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I think both sides, at least those that are aware of him, do not much like Tim Pool.
Well, like him or not, one side, clearly, is willing to be allied with him for now. It's plain as day in the comments. Btw as a general note, this is a much younger crowd than FOX draws.

You know what's funny about Tim, late last year he put out a video, "You're Memeing Ocasio-Cortez Toward The Presidency," in which he says so much free media coverage worked in Trump's favor and warned of how the same "no press is bad press" could hold true for AOC. The gentle listeners had to remind him the meme makers were the ones on Trump's side.
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Trump is the one who claimed that the "president of Puerto Rico" was corrupt.
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Another example of Trump's psychological projection.
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Tim Pool claims to be a moderate democrat.
So does Carl "Sargon of Akkad" Benjamin, who is now standing for election for UKIP. Reactionaries and nazis tend to claim to be democrats, because hiding that you're a goddamn fascist by claiming to be a republican is counterproductive.
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Trump is the one who claimed that the "president of Puerto Rico" was corrupt.
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Non sequitur is not spelled QED. Do you have any evidence for what was claimed?

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Of course Trump thinks that Puerto Rico is a foreign country. Either that, or he thinks they're west coast libs. His hurricane "response" is my cite.
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Of course Trump thinks that Puerto Rico is a foreign country. Either that, or he thinks they're west coast libs. His hurricane "response" is my cite.
The claim was that Republicans think AOC is an immigrant. Do you have any evidence for that?

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I now question however... are WE obsessed with AOC and with projecting everything we think about what one faction or the other is like onto a map of reaction to AOC?
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Michelle Bachmann is the perfect counter-example. I don't think Democrats talked about her far more than her status warranted because they were afraid of her - they did it because she was the perfect foil, and because they felt that the more Michelle Bachmann could be made the face of the Republican party, the better it was for Democrats.

I know a lot of conservatives. I don't know a single one who is afraid of her. She's a laughingstock - a lightweight bartender who backed into power on a fluke, and is now in the process of helping Democrats lose the next election. And if her plans to organize to primary out Democratic moderates and replace them with more socialists come to fruition, she will have helped to destroy the Democratic party.

Far from being afraid of her, if she keeps doing what she's doing conservatives will start sending her campaign money. On the other hand, they should be careful what they wish for, because I think Democrats employed the same strategy with Donald Trump, and look what happened.
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On the other hand, they should be careful what they wish for, because I think Democrats employed the same strategy with Donald Trump, and look what happened.
I was about to respond with this. And I'm hopeful that AOC has the capacity to learn (unlike Trump apparently). And, unlike Trump, she has plenty of time to learn. It's very possible that she'll hold that House seat for as long as she wishes. And I think she might be very politically naturally talented... if so, she'll have a bright future in NY and possibly national politics.

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Ö She's a laughingstock - a lightweight bartender who backed into power on a fluke Ö
AIUI, she busted her ass door-to-door to primary the incumbent. Not really a fluke if she worked hard for it (though, the incumbent being complacent did help).
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Oh yeah, conservatives are afraid of her. (Thanks for the link from the Pit, Rick Kitchen!)
https://www.gq.com/story/ky-republic...c-coal-miners?

"Kentucky Republican congressman Andy Barr invited Ocasio-Cortez to come meet coal miners in his state "who will tell you what the Green New Deal would mean for their families, their paychecks."

(Oh, and when she gladly accepted, he put conditions on the invite, then took it back.)

"Uninviting Ocasio-Cortez is probably a smart move on Barr's part in the long run. For one thing, there aren't any active coal mines in Barr's district. And James Comer, another Republican representative from Kentucky, told local news that he didn't "see any upside" to having her come to Kentucky. "I think a lot of Republicans are making a mistake picking on her. I think we need to be very prepared when we debate her on issues that we're having a hard time with."
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"I think a lot of Republicans are making a mistake picking on her. I think we need to be very prepared when we debate her on issues that we're having a hard time with."
It's kind of a dick move on her part to know what the hell she's talking about, really.
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They're obsessed because she fits their caricature notion of a liberal: Millennial, a woman, minority, young, supports socialism, etc. The only thing missing, in their minds, is that she's not lesbian or a Muslim and hasn't openly embraced "death to America" or something.
Yes, for those reasons she's good ratings-bait, so conservative media is running her quite a bit.

I also think that, while conservative media is pushing the narrative that she is "dumb" and seizing on every gaffe, they realize that she's smart, media-savvy and getting more polished in her job on a daily basis, and it terrifies them. Yeah go ahead and run with "AOC can't count", guys, it guarantees the dimwit rightwing base won't see her strength until it's too late.
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It looks to me like Andy Barr is leveraging a situation to draw attention to Ocasio-Cortez coming to the defense of Ilhan Omar, who is widely unpopular in this country, by telling her she would have to apologize to another Republican who got in the fray.

Even Matt Gaetz wasn't afraid to say he agreed with her on aspects of the Green New Deal while expounding on energy alternatives to it he would be in favor of.

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And James Comer, another Republican representative from Kentucky, told local news that he didn't "see any upside" to having her come to Kentucky. "I think a lot of Republicans are making a mistake picking on her. I think we need to be very prepared when we debate her on issues that we're having a hard time with."
Sounds reasonable. It would be prudent to act more like Gaetz did and less like the FOX talking heads.
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Nancy Pelosi Compares Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez To Glass Of Water
"Nancy Pelosi doesnít think much of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and sheís not afraid to say it.
Ana Kasparian, Brooke Thomas, and Alonzo Bodden, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down."

This is why it is so premature to be thinking much beyond 2020 when we don't know if Ocasio-Cortez will still be a representative. We don't know if intra-party differences will pan out in favor of her, and you almost have to assume that to be in dread of her rising star.
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Pelosi also said recently that the AOC faction amounts to just "five people."
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Why is Pelosi so obsessed with AOC?

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Because there is no Constitutional minimum age for Speaker of the House?

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She's getting asked about AOC because *you guys* are so obsessed.

Do you not understand how this works? Fox news won't shut up about her, so of course people are going to ask questions of Democratic leaders about her. This is not complicated.
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Where did I say they were? Are you having a stroke?
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The Young Turks do spend a lot of time focusing on the right wing, which is obsessed with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, so by the transitive property of obsession …
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Ouch, AOC has definitely left herself open for criticism this morning. I follow her on Instagram and she’s posted a video with her bewilderment over what a garbage disposal is.

I do imagine most of the housing stock in NYC is older and doesn’t have big kitchens or garbage disposals, but I can’t believe she hasn’t ever seen one before.
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Ouch, AOC has definitely left herself open for criticism this morning. I follow her on Instagram and she’s posted a video with her bewilderment over what a garbage disposal is.

I do imagine most of the housing stock in NYC is older and doesn’t have big kitchens or garbage disposals, but I can’t believe she hasn’t ever seen one before.
I thought it was a very cute video she posted.
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I was about to respond with this. And I'm hopeful that AOC has the capacity to learn (unlike Trump apparently). And, unlike Trump, she has plenty of time to learn. It's very possible that she'll hold that House seat for as long as she wishes. And I think she might be very politically naturally talented... if so, she'll have a bright future in NY and possibly national politics.
Yes she is a very talented/shrewd pol. I knew that as soon as she scrubbed her website of antiwar content after her election. The major parties have always been skillful in selecting their most promising demagogues for national consumption.
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Ouch, AOC has definitely left herself open for criticism this morning. I follow her on Instagram and sheís posted a video with her bewilderment over what a garbage disposal is.

I do imagine most of the housing stock in NYC is older and doesnít have big kitchens or garbage disposals, but I canít believe she hasnít ever seen one before.
I imagine Taylor Swift or a Kardashian would post similar content but I donít follow them or Ocasio-Cortez.
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Ouch, AOC has definitely left herself open for criticism this morning. I follow her on Instagram and sheís posted a video with her bewilderment over what a garbage disposal is.

I do imagine most of the housing stock in NYC is older and doesnít have big kitchens or garbage disposals, but I canít believe she hasnít ever seen one before.
Garbage disposals were illegal in NYC until the '90s. Even after that many apartment buildings banned them because their older pipes couldn't handle the waste:

https://www.brickunderground.com/blo...al_in_new_york

I grew up in NY and never saw one until well after college. I don't think I knew they existed, because it's not something that regularly turns up in conversation. If she grew up in NYC and didn't travel much, it's very likely she never saw one.
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I've lived in three countries and two continents, and spent extensive time traveling throughout the US, and I've never encountered a garbage disposal. The only time I saw reference to it was in TV shows.
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Ouch, AOC has definitely left herself open for criticism this morning. I follow her on Instagram and sheís posted a video with her bewilderment over what a garbage disposal is.

I do imagine most of the housing stock in NYC is older and doesnít have big kitchens or garbage disposals, but I canít believe she hasnít ever seen one before.
Most people outside America have never seen one. Many people below a certain income have never seen one. Many people in NYC have never seen one because they were illegal. Myself, as a lower-middle-class southerner, never operated one until I was a teenager. The majority of people just didn't have them.

It's gonna be interesting to see who thinks this is a blistering criticism. Probably a lot of overlap with the Republicans who follow her around taking photos from behind saying "Look, she's not wearing a feed sack, she's not a true champion of the underdog!"
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I've lived in three countries and two continents, and spent extensive time traveling throughout the US, and I've never encountered a garbage disposal. The only time I saw reference to it was in TV shows.
One of the houses where I lived in the US had one; we kept it unplugged as a safety measure and avoided letting anything solid fall into the sink. Leaving food in the fridge until the container became its own biome was considered somewhat uncouth; dropping solids into The Strange Noisy Machine triggered actual screams of "what the hell are you doing?!?!?!" in any of four languages (we were a Moroccan, a Spaniard, a Canadian and an American).
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Garbage disposals were illegal in NYC until the '90s. Even after that many apartment buildings banned them because their older pipes couldn't handle the waste:

https://www.brickunderground.com/blo...al_in_new_york

I grew up in NY and never saw one until well after college. I don't think I knew they existed, because it's not something that regularly turns up in conversation. If she grew up in NYC and didn't travel much, it's very likely she never saw one.
My grandmother in Long Beach, CA wanted to put a garbage disposal in the house that her family had lived in since the 30's (this was in the late eighties). She was told that they would have to re-do the entire electrical system in order to be able to accommodate it. NTS, she passed.

Hell, until I saw Crocodile Dundee, I'd never even heard of a bidet.
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Most people outside America have never seen one. Many people below a certain income have never seen one. Many people in NYC have never seen one because they were illegal. Myself, as a lower-middle-class southerner, never operated one until I was a teenager. The majority of people just didn't have them.
I guess I learned something new today.

I have never lived in a place that didn't have one. Even the super cheap apartment I had during my college days had one. It also had a LOT of cockroaches.

I think of them as a mark of civilization. Running water, electricity, garbage disposal.
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I'm a little surprised anyone would have never heard of a garbage disposal. They're such a common device in horror or comedy movies. Never had one myself before living in an older house in Houston a few years ago.
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We had one in the right-hand side of the sink. Pulled it out some years ago and replaced it with a regular drain pipe. Not only was that thing disgusting from disuse, this place is on septic – why would you want to fill the septic tank up with kitchen waste?
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I guess I learned something new today.

I have never lived in a place that didn't have one. Even the super cheap apartment I had during my college days had one. It also had a LOT of cockroaches.

I think of them as a mark of civilization. Running water, electricity, garbage disposal.
Yep, I was another person that had no awareness of them other than film and TV until I was an adult. In fact I never had one in a unit I lived in until I was in my mid-40's. I still regard the one I have now with a slight wariness and hardly ever use it( doesn't help that it is old and LOUD ).

The true measure of civilization is water, electricity and clothes dryers . I hate stiff, air-dried laundry( and yes we did have heavily used clothes lines when I was a kid ).

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