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Old 06-19-2015, 09:42 AM
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An 2014 article from Buzzfeed :
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins...ump#.ijo2WgGze

A well written, candid look at the guy, leaves you wondering at the complicated mess of ego, insecurity, savvy, and the weird consequences of living in a bubble, surrounded by sycophants. I almost felt sorry for him.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:58 AM
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It would be a requirement that he put his business and investments into a blind trust.

But we all know that will never happen. He's never been a serious candidate and the chances of him actually being elected are zero. Not "close to zero", actual zero.
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Trump reminds me of Huang Qiaoling, the Chinese billionaire who's built a replica of the White House and has his subordinates address him as Mr President. These guys have no desire (or ability) to actually do the work of being President; they just enjoy the trappings of the office. The main difference is that Trump, unlike Huang, is technically eligible to run for President of the United States so he can role-play at a higher level. (Conversely, you could argue that Huang is a lot richer than Trump and therefore can afford a better set of toys. Huang was able to skip running for President. He just built a White House and moved in.)
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Well, it's true that Krauthammer does nothing but sit there and be a jerk, but it's unfair to pick on him for the "sitting there" part.
It depends which McDonalds sign he drives by on the way to the venue.
Good point. So long as he's worth at least $2 billion, he could say "billions and billions," just like the Mickey Dee signs, and actually be correct.
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I for one would like to see a reporter ask him how he intended to force Mexico to pay for a wall that we would build along our border.
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He's Hillary's early Christmas present. Just wait till the debates. He's going to suck all the oxygen from the room. The only sound bites you're going to remember will be his. The highlights that get repeated for three days will be him bashing his fellow Republicans. I can't wait for the first one, even though it's on Fox.
Could be secretly be a Democrat?
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Anyone read this in the National Review?

Holy cow, that was scathing.

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Anyone read this in the National Review?

Holy cow, that was scathing.
Just the title: Witless Ape Rides Escalator -- I can't believe I read that in the National Review, let alone the rest of the article.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:14 AM
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Business Insider: There's something odd about Donald Trump's Facebook page
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What Trump does have is a large fan base in countries that researchers have deemed hubs for Facebook fraud. Specifically, they are home to "like farms" — services through which companies or individuals can buy Facebook likes using zombie accounts run by people who may be paid as little as $120 a year.
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Trump goes after Charles Krauthammer with wheelchair jab.

The Donald may find himself not invited back to Fox. At any rate, a conundrum for those good folks - who do they support in this kerfuffle?
To be fair to Trump, I don't think that's a wheelchair jab, because he's saying the same thing about non-quadraplegic George Will.I think when he was saying "they sit there and and haven't done anything....", he means, "I'm supersucessful Donald Trump. I've written the best book ever, I have a lot of money, I have the biggest tv show on TV, and they haven't done anything but criticize."
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A Facebook friend just re-posted a quote from Trump's FB page about how terrible Obamacare is. It was an incoherent, cherry-picking mess of a quote, even less connected to reality than the usual GOP anti-Obamacare rants. Yet my friend forwarded it, and other people clicked the like button. The Hairpiece is going to get votes in the primaries, lots of them, more than enough to justify keeping his campaign going as long as he wants. Which may only be until he has to make financial disclosures - but with the FEC so toothless, that could be a long time.

ETA: That same FB friend of mine also just re-posted a petition to get SC to take down the Confederate flag. People are complicated.

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Just the title: Witless Ape Rides Escalator -- I can't believe I read that in the National Review, let alone the rest of the article.
From the article:

"The problem with messiah complexes is that there’s no way to know whether you are going to rise on the third day unless somebody crucifies you. Trump has announced, and I say we get started on that."
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:04 PM
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"The problem with messiah complexes is that there’s no way to know whether you are going to rise on the third day unless somebody crucifies you. Trump has announced, and I say we get started on that."
This writer is certainly sharpening the nails.

The picture's becoming much clearer now. The establishment Republicans want to bust Trump out of the race ASAP, before he does too much damage to the others in the clown car. He's more likely to do damage to them than to Hilary or any other Democrat.
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There's some solid questions as to whether or not he's even a Billionaire once you count his debts. "Fuckface Von Clownstick" greatly inflates the imaginary "brand value" of his name and includes that in his estimates of his net worth. No one in the real world is going to tell you that this is real wealth.

There's a precisely ZERO chance that he sticks around long enough to do a full disclosure.
One more than one occasion, he has either threatened to file a lawsuit, or has actually filed, different media outlets because they under-reported his net worth by calling a millionaire instead of billionaire.

Every time I think of Donald Trump, this Colbert Report clip comes to mind.
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Understand something:

Trump. Is. NOT. Running.

He can give speeches all he wants, but he hasn't filed with the FEC as a candidate for President, and he isn't going to.

As he always does, he's going to milk this for a lot of publicity, and then drop out. He has no constituency, and he knows it. He doesn't want to be President- he doesn't even want to campaign. He just likes attention, positive OR negative.
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Well, the longer he stays "in," the more damage he does to the Republican side of anything, so here's hoping he's "in" for quite a while.
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Old 06-20-2015, 04:30 PM
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Total promo for his show. So transparent.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:08 PM
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You may be onto something. Footwear News (it's real) has reported that "shoe designer Ivanka Trump" has thrown her support behind Donald Trump.

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She will turn 35 on October 30, 2016, so she will be just barely old enough to run.
And yet too old to continue being a Mrs Trump.
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I suggest that you look her up. Then you'll understand why so many of us are going "EEEWWWWW!" right now.
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Old 06-21-2015, 04:25 PM
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And yet too old to continue being a Mrs Trump.
Who and what are you talking about? Ivanka Trump is his daughter.
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Old 06-21-2015, 04:27 PM
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This is starting to sound like Chinatown.
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Old 06-21-2015, 04:33 PM
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Good point. So long as he's worth at least $2 billion, he could say "billions and billions," just like the Mickey Dee signs, and actually be correct.
In my book it takes $4 billion to have "billions and billions". $2 billion is just "billion and billion".
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for a short time in 1992 Perot led in the polls. And then he went nuts. Still ended up with 19%.

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Old 06-21-2015, 04:45 PM
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he will not be taken seriously enough to get the nomination.
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Total promo for his show. So transparent.
You have now made your claim on four separate occasions. Enough. Drop it.

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And yet too old to continue being a Mrs Trump.
Shoe designer Ivanka Trump is the daughter of Donald Trump Sr and Ivana Trump. (Notice the "k" in Ivanka.) Ivana and Donald are divorced. Ivana is currently 66 years old. To the best of my knowledge, Ivanka has never married any member of the Trump family.

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Well, the longer he stays "in," the more damage he does to the Republican side of anything, so here's hoping he's "in" for quite a while.
I don't know. This could be part of a more sophisticated plan.

You can't win the Republican nomination without pandering to the Tea Party and Evangelical wing of the party. But you can't win the general election by alienating the moderate voters.

But like Mitt Romney, if you act like a "severe conservative" during the primaries and then try to remake yourself as a more moderate mainstream sort of guy during the general election, the moderates are going to view you as an opportunistic hypocrite.

So, you put in the Donald to soak up the radical vote and take them out of play. The remaining candidates take more moderate stances in the debates. Before the convention, the Donald drops out, releases his delegates and throws his support to the most electable candidate. The eventual nominee then does not have to backpedal on any radical positions. The nominee still gets the Tea Party and Evangelical vote (it's not like these people are going to vote for Hillary or Bernie) and does not have to backpedal on everything he said during the primary, so he has an actual shot with the moderate voters.

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Old 06-22-2015, 09:36 AM
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I don't know. This could be part of a more sophisticated plan.

You can't win the Republican nomination without pandering to the Tea Party and Evangelical wing of the party. But you can't win the general election by alienating the moderate voters.

But like Mitt Romney, if you act like a "severe conservative" during the primaries and then try to remake yourself as a more moderate mainstream sort of guy during the general election, the moderates are going to view you as an opportunistic hypocrite.

So, you put in the Donald to soak up the radical vote and take them out of play. The remaining candidates take more moderate stances in the debates. Before the convention, the Donald drops out, releases his delegates and throws his support to the most electable candidate. The eventual nominee then does not have to backpedal on any radical positions. The nominee still gets the Tea Party and Evangelical vote (it's not like these people are going to vote for Hillary or Bernie) and does not have to backpedal on everything he said during the primary, so he has an actual shot with the moderate voters.
This theoretically could work, but a lot of the positions the regular candidates have taken are pretty extreme. So they couldn't sound more moderate, they would have to agree with Trump but just have to say that they'd phrase things differently. I'm pretty sure that other Republicans want to build a border fence with Mexico, just Trump is the only one who insists he can get Mexico to pay for it. I think I posted already that an RNC official wouldn't disagree with Trump's rambling anti-immigrant talk. Trump has been the loudest about wanting to see Obama's birth certificate, but Huckabee and Jindal have also mentioned that they wanted to see it.

So it's possible with some verbal gymnastics that some of the Republican candidates could sound moderate and downright reasonable in comparison to Trump on some issues. But it's also possible that Trump's crazy talk could shine a light on how some of them support the same things, just without having crazy hair and referring to themselves in the third person.
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Remember when Howard Stern ran for gov. of NY in 94? Another publicity stunt that did not last long.
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The Donald has formally filed the paperwork.
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Will all the Ayn Randians of the Internet transfer their magisterial imprimatur from the Pauls, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and other wannabes to the Real Deal ? Mr. Trump is the authentic Randian Hero.


Will the grim-faced libertarian tendency in the Party follow suit ? Will he denounce his opponents as looters ? Will he set his image on the Trump White House ? All glitter and gold with gigantic posters and carvings of himself... Mount Rushmore beckons...




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Old 06-22-2015, 09:20 PM
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Will all the Ayn Randians of the Internet transfer their magisterial imprimatur from the Pauls, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and other wannabes to the Real Deal ? Mr. Trump is the authentic Randian Hero.
I guessing the objectivists and libertarians will stick with Paul.

I'm not sure who Trump's base is. Plutocrats? Reality show fans? Beauty pageant contestants?
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I don't know. This could be part of a more sophisticated plan.
I agree. So, just for a second, lets put blinders on & pretend Trump isn't as stupid as he looks.
Running is free press and a platform for his ideas and it is free publicity for his show. Still its an obvious hoax... but for what purpose? He has to know that his campaign will be closely scrutized by people in media... so what does he do?

Kudos to Rachel Maddow for picking it up and reporting on it first (that I know of):

Trump Hiring Actors to Fill Out his Campaign Announcement

This was quickly seen and reported... but instead of laughing, lets postulate why (again, lets assume no one throws that much money away just to look like an ass coast-to-coast).
If you put out there that casting companies can and will, for a price, fill out a candidate's audiences and crowds with actors to Look like supporters, possibly even to make a crowd look more diverse and multi cultural...
then its out there that in 2016, it is acceptable for a Presidential Candidate to actively and currently do this.

Some people are accusing Bernie Sanders of doing this too (unsubstantiated internet rumor, no cite available) but that makes it seem like all the candidates of all parties are doing this.
Once that's out there, belief can no longer be suspended. All crowds are suddenly suspect and possibly bought/fake and the average TV viewer of legal voting age can't trust their own eyes.

So, why would someone want to do that... actively try to make it look like campaign crowds are all easily rigged and that viewers can't trust their eyes? Who wins if the Base of any candidate as seen at public appearances and even live on TV
can now be called into question? Doesn't that totally discredit the appearance of ANY large multicultural crowd of support for ANY presidential candidate... and if it discredits the base of any candidate, doesn't it discredit the base of every candidate running?

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume that it does. So, beyond large crowds of support (which can't be believed) how can candidates get what they want to say out to the average voter?

Enter the slick political media production company, stage right. In media production, the best product Always costs the most money, whether the ad is positive or negative.
This would mean that in this election *shocker* the most money takes all, popular support be damned.


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My best guess is that Trump isn't going to be out there past August because he won't Have to be. Mission Accomplished. Good Job, Donny.
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OMFG, Trump trails only Jeb! in a New Hampshire GOP poll: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politi...oll/index.html
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OMFG, Trump trails only Jeb! in a New Hampshire GOP poll: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politi...oll/index.html
Yes, I think many here will be shocked to see how will Trump does. Not only with Reps, but with Independents. A LOT of people are really tired of the same old bullshit. A lot on the left, too, but for them Trumps more conservative politics make him not an option.
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Joseph Campbell 101 : The Reluctant Hero


Be engaging if his announcement started off as an advertisement/playfulness and then slowly his support --- beyond his seeking --- grows to the point he becomes un homme sérieux, moved by the plaints of his supporters/The People to the understanding he must do this thing, and save us all !




In that case, never would it be more true as he set out upon his destiny, that he could humbly assure The People, 'This is not my doing, but yours; this is not my triumph, but yours.'





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Yes, I think many here will be shocked to see how will Trump does. Not only with Reps, but with Independents. A LOT of people are really tired of the same old bullshit. A lot on the left, too, but for them Trumps more conservative politics make him not an option.
It's not Trump's conservative politics, it's his conspiracy theorizing, his racist statements, his comically enormous ego, and his overall nuttiness.
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OMFG, Trump trails only Jeb! in a New Hampshire GOP poll:
Obviously many respondents are just playing with the pollers.
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My best guess is that Trump isn't going to be out there past August because he won't Have to be. Mission Accomplished. Good Job, Donny.
You think that Trump is volunteering himself as a stalking horse for the GOP? Have you met his ego?
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OMFG, Trump trails only Jeb! in a New Hampshire GOP poll: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politi...oll/index.html
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Pollsters tend to caution that surveys more than six months before any votes are cast may simply be registering each contender's name recognition -- of which Trump has plenty. Trump also joins a crowded GOP field in which none of the candidates — including Bush — have been able to break out of the pack.

In the 2012 cycle, several candidates with a penchant for making headlines with their controversial claims -- such as businessman Herman Cain and former Rep. Michele Bachmann and even Trump himself (though not an official candidate) -- also garnered top spots in early polls only to crash to Earth as the campaign dragged on.
It's not terribly uncommon for a candidate to announce, their poll numbers start fairly high, and then go down as their stands on the issues is made more specific. I would guess that his poll numbers will go down as he starts to do more "campaigning".
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You think that Trump is volunteering himself as a stalking horse for the GOP? Have you met his ego?
Is his ego that thing on his head?
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No. His ego would be the size a circus tent.

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OMFG, Trump trails only Jeb! in a New Hampshire GOP poll: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politi...oll/index.html
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The margin of error is +/-4.4 percent at a 95 percent level of confidence.
So Trump's support is somewhere between 15.4 and 6.6. His error bars would overlap with candidates who the report showed at 3% or higher. His numbers are not significantly different than those for Bush, Walker, Rubio, Carson, Christie, Paul, Cruz, or Fiorina. "No statistical difference between the top nine Republican candidates" isn't much of a headline for CNN though.

An interesting piece not covered in the article is that the poll also asked about who should get to participate in a debate from the gigantic field. Trump is #11 for people wanting him in the debate The poll link also includes this (with my emphasis added):

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Overall, 49 percent of likely voters had an unfavorable opinion of Trump, while 37 percent viewed him positively. Among those favorable to Trump, 89 percent want him in the debates, but among those unfavorable to him, 32 percent want him in.

“This is where Trump’s unfavorability is limiting people’s tolerance to hear what he has to say, and voters would rather see other candidates in the debate,” said Paleologos. “Trump’s controversial candidacy is being constructed in a way that gives him visibility and exposure in the short term but may also limit his growth in the long run, like a glass ceiling.”
His campaign manager has their work cut out to break through that ceiling.
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You think that Trump is volunteering himself as a stalking horse for the GOP? Have you met his ego?
I've never met his ego; I've heard some of his statements and yes if any man on earth could inflate two Goodyear Blimps with hot air from both ends at the same time, its probably him.
That said (and those 4 bankruptcies aside) I can't remember a time when he has ever thrown away money; to be in the race, even just this far, must have cost him personally million$.

Trump tends to think through things in an "investment > shock advertisement > fleece the crowd > get out early" format.
We've seen so far the investment & the shock advertisement to draw the crowd... but make no mistake, there IS a hook that's coming. That we can't see it or flesh out its profit function should worry us.

(...unless it is just to be a stalking horse with the payoff being that he feels that some of his riskier investments will yield enough more under Jeb than Hillary to be worth all this.)

Keep in mind that Republicans still do pick running mates from former candidates and announce at their convention. He could very easily play the "I'm Bat-Shit Crazy, so nothing better ever happen to the President" Veep card.
He'd be playing one-on-one against Christie to be Jeb-Veep, and so far he makes Christie look low-key.
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No candidate would ever, ever, ever pick Trump as his running mate, and his ego is not at all suited to taking the #2 spot. That's crazy talk.

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Old 06-25-2015, 09:12 AM
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No candidate would ever, ever, ever pick Trump as his running mate, and his ego is not at all suited to taking the #2 spot. That's crazy talk.
I understand... and maybe you are correct. Still, I'd rather see him as somebody's #2 rather than Christie, whose governing style hasn't been seen in leadership role in a Western country since twentieth century Southern Europe.
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