it while Republicans didn't. Women wanted it more than men. The crowds showing up for the rallies aren't indicative of this yet. This poll was taken in the latter half of 2017.

For people who like to play in the math, here are some calculations of the Freedom Dividend. Here are some of the source studies.
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I am explaining some straightforward uncontroversial things that you are refusing to understand. Like I said, that was my last try.
Yeah, such as VAT being collected at each point of production, rather than it all being dumped on the consumer via a sales tax. That kind of straightforward? Or how about the kind of straightforward where it's harder to dodge paying VAT in comparison to sales tax?

Spare me your psuedo intellect.
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You don't see that the VAT is recouped by the manufacturer and retailer when the product gets to the consumer. Don't know why but that is your essential misunderstanding, if you want to work through it on your own.

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You don't see that the VAT is recouped by the manufacturer and retailer when the product gets to the consumer. Don't know why but that is your essential misunderstanding, if you want to work through it on your own.
You seem to think that the product manufactured and bought by the retailer which has already had its tax paid, is guaranteed to be sold.

Do I have to keep spelling this out for you?
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So we're all gonna get rich off of Amazon's unsold merchandise? Sweet.

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So we're all gonna get rich off of Amazon's unsold merchandise? Sweet.
No, looks like we're gonna get rich from all your unsold strawmen.
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I'm getting the impression that strawmen are a key demographic for Yang.

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The contrast between how the Left and Right media cover Yang has become so stark, people are beginning to wonder if the Right is being ironic. But I guess that could be said of the Left in the opposite direction.

Here's an author from The Federalist in an opinion piece in the Orange County Register:

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Amid the evil farce that the Democrats’ primary campaign seems fated to spiral into, do not sleep on Andrew Yang, the paradoxically normal oddball candidate who is gaining serious attention because of how powerfully he reveals the Left’s dueling playbooks to be grievously obsolete.

Yang occupies a zone of reality most leading Democrats simply refuse to countenance, much less engage with
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But of course, the abject failure of the Obama administration to process the sweeping new social context imposed by the triumph of digital technology—summed up embarrassingly by the Commander in Chief mugging with a selfie stick in the Oval Office as his intelligence community missed both the rise of ISIS and of China as new threats—created the disastrous status quo that Trump’s election responded so angrily against, and which Democrats are still scrambling to explain away.

In fact, the field of Democratic candidates insists, simply rejecting Trump at the ballot box will heroically and magically bring back the good old days of the Obama years, while at the same time launching us toward the shiny, happy, and suspiciously mirthless future of enforced celebration and bogus harmony demanded by the Left’s cultish inquisitionists.
Yang calmly ignores all that hyperventilating and fantasizing. Seeming to recognize at a gut level that both the inert nostalgia of the Obama-besotted and the vengeful utopianism of those for whom Obama now seems reactionary are soon to be dead memes,
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Running on the slogan “Humanity First,” Yang is clearly positioning himself as the candidate who serves neither increasingly automated masters nor our baser animal instincts—neither the technocratic superego of the establishment Left nor the social justice id of the radical vanguard.
On the Left, here's a piece of the discussion from 538 and Yang's chances to have a "moment":

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perry: So I have interpreted this as who is going to have a moment, not necessarily who is most likely to win.

So in that vein, I think Andrew Yang will have a moment in the debates and that will boost his profile.

Universal basic income is an issue that I think resonates with a lot of nerdy people worried about economic inequality and automation — and the debates could help him, because he is a non-politician who will come off as different from the rest of the field.

nrakich: Yeah, Yang checks a lot of boxes for the “moment” thing — low name recognition right now, but lots of room to grow. He has some passionate fans out there. He’s gotten over 100,000 donors, which is the fifth-most in the field, based on the data we have. And he’s been Googled just as much as Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris over the past 30 days.

natesilver: Also, if we’re talking about long-shot candidates, you’d rather have a candidate who’s really weird (I mean that in the nicest possible way) rather than one who’s boring.

Like, maybe nine times out of 10, Yang doesn’t make a dent at all, but that one time out of 10, he has an interesting ceiling.

I watched a couple youtube videos of behind the scenes stuff of Yang's campaign. Again, I'm impressed with how much energy goes into campaigning. After the rally, there's the compulsory selfie requirement that people stay for. One guy asked during the town hall if Yang would stay to take pictures. Yang promised to stay until everyone who wanted a picture had one. After that, there's the meeting with the donors and the volunteers who helped put together the rally. More picture taking, some behind the scenes information sharing and some personal question and answer.

I'm also impressed that before and after Yang's rally in LA with thousands of people, Yang took the time to be interviewed by completely unknown youtube channels. He gave them the same time and attention that he did with every media interview, big or small. He might run out of time for that in the future, but it was really nice of him to do.

Nice blog piece from a guy who was at his Iowa rally. He says that he's switching from Bernie to Yang. The piece reminded me that the rally had 6 people dressed up as penguins to protest what they thought was Yang's policy on climate change. Yang has said that when people have the financial boot on their throats, they might say that the penguins can wait. That doesn't mean that Yang himself doesn't see the urgency, just that people who are worried about paying their bills may not have the bandwidth to worry about it. So his first priority is to take the financial weight off, then those people might be able to mobilize more. After Yang explained, the penguins seemed happy with what they heard, clapping and smiling.

More and more, the Yang subreddit is seeing other candidates with Yang policies, taken almost verbatim from his website, things like democracy dollars and UBI explained exactly as Yang does. People are of two minds about that. On the one hand, people realize that it's the ideas that need to spread. It doesn't matter who is spreading them. On the other hand, there's something about taking without giving credit that rubs people the wrong way. It's probably a testament to the campaign that other candidates think the ideas are worth putting out there.

Emerson polling
in Texas had Yang at 3.2% with 9.1% of the 18-29 year olds.

On a C-Span interview Cenk Uygur mentioned that TYT will be hosting another interview with Yang in a week or so. I haven't heard that from the Yang camp yet.

Yang is set to rally in Seattle, WA on Friday, May 3, 2019.

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Why can i not shake the feeling that something is not right about having billionaires receive an additional $1000/month with the implementation of Yang's UBI proposal but a low-income disabled person whose income prior to UBI is funded primarily by a $700/month stipend in disability benefits, that person will only see an additional $300/month with the implementation of Yang's proposal? Are there elements that i am missing? It seems like those that need the most are getting the least.
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I think it's a good idea for this kind of thing not to involve a whole bureaucracy deciding on a case-by-case basis who is eligible.

Keep in mind that the billionaire will be paying much more than $1,000 extra per month to pay for the UBI.
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No Ambi you've got it. It's a regressive redistribution funded by a tax that disproportionately impacts the poorest the most. (The regressivity of VAT as a funding source has been covered ad nauseum by now.)

Meanwhile Rasmussen/HarrisX poll with Yang polling at 0% (3/741). He is becoming a more well known entity: the "never heard of" is down to 39%. Unfortunately for him as people form opinions "unfavorable" is catching up on "no opinion", now 21% unfavorable with 8% "very unfavorable" and 13% "somewhat", compared to 28% no opinion, and the quite lagging only 13% "favorable' (10% "somewhat" and 3% very).

Quinnipiac has him overall at 1% - statistically pretty much all men and mostly conservative men.
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I think it's a good idea for this kind of thing not to involve a whole bureaucracy deciding on a case-by-case basis who is eligible.
That idea is a lot more powerful if it removes some of that bureaucracy, rather than run in parallel with it which is Yang's proposal.
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Some billionaires might but it's a reach for most millionaires. To break even on the VAT, the government needs you to purchase $120,000 in goods and services per year (@$1000/month,10%VAT).

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I think it's a good idea for this kind of thing not to involve a whole bureaucracy deciding on a case-by-case basis who is eligible.

Keep in mind that the billionaire will be paying much more than $1,000 extra per month to pay for the UBI.
You've surprised me (in a good way) several times recently.

You may be right about the 'like' button. I'm not a fan of that for a lot of reasons, but if this place had one, I'd add one to your post.

This thread is also selling me on the idea of upvotes.
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Keep in mind that the billionaire will be paying much more than $1,000 extra per month to pay for the UBI.
Why can't that $1,000/month be regardless of income or source of income? Would it be unsustainable in that scenario? Why can Joe Smith pulling in $500 a month in disability receive a free and clear $1000 on top of that paltry disability-related assistance? It seems like they are being hammered for being unable to work. Why should an assistance program based on disability eligibility eat in to a proposed UBI that makes no income restrictions for literally ANYONE else, including some of the richest people in the world?

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Why can't that $1,000/month be regardless of income or source of income? Would it be unsustainable in that scenario? Why can Joe Smith pulling in $500 a month in disability receive a free and clear $1000 on top of that paltry disability-related assistance? It seems like they are being hammered for being unable to work. Why should an assistance program based on disability eligibility eat in to a proposed UBI that makes no income restrictions for literally ANYONE else, including some of the richest people in the world?
Here's some calculations someone did about the Freedom Dividend on Reddit:

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Freedom Dividend Costs:

U.S Population - 327.2 million

Over 18 percent (77.4%) - 253.2 million

Citizen percent (93%) - 235.5 million

Headline Cost (235.5 million * $12,000/year)- 2.82 trillion

Freedom Dividend funding

10% VAT- 800 billion

Welfare overlap (Social Security disability + other welfare) - 534 billion

Rest of social security overlap - 897.8 billion

Economic growth - 600 billion

Reduced poverty expenses - 200 billion

Carbon fee - 100 billion

Financial Transaction Tax - 50 billion

Carried interest loophole - 18 billion

Total 3.2 Trillion

Funding picture (funding - cost) - 3.2T - 2.82 T = 380 billion surplus
Without the reduction for benefits that are already being paid, there would need to be an additional roughly $1.4T that would need to be accounted for.

But let's say that were possible. The bank bailout was supposed to have been $4T and that somehow got funded. Maybe funds could be moved from something else.

Let's say that money wasn't an issue. I don't think it would bother me, but wouldn't some people be concerned that there would be a bunch of people who would apply for more benefits so they could get both? ISTM that there are already a lot of people who are upset that some people are getting benefits at all. Wouldn't there be even more upset people if some people got two servings of government benefits?

That said, Yang has said that he would help people who might be affected by the regressive nature of the VAT, like those people who opted out of the UBI but are on a fixed income. If they can structure the VAT correctly, taxing the luxury goods over the necessities, that might also help to correct for some of the issues. If they can structure the VAT correctly and help people who might be adversely affected by it, that might alleviate the issue of people on benefits getting less.
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Let's say that money wasn't an issue. I don't think it would bother me, but wouldn't some people be concerned that there would be a bunch of people who would apply for more benefits so they could get both? ISTM that there are already a lot of people who are upset that some people are getting benefits at all. Wouldn't there be even more upset people if some people got two servings of government benefits
Thank you for your detailed response. This gives me a clearer picture of the proposal. I just wanted to comment on this. Are you suggesting that it is *politically* untenable because if the perception arose that he was helping out those 'freeloaders' 'living high off the hog on the government's dime' he would lose critical votes? Its not "two servings" tho. These people include those who literally depend on that disability assistance for subsistence. A program that promises a benefit of $1000/month should not be affected by anything. Ideally, at least. If they weren't disabled, already at a societal disadvantage, they wouldn't need that pittance from the government meant to offset that disadvantage (however slight that offset is). The money meant to offset those disadvantages should reset the meter to 0.00 for these folks. After all, by offsetting a disadvantage, you shore up need. And those disabled folk who are currently getting disability benefits and not much else are some of the most in need of that $1000/month. I understand the realities of the matter and why it is designed the way it is. But consider me a definite non-Yang supporter.
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I'm not surprised.

But would you be a Yang supporter if the plan was the $1,000/mo above the other government benefits programs?
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Here's some calculations someone did about the Freedom Dividend on Reddit:



Without the reduction for benefits that are already being paid, there would need to be an additional roughly $1.4T that would need to be accounted for.

But let's say that were possible. The bank bailout was supposed to have been $4T and that somehow got funded. Maybe funds could be moved from something else.

Let's say that money wasn't an issue. I don't think it would bother me, but wouldn't some people be concerned that there would be a bunch of people who would apply for more benefits so they could get both? ISTM that there are already a lot of people who are upset that some people are getting benefits at all. Wouldn't there be even more upset people if some people got two servings of government benefits?

That said, Yang has said that he would help people who might be affected by the regressive nature of the VAT, like those people who opted out of the UBI but are on a fixed income. If they can structure the VAT correctly, taxing the luxury goods over the necessities, that might also help to correct for some of the issues. If they can structure the VAT correctly and help people who might be adversely affected by it, that might alleviate the issue of people on benefits getting less.
The cited numbers there are a bit off. Remember we ran them here, with believable sources.

Cost is estimated by most to be $3T at the lowest with most estimating $3.8T, not $2.8T

A broad-based 10% VAT (which would be very regressive in its impact) would raise not $800B but maybe $500B.

Predictions of economic growth and reductions of poverty savings are a bit of handwaving trickledown style magical thinking. Leave it as quite debatable.

The shortfall is much worse than that "someone did" some calculations would suggest. Even with the elimination major benefit programs (such as disability, retirement & social security, welfare, and unemployment benefits) it's a $1T/yr shortfall.

Narrow the VAT so it is of less severe regressivity and of course the funding side drops down dramatically. Reduce the regressivity of the benefit side, same.

Yang's proposal includes imposing regressive new consumer taxes on the poorest while keeping their benefits static and giving new benefits, as big as the poorest get for need, to the wealthiest. He presents it as things it clearly is not and that he surely knows is what it is not and he claims the numbers add to what simple math shows they do not.

Look I'd love it if he got up to a few percent of support as I personally would prefer many other choices to Sanders and Yang is more likely to draw from that pool than anywhere else. He won't. Still the ideas he proposes are bad ideas that are more trickledown repackaged than anything else, trying to sell everyone that there is free money for everyone, or implying incorrectly that Amazon and such will pay for it.

Some of his supporters are just repeating false information that he is selling. When he says those things, knowing better, he is lying. That has to be called out.

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Some of his supporters are just repeating false information that he is selling. When he says those things, knowing better, he is lying. That has to be called out.
Yes. The budgeting shortfall is what I would normally consider standard political bullshittng but pretending his VAT is a tax on big tech companies is over the line.
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Last night's (5/3/19) Seattle rally was amazing. The RSVP on Facebook wasn't that high the day before, so I wasn't expecting to see a big crowd. But the reporter who covered it said it was estimated to be 3,000. I'm not good at estimating those things, but it was a crowd that looked almost as large as LA's rally. The crowd was pumped up more than the LA crowd. I watched (on livestream) as Yang was going through the crowd at the entrance. He didn't realize how large the crowd was until he got to the stage, so you could tell he wasn't prepared to see that many people.

The guy who introduced Yang at the rally was Dan Price, the CEO of Gravity Payments, who gave his employees a minimum wage of $70K/yr while cutting his own salary from $1M to $70K to fund it. He got backlash for it. That was back in 2015. He says his company is doing well now. It's truly amazing how mad some people get when other people get more even if they're unaffected.

I just looked up the story. At the rally, Price mostly talked about the babies that were being born to employees and how an employee was able to buy a new house in Washington state. His business increased as well, according to wiki.

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From reading the articles on what happened, some companies started to change their policies toward more income inequality, but some people were really upset that it was upsetting the status quo.

I can see why Price is supporting Yang and how their efforts have a common bond.

The Boston Globe has an updated New Hampshire front runner list. It's behind a paywall but the comment on the subreddit says that Yang is 8th on the list.

On the policy side, there's a recent study that shows that economic policies can reduce the number of suicide deaths. While this isn't exactly the same as the Freedom Dividend, it might apply equally since people getting more money seems to help.

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On the fun side, yesterday, Yang was setting up the #maythe4th. . . be with you and Star Wars stuff. The icon on his website brandished a laser saber. The guy who created it told me that something even more cool was coming today. He didn't tell me what it was, so maybe it was this video of Yang with a Star Wars theme.

I really enjoyed Yang's recent newsletter where he writes a bit about the behind the scenes things that go on in a campaign and his feelings about them. He starts out by talking about the behaviors that are required to create a campaign, like going to TV studios, putting on make-up and saying positive things about the campaign. While those are necessary, there are other parts too.

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I’ve said in various forums that I don’t much care for the actual job of being a politician. It’s true. I think one of the reasons we despair for our future is that politicians traffic in certain behaviors and get rewarded for them. There is little need for deep thought or consideration. We lurch from press release to press release, from cable news appearance to cable news appearance, from speech to speech, with the constant buzz of our approval and popularity in the background. And money is tied to that approval. At first, I was horrified that how many social media follows I got was now a key deliverable. I was like, “I’m a grown man now evaluating myself like an eighth-grader.” (Eighth Grade was a good movie.)

But I adapted. Because I have a job to do.

We all do.

I will do what it takes to get this job done. We are off to a tremendous start thanks to all of you. We have the capacity to change the course of our country for the better. But I need your help.
He talked about how he's an introvert and how that makes it surprising that someone like him could be running for President.

Yang is in Detroit today doing another rally. He's joking about doing an 8-mile re-eanactment there.
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Whoa. I tuned into a livestream rally several days ago on 5/5. I'm getting addicted to watching these rallies online live. I looked at the crowd and thought they were replaying an old video from LA or Seattle. It was a rally in Minneapolis, MN. I was expecting some people in a mall or something. The crowd size rivaled Seattle's crowd. The crowd enthusiasm matched or beat Seattle's enthusiasm. It wasn't until Yang mentioned Minneapolis that I realized I was watching the right crowd. Only 600 people RSVPed for this event. If Seattle's crowd was in the thousands, this must have been at least as big.

Where are these people coming from? The subReddit has 17K subscribers, twitter has 260K followers. I don't have Facebook, so maybe they're from there. But even his online presence wouldn't make me think that this amount of people would show up for his rallies.

When I see the numbers of people at these rallies, I'm reminded of how the campaign is growing all the time. Here's a collage of his rallies to date.

I'm also seeing some fun stories from people who have been to these rallies. It's really heartwarming to see people happy about something. Here's a guy from the Detroit rally taking a selfie with Yang. Met Yang at the Detroit Rally yesterday. Got to go on stage and everything!

Here's another story that goes with a picture. Thank you, Andrew, for giving me the opportunity to make the world a better place.

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At the end of our fundraising event, I walked Andrew to his car. I wanted to thank him for coming. Before I could, he put his arm around me and said, “Thanks, Bill, for hosting such a great event!”

I put my arm around him as well. I knew it was my opportunity to tell Andrew how much I appreciated him. These are the words that came out of my mouth, “Thank you for giving me an opportunity to make the world a better place. As a kindergarten teacher, I get to wear a cape to work. I know that I am making a difference in my school and my community. Now, I get to make an impact on our country and possibly the world.”

It was one of those moments when your words give you goosebumps as you talk; a moment when your voice starts to crackle a little as your heart expands into your throat. I was able to compose myself.

I finished with, “We are all behind you 100%!”

I got a “Thanks, Bill!” One of those sincere thank you‘s that only Andrew and authentic people can offer.

This past Thursday was a very important moment in my life. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you.
And another one with a guy wearing a t-shirt that says, "Born before the internet" with a picture of a dinosaur on it.

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Just met @AndrewYang here in Seattle. He was spectacular. I even got my hat signed.
Nice article in the Washington Post. The Technology 202: Andrew Yang says Uber, Lyft protests show why it's urgent Democrats debate future of work. It's in response to the Uber/Lyft protests.

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“We need to stop living in a fantasy land where we think these companies are supposed to treat us like family members and employ us for years,” Yang said in an interview. “Their incentives are in the opposite direction.”
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Sarah Ford, a spokeswoman for his campaign, told me in a statement. “Bernie understands when the United States has strong protections for unions, we have a strong middle class.”

But Yang warned that giving drivers collective bargaining rights would only be “one piece of the puzzle.” He said unions have weakened over the past 50 years, and that alone would not solve the drivers' problems.
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“It's very hard to turn back the clock,” Yang told me in an interview. “We have to stop pretending it's the 1960s.”
Considering that Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post and runs Amazon, the company Yang continually talks about in his stump speech, the idea that The Washington Post would write a positive piece on Yang might be considered strange. But the rally in Seattle showed that a lot of people from Amazon back Yang. It's been written that Amazon employees know they're working to find ways to work themselves out of a job. Maybe the people at The Washington Post are in the same camp.

An entire piece of Stephen Colbert mocking Yang's campaign. Doin' It Donkey Style: Andrew Yang

Another trucker for Yang. "I'm a Staunch Republican... I'm Willing to Give Him a Shot" | Andrew Yang for President

Brett Baier on Fox News did an interview with Yang. It was a nice interview. It gave a chance to answer to the Colbert piece about the Powerpoint! chant. Yang's rallies have turned into interactive participation. When Yang talks about changing the measurements on which success will be built and measured, the crowd chants Powerpoint. It gives a sense that people who show up to those rallies know what the campaign is about before they show up.

Another Yang newsletter. This one's cute. It has a picture of Yang and his campaign manager sharing a meal out of a styrofoam container in the front seat of a car. He analogizes his campaign team to a family. His campaign manager is the dad. Even though Yang is a dad, CEO and head of the campaign, within that structure, he considers himself to be playing the role of the baby.

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So then I said, “Wait a minute. If Zach is the Dad of this family, what am I?”

And then it dawned on me—I’m the baby.

I realized a bunch of things very quickly:

People are taking care of me all of the time.
Staffers have my favorite foods around.
If I get in a bad mood, everyone around me suffers.
My schedule determines everyone else’s.
Others are grooming me, sometimes several times a day.

The parallels were eerie. Zach is the patient Dad. Carly, the energetic sister. Luke is the quiet son. And I am the kid around which the world revolves.
Yang will be in New Hampshire through the weekend with multiple events there. Then they're hoping for a large rally in New York next week.
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... When I see the numbers of people at these rallies, I'm reminded of how the campaign is growing all the time. ...
Yeah! The latest polling has him surging to 1%!!!
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Yang has been in New Hampshire, doing a lot of smaller venues.

He's had some good press in the last couple days.

This Washington Post article is a nice (and positive) summary of his campaign. Who is that guy? Andrew Yang’s presidential campaign draws crowds, money and an expected spot on the Democratic debate stage.

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But Yang has become something of a below-the-radar phenomenon in the crowded field of candidates vying for the Democratic presidential nomination. Some candidates far better known than him have been struggling to catch fire on social media and are playing to smaller audiences; Yang has been packing in some of the largest crowds in the race — an estimated 3,000 in San Francisco; 2,000 in Los Angeles; and 2,500 in Seattle, where he paused the rally to point out a pair of bald eagles soaring overhead.
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Yang hasn’t yet assembled a traditional political infrastructure. His staff, mostly people in their 20s and early 30s who are new to politics, numbers fewer than a dozen. But his online army of support has elevated his profile immeasurably.
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Indeed, Yang’s crowds are notable for their diversity. Darrin Lowery, a 51-year-old social worker from Chicago, turned out after hearing Yang make his pitch to black voters on “The Breakfast Club” radio show.
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Andy Stern, a former president of the Service Employees International Union who is friendly with Yang, cautioned that Yang needs “a breakout moment.”

“I don’t think people are looking at Andrew yet and say he’s someone who can win,” said Stern, who, like Yang, is an evangelist for a universal basic income.
This article is really positive. Yang's crowds are diverse in a lot of ways, but not so much in others. The political diversity seems high. Just judging by how people look, the income levels look represented. But race and gender diversity aren't ideal. . . yet. But it's nice to see a positive article. And importantly, the article is from Iowa. Hopefully, that helps in Iowa.

The actual rally numbers from Yang's campaign manager:

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Austin: 700
San Francisco: 3,000
Chicago: 1,000
Boston: 800
Atlanta: 1,500
Los Angeles: 3,000
Las Vegas: 500
Des Moines: 300
Seattle: 4,000
Detroit: 650
Minneapolis: 1,000
Some comments from Nate Silver:

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And maybe Yang is sui generis enough to belong in his own category.
The news in New Hampshire is reporting that his events in NH are moving the needle some. Yang presidential campaign starts to register in NH polls

Another great interview with Tucker Carlson. Yang: Amazon needs to pay their fair share Tucker was positive and promoted Yang's ideas. The comment section of the video was mostly positive.

I have to admit that I was dismayed by how dismissive Colbert was toward Yang in the monologue a couple nights ago. People are saying that all publicity is good, so it's all good. But it wasn't just that he was joking, it was that his jokes missed the point. Happily, Yang's PR mgr. just announced Yang is now booked on Colbert right before the debates. At least he'll have a quick chance to make his case.

The YangGang is trying very hard to get Andrew on The Hot Ones. They were trying to get the producers' attention when they were doing a live AMA on reddit the other day.

I was listening to this interview on New Hampshire Public Radio and thinking about how people calling in seem to think they're the first person to think of a question that's been asked dozens, maybe hundreds of times before. It's sort of like watching a long-running TV show and someone asking a question about it you're heard so many times before like they're the first to think of it. I admire Yang's ability to patiently explain the same thing for the umpteenth time with enough respect for the person like it was the first.

Street art of Yang in Washington, DC.

Just randomly, I was looking at the funding of the 2020 candidates on opensecrets. Just noticed that the candidates who don't have outside money are also not getting much media. Could be a cause or an effect. The correlation isn't 100%.
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There was some good press from this weekend's New Hampshire meetings. Yang was joined by Steve Marchand, who is an ex-mayor of a city in New Hampshire and Yang's senior advisor. From Steve Marchand's twitter:

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While Yang is just starting to capture some lightning in a bottle,
Another nice article from New Hampshire: Decoding the Vibe: Make America What Again, Andrew Yang?

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Make America Think Again. His vibe is hopeful, prepared and potentially amazing. I may have to get that hat and join the Yang Gang.
In the meantime, there are some interesting one-off positive comments. Adam Corolla talked about Yang in his podcast very favorably. It starts at 10:41 on part 2 of the 5/13/19 podcast. Corolla liked the VAT idea that he saw on Tucker Carlson.

On Bill Maher, Matt Lewis mentioned Yang. Maher was asking Lewis who he planned to vote for. Lewis said that he wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden. He mentioned Yang but then noted he could decide not to vote and still complain about the outcome. Maher mentioned that Yang was on the schedule in June for his show.

The Washington Post also had a podcast about Yang's campaign from a reporter who has been following him. Starts on minute 8. She was talking about the Chicago rally, which was a couple months ago where there were a bunch of people jammed into a crowded space. She noted the diversity of the crowd and how enthused they were.

There's a piece in Time magazine: How Andrew Yang's Online Following Has Turned Into a Real-Life Coalition

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The upstart campaign has won Yang a fervent following on Twitter and Reddit. But it’s also translating into real life. Yang is drawing some surprisingly large crowds. In polls, he often runs even with or ahead of other better-known and more experienced Democratic candidates. He’s managed to qualify for the first Democratic debate next month on the strength of that and his fundraising. Yang likes to tout political analyst Nate Silver’s proclamation that he’s no more “of a long shot than several other candidates.”
Then a quirky piece written by a college student. It was still interesting, I thought. The Catholic Case for Andrew Yang

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Andrew Yang’s seemingly outlandish ideas might strike observers as unattainable and material for memes. However, what matters more than their practicality, considering that Yang is polling at an average of 1.3%, is the fact that policies furthering Catholic values will get a mention in the Democratic primary.
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What remains to be seen, however, is whether Democratic Catholics will listen, and whether Yang’s presence will force other candidates to consider their appeals to human dignity, the common good, solidarity, and subsidiarity.
The Yang Gang is planning a service day over Memorial day weekend.

Yang is speaking at the Blockchain Week NYC and CoinDesk’s Consensus 2019 event

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This year headline speakers include FedEx’s Fred Smith, Fidelity’s Abigail Johnson, Twitter and Square’s Jack Dorsey, chairman of the U.S. Securities Exchange Commission, Jay Clayton, and U.S. presidential hopeful, Andrew Yang.
The big event this week is a rally planned in NYC. Then he heads to South Carolina. From Yang's twitter:

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Yang is polling at 2% in South Carolina.
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On the technology front.

A company in Sweden just released a self-driving truck on a short stretch of public road. The company plans to apply for permits for larger stretches next year.

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Currently, the T-Pod can make short trips between a warehouse and a terminal on a public road in an industrial area in Jonkoping.
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The truck can reach speeds of up to 85 kilometers per hour (53 miles per hour), but is only allowed to drive at 5 kilometers per hour (3 miles per hour) during the trial. The speed limit was set by the Swedish Transport Agency.
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A Joe Rogan sound-alike.

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However, the company is well aware of the potential dangers of such a system. They even provide a bullet-pointed list of all the ways it could go wrong, noting that someone could impersonate a government official to enter a high-security facility or a politician to manipulate an election.

These potentially nefarious uses are why Dessa says it won’t publicly release its research, model, or datasets for the project.
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On the social media front.


The Yang Gang have a new offfical tumblr for the more fun stuff of the campaign, as well as graphics heavy stuff. Sounds fun. I've already seen a graphic of useful stats I like.

A Yang article made the front page of r/politics on Reddit. It got roughly 2K comments and over 9K upvotes. Andrew Yang wants to tax Amazon and Google like oil so every American can get $1,000 a month — no questions asked

On the regular media front.

Yang was on Fox News, this time with Martha MacCallum. She gave Bernie a hard time in the town hall. But when she couldn't get Yang riled, she asked if he was too nice to beat Trump.

Reuters had a pretty nice article on Yang.

Yang did a presentation at a bitcoin event. 5 articles on Yang from the crypto world.

CNN put up a photo profile of Yang. Baby Yang!

One of Yang's policies is Democracy Dollars where each citizen would be given $100 to be used to support a candidate for that year only. Seattle is now using a similar method that is gaining some interest. One guy collecting those dollars from the people is overtaking corporate lobbyist money.

Amy Walter (NPR) interviewed Yang on a podcast.

With each passing week, it becomes more evident that the right-wing media is more civil to Yang than the left. Maybe it's just my bias, but the left-wing media questions exasperate me more than the right. It's not just the questions. Those are the same ones without fail. It's the framing, the tone and the lack of imagination.

The most significant media event of the week. He made it to the NYT crossword puzzle!

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...he’s also made it to the NYT mini crossword puzzle.
On the campaign front.

The NYC rally didn't go as planned. It was planned for weeks, but the day of the rally, it was pouring freezing rain. Still ~2500-3000 people showed up in the freezing rain. It wasn't the turnout they were hoping for, but considering the circumstances, still a pretty good showing. This is from Yang's newsletter about the event. (He writes all his own newsletters.)

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On Tuesday night, we held our long-anticipated outdoor rally in Washington Square Park in New York. Our team had been planning this event for weeks in advance. We were working around the clock to make it a success. Then, we woke up Tuesday morning to find it was going to rain.

We became worried that nobody would show up—but instead, when I arrived at the rally site, there were nearly 3,000 supporters gathered in the pouring rain.

At that moment, I realized we never should have doubted. The Yang Gang is energized and ready to win this election. A little rain won’t stop us.

In fact, the rain had an upside: it shocked the reporters who were covering the rally in the media tent in the back.

One reporter even told my staff that he could not believe our massive turnout. His exact words?

“None of this makes any sense!”
I wrote to one guy who posted about the rally on the sub. I told him it was great that he showed up in the rain. He was so pumped up about the rally that he didn't seem to care about the rain.

There's a picture of a sea of umbrellas as the rain poured on the crowd.

I love this video of drone footage of the Seattle rally a few weeks ago. It's really well done, shows the size of the crowd and just feels cinematic. The backdrop is beautiful.

Yang is in South Carolina this weekend. There are several hundred people signed up for his events this weekend.
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