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Old 01-24-2018, 01:34 PM
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Ready Player One was not that good a book...

....and I think the movie will be not that good either.

When I first read RPO my opinion was mixed but leaning positive but as time has gone on it has shrunk. It's not a terrible book but it is very lazy and empty. The story is paper thin and little more than something to hang all the Gen X Nostalgia Porn on. It's the book version of that Chris Farley character where he interviews people by saying, "Remember [XXX]? That was cool!" Eventually you get tired of just saying, "Yeah I remember that".

The author presents a world where people can literally create anything they want and the best they can come up with is references to movies their grandparents would have watched (the story takes place 30 years from now so us Gen Xers are all senior citizens). It also presents a world where corporations rule but somehow Copyright laws are no longer being enforced.

Prejudging the movie from the trailers it leans into the Nostalgia porn. I can see now all the YouTube videos with headings like 'All the Easter Eggs form Ready Player One explained!" But they won't be Easter Eggs. The references are the only reason the movie exists.

Spielberg is an amazingly talented film maker so maybe he will surprise me but my hopes aren't high. The movie will almost certainly be a hit because "Remember that?" entertainment is very popular but I am expecting a story that makes you smile briefly and then completely forget a few minutes later.
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:53 PM
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Hmm... I was hoping that wouldn't be the case. I've just started "reading" it via audiobook, and that was the feeling I was getting from the first few chapters. I was hoping it would improve. I feel very pandered to, as I'm right in the Familty Ties-watching, 1st edition Dungeons & Dragons-playing generation it's targeted at. But unlike say, Stranger Things, where the nostalgia all felt organic.... here it feels like that's all there is.
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:58 PM
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The author presents a world where people can literally create anything they want and the best they can come up with is references to movies their grandparents would have watched (the story takes place 30 years from now so us Gen Xers are all senior citizens). It also presents a world where corporations rule but somehow Copyright laws are no longer being enforced.
Not really. Players have to earn credits in order to create things for themselves, or win them in games/challenges. There's no reason to believe that copyrights have been violated - I just assumed that licenses had been acquired. Remember - the main character had nothing to start with. His gear and equipment was all crappy level 1 stuff, and it wasn't until he passed the first challenge did he earn all the credits to buy upgrades.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:32 PM
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I enjoyed it quite a bit, but as I read it, I realized it has no long-term impact. It will not "leave a huge footprint" felt in the future.

It is only really aimed at people who either remember the 1980's, experienced it themselves, or had parents that showed a bunch of 80's stuff to them growing up.

That will pass and the book will be pretty much ignored.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:45 PM
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Ready Player One is the Worst Thing that Nerd Culture Ever Produced.

I've not read the book, but nothing I've heard about it, either from its fans or its detractors, makes me want to read it. I should be a key demographic--grew up in the eighties, had all-night Zelda sessions and later all-night Dungeons and Dragons sessions, owned one of the first Nintendo systems, dropped countless quarters at the arcade, and so on.

But there's one thing that separates me from the key demographic: I like stories that are well-written.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:52 PM
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Ready Player One is the Worst Thing that Nerd Culture Ever Produced.

I've not read the book, but nothing I've heard about it, either from its fans or its detractors, makes me want to read it. I should be a key demographic--grew up in the eighties, had all-night Zelda sessions and later all-night Dungeons and Dragons sessions, owned one of the first Nintendo systems, dropped countless quarters at the arcade, and so on.

But there's one thing that separates me from the key demographic: I like stories that are well-written.
I'm in the target demographic as well, and I have very close to zero interest in this film. I'm just not interested in revisiting stuff from the late '70s-early '80s. If it's still cool we all know it because it's still around and if it's not cool, why the hell would I want to get nostalgic about that?

Also, my entire life has been a parade of nostalgia from previous generations and frankly, I didn't really care for most of that. Now that it's my generation's turn to be nostalgic, I find I have no interest. What's going on today is what's cool, not what went on 30-40 years ago, IMO.
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I dunno. I can't tell good books from bad books, really (I just don't read enough) but RPO was fun. Just fun. I'd already devoured Snowcrash so I was a fan of the premise, and adding in all the nostalgia was fun. Like Snowcrash Lite.

I feel this way about "Stranger Things". I think it's pretty boring and have no real use for picking apart the series. But I watched both seasons and I thought it was fun!

I think RPO will be a fun movie, too.

World changing? Nah.
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:17 PM
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I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it. Although I'm right in the target demo, I wasn't like "OMG they're talking about Zork and War Games! This is the best!" but I was amused by the story and stayed interested to see how it would pan out. Having said that, I doubt it holds up to repeated readings and will likely never delve into it again although I'll see the movie at some point just out of curiosity.

I figured the implication was that we kept hearing about these kids & young adults being into 80's stuff because they'd spent the last several years immersed in Holliday's puzzle and writings (plus his influence on the Oasis up until his death). They didn't represent the average Oasis user but rather the subculture of Egg Hunters who lived and breathed this stuff just like a community of modern day Overwatch fanatics don't represent the average internet user.

I think the guy in the linked article is way, way WAY more worked up about the book than it deserves but I'm far too little worked up about it to bother refuting points. It's light entertainment and a chance for some Gen Xers to be like "I remember that". Ranting about genocide is like working on a deconstruction of The Real Ghostbusters. In the words of a wise sage, "Lighten up, Francis".

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Old 01-24-2018, 03:31 PM
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I thought the book was OK. It was a good read for the few hours it took me to read it and I didn't pay much more attention to it after that. Plot-wise it kinda fell apart around the middle when they tried to have the weird love story bit.

The part that bugged me the most about the book was the absolute Mary Sue-ness of the character. "Oh what's this Pac-Man game doing here? Guess I'll just play a perfect game cuz it's so easy." "Oh I have to know this movie? Good thing I memorized every line and gesture." He was able to be an absolute expert at everything with only the explanation of his expertise being "well he really wants this and is, like, super nerdy."

The film will annoy me only because the virtual world looks like it's hitting the uncanny valley and I don't like it.
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To be fair, it's also got a ton of references to 2020s pop culture, too. You just didn't get those.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:01 PM
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Ready Player One is the Worst Thing that Nerd Culture Ever Produced.

I've not read the book, but nothing I've heard about it, either from its fans or its detractors, makes me want to read it. I should be a key demographic--grew up in the eighties, had all-night Zelda sessions and later all-night Dungeons and Dragons sessions, owned one of the first Nintendo systems, dropped countless quarters at the arcade, and so on.

But there's one thing that separates me from the key demographic: I like stories that are well-written.
That was entertainingly savage. Although I enjoyed the book, Coleman's criticisms are true.
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I thought RPO was fun, but I can see where the OP is coming from. Yes, it was just an excuse for a giant nostalgia dump. And that kind of thing only works well (or well enough) once. Because Ernest Cline's next book, Armada, was much less enjoyable. The story surrounding the GenX nostalgia is incredibly flimsy with hardly any original ideas.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:13 PM
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I thought the book was OK. It was a good read for the few hours it took me to read it and I didn't pay much more attention to it after that. Plot-wise it kinda fell apart around the middle when they tried to have the weird love story bit.

The part that bugged me the most about the book was the absolute Mary Sue-ness of the character. "Oh what's this Pac-Man game doing here? Guess I'll just play a perfect game cuz it's so easy." "Oh I have to know this movie? Good thing I memorized every line and gesture." He was able to be an absolute expert at everything with only the explanation of his expertise being "well he really wants this and is, like, super nerdy."

The film will annoy me only because the virtual world looks like it's hitting the uncanny valley and I don't like it.
I like the book and have high hopes for the movie, but I'd be the last to defend it as a masterpiece. It's a light entertaining read, but not particularly well-written.

That said, some of the criticisms in this thread are off. Wade's not a Mary Sue - he and the other Gunters are experts on old games and films because they've spent years studying nothing else. This is established in the first scene in the book with Aetch, where he and Wade bounce obscure game and movie trivia off each other in the Basement.

The OASIS isn't an 80s paradise - the parts Wade and other Gunters are into focus on that, but it's mentioned early on that most people don't bother with those places or the quests related to them. They shop, game, and go to school and leave the rest to the Gunters.

As far as copyright, the OASIS is run by the most profitable company on the planet, and its basically Steve Jobs' wet dream - a closed system wherein the company controls all access to its customers and can take a piece of everything you sell them. The content is available on their terms, which would be quite favorable.
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That was entertainingly savage.
Yeah--part of my consideration is that there's no way the book is going to be as fun to read as that takedown was .
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I agree on the book, not so sure on the movie. The book reads a like someone's first attempt at book-length fiction (it is), so he wrote about something he was knowledgeable about and was fun for hime. Like most first books, it wasn't particularly great writing-wise, but somehow the topic for this one caught on. I think this will be one of those rare cases where the movie is better than the book. The question is, how much better?
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I'd call it a popcorn book but Ready Player One is even lighter and without any crunch at all. It's cotton candy.

It is enjoyable, but utterly lacking in self-awareness.
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I dunno. I can't tell good books from bad books, really (I just don't read enough) but RPO was fun. Just fun. I'd already devoured Snowcrash so I was a fan of the premise, and adding in all the nostalgia was fun. Like Snowcrash Lite.
I liked it as well, enough that I searched for a copy after reading it at the library. Want to share a popcorn bucket?
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I should note that I didn't read the book, rather it was read to me by Wil Wheaton during my work commute. In those circumstances, having a book be light entertainment and not having to worry about missing anything important when concentrating on a left-hand turn is a feature, not a bug.

I tried reading that "take down" but it was pretty poorly written and I wound up skimming more often than not. I noticed several things I could disagree with or think were just plain wrong but, again, I don't care enough about the book to defend it by proxy. Other things I just can't see getting that worked up about. I guess my charitable view is that he was exaggerating for sake of entertainment since the alternative -- that he really was that upset -- is considerably more worrying.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:35 AM
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Eh. I'm a Gen-Xer who's had to deal with The Beatles, Reaganomics, the Cold War, and crappy Christmas music rammed down my throat for years, then, when our time came, get written off as "slackers" and "Generation Nothing" and get a few so-so movies before being utterly ignored forever. I'll take whatever I can damned get. If someone wants to make a brainless effects-driven extravaganza for the sole purpose of pandering to my generation, I say pass the popcorn. If nothing else, it'll be a ride, much like Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. Not going to buy it, of course, but definitely worth an IPad rental.

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Old 01-25-2018, 10:36 AM
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I'd call it a popcorn book but Ready Player One is even lighter and without any crunch at all. It's cotton candy.

It is enjoyable, but utterly lacking in self-awareness.
This echos my experience. The takedown is harsher than I would have expressed it, but I can't say any of it is wrong. RPO has terrible writing, awful characters, but the story is fun and forgettable.

On my first read, I was pretty sick of the 80s references by the end and just wanted to finish it. But I reread it last month, and somehow I actually enjoyed it a little more the second time. I could skip over sections like the one described where he endlessly lists 80s movies and songs. I could skip the stupid dialog. I knew Cline would do absolutely nothing with the big Aech "reveal" so I wasn't frustrated by its stupidity and pointlessness. Once you get past that, the story is fun. Stupid, yes, but fun.

I still wouldn't recommend it to anyone, because it's a lot of shit to wade through for a simple story. But I do have a glimmer of hope that the movie might retain some fun and not go overboard on the shit.
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I should note that I didn't read the book, rather it was read to me by Wil Wheaton during my work commute
Did he speak any differently when he had to read his own name in the book?
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Did he speak any differently when he had to read his own name in the book?
No, but the moment did amuse me a little.
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I'd just like to note, for the record, that Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park was not that good a book, either.
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I'd just like to hop on the "I'm glad I'm not the only one" bus. Too many current sci-fi novels, especially those trying for humor, rely on the pop culture crutch and most (maybe all) of the writers are pretty clumsy in their crutch-use.
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but RPO was fun. Just fun.
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I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it. Although I'm right in the target demo, I wasn't like "OMG they're talking about Zork and War Games! This is the best!" but I was amused by the story and stayed interested to see how it would pan out. Having said that, I doubt it holds up to repeated readings and will likely never delve into it again although I'll see the movie at some point just out of curiosity.
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some of the criticisms in this thread are off. Wade's not a Mary Sue - he and the other Gunters are experts on old games and films because they've spent years studying nothing else.
Yeah, I didn't get the sense of Mary Sue-ness from the character, but I did get a sense of wish-fulfillment fantasy (of the target reader) in the scenario: "Wouldn't it be great if I could be a hero/get the girl/get rich and famous by doing things I already like to do, like playing video games and memorizing nerdy movies?"
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I liked it as well, enough that I searched for a copy after reading it at the library. Want to share a popcorn bucket?
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I think the movie will be a lot of hit and miss since the book was this way and I've seen plenty of Speilberg's lighter fare from this century to know he's not into giving his all for 120 minutes. He's so busy and in demand these days that he can picture how to do a handful of scenes brilliantly for a fantasy film, makes them brilliantly, and then sort of loses interest and phones it in for the rest of the movie. War of The Worlds had some terrific stuff that you can see Speilberg thought of ahead of time, but then the rest of the movie was a lot of filler. See also Minority Report, A.I., the BFG.
I think RPO will have a lot of fun moments, just not 120 minutes of them.
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That said, some of the criticisms in this thread are off. Wade's not a Mary Sue - he and the other Gunters are experts on old games and films because they've spent years studying nothing else. This is established in the first scene in the book with Aetch, where he and Wade bounce obscure game and movie trivia off each other in the Basement.
I understand that knowing all of these obscure facts is part of the world-building, but it's precisely how much he knows that makes him a Mary Sue to me. Regardless as to how much time you dedicate to it, I don't believe a high-schooler can have encyclopedic knowledge of pretty much everything D&D AND know multiple 80s movies perfectly line-by-line AND have enough video game skill to perfect Joust AND be skilled enough to play a perfect game of Pac Man AND still go to school and live a regular life. His perfect knowledge and skill at everything needed is too, well, perfect.
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Well, he didn't "go to school and live a regular life". He barely passed school and was at risk of expulsion for missing classes (to do Gunter stuff). He only stayed in school because his OASIS console was issued by the government for school and he'd lose it if he was expelled. While he was in school, he was studying Holliday's journal. When he wasn't in school he did literally nothing but sit on his ass eating junk food and being in the OASIS with the exception of time he spent brushing up on his 80s trivia and games.

For that matter, he didn't have a perfect knowledge of D&D but rather had the module map up in the corner of his OASIS screen during his walk through. I thought he pulled up a script of War Games as well for the first key but I might be remembering wrong.

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I listened on Audible so I can't just look back, but I think he used a reference book to study the Pac Man boards prior to making his perfect run.

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It's worth mentioning that the D&D module in question was Tomb of Horrors because it's (a) a famous module (probably the most famous module) so it'd be an obvious thing to study, be familiar with and have a handy PDF of and (b) is almost all traps with very few monster encounters. So even a low level punk like Wade could navigate it if you had a book telling you how to defeat each room. Had it been nearly any other module, even a low-level one like Keep on the Borderlands (also famous), he likely would have been killed by one of the monsters with his cheap sword and buckler.

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It was a popcorn book. It was fun. I didn't expect more than that, and I was more than satisfied. I expect the movie will be fun as well.

Not everything I read has to enlighten me.
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It was a popcorn book. It was fun. I didn't expect more than that, and I was more than satisfied. I expect the movie will be fun as well.

Not everything I read has to enlighten me.
I didn't want it to be enlightened. I wanted it to be a better story than it was and more than just a Wikipedia page on my childhood. That doesn't mean heavy and ponderous.

You can expect a movie or book to be light and fun and still want it to be well made/written/told.
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Well, he didn't "go to school and live a regular life". He barely passed school and was at risk of expulsion for missing classes (to do Gunter stuff). He only stayed in school because his OASIS console was issued by the government for school and he'd lose it if he was expelled. While he was in school, he was studying Holliday's journal. When he wasn't in school he did literally nothing but sit on his ass eating junk food and being in the OASIS with the exception of time he spent brushing up on his 80s trivia and games.

For that matter, he didn't have a perfect knowledge of D&D but rather had the module map up in the corner of his OASIS screen during his walk through. I thought he pulled up a script of War Games as well for the first key but I might be remembering wrong.
It had been a while since I read the book, but I believe you're right that he had a lot of those references handy and written down in some form or fashion to I take back my complaint.

But now I have a new one

What's with having all the references handy at just the perfect time? Total cop out.
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It was a fun silly book. But he was a Gary Sue.

I want to point out the study time doesn't work. Given his age, it's almost impossible for him to watch all the shows/movies he did, (and he claimed he watched some of them multiple times). And read/study all the guides and video games. Unless everything was fast forward or magically downloaded into his head. But they don't have that in this Sci-fi universe.
Given his knowledge, it would make more sense if he was 40 years old and RPG as a teenager in the net. Which is true in the meta sense.
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What's with having all the references handy at just the perfect time? Total cop out.
He's on the Super-Internet. It would take me under thirty seconds right now to locate a PDF of Tomb of Horrors and a script to War Games.

Edit: I also recall that he used a walk-through for Zork.

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Agreed: the book is dreck. But it's fun. Not everything written has to be literature.

I'm going to reserve judgment on the movie until I see it. I've seen some good movies made from books I dislike, and plenty of bad movies made from great books.
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My biggest concern about the movie is that it's going to have way too much modern pop culture in it. I'm pretty sure I saw Overwatch's Tracer in the trailer.

I understand the thinking - add a broader range of nerd stuff to appeal to younger nerds, but diluting the nostalgia factor could potentially ruin the movie. Nostalgia is the only thing RP1 has going for it.
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I'm pretty sure I saw Overwatch's Tracer in the trailer.
Yeah, she was. To me it felt very anachronistic and like blatant advertising but most people in the RP1 Trailer thread seemed cool with it so I guess we're the minority opinion.
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Edit: I also recall that he used a walk-through for Zork.
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My biggest concern about the movie is that it's going to have way too much modern pop culture in it. I'm pretty sure I saw Overwatch's Tracer in the trailer.

I understand the thinking - add a broader range of nerd stuff to appeal to younger nerds, but diluting the nostalgia factor could potentially ruin the movie. Nostalgia is the only thing RP1 has going for it.
If anything, adding modern stuff waters down my main complaint with the book. It felt too self-congratulatory about being born when the author was born. Having being into nerd culture as the criteria for being the curator of nerdland is a lot better than loving the exact things that the author loves as being the criteria.
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Having being into nerd culture as the criteria for being the curator of nerdland is a lot better than loving the exact things that the author loves as being the criteria.
But the entire point was that Holliday was obsessed with the 80s because that's when things were best in his life. He wasn't just "a nerd" (stuff like Family Ties isn't 'nerdy' it was just comfortingly familiar), he was a nerd disconcertingly obsessed with the relics of his youth and making everyone else jump through the hoops of his past in order to win his legacy. Changing that to general "video games, sci-fi and anime" misses the focus.

It was one big tripped out power play which makes it very fitting that Holliday gave his big speech and presentation dressed as his AD&D character and posed like the figure on the (revised cover) Dungeon Master's Guide.

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But the entire point was that Holliday was obsessed with the 80s because that's when things were best in his life. He wasn't just "a nerd" (stuff like Family Ties isn't 'nerdy' it was just comfortingly familiar), he was a nerd disconcertingly obsessed with the relics of his youth and making everyone else jump through the hoops of his past in order to win his legacy. Changing that to general "video games, sci-fi and anime" misses the focus.
Gunters are fixated on the 80s, but most of the Oasis is not Gunters. That scene from the movie trailer is probably showing a race that includes all kinds of people, from 80s Gunters to 2018 Overwatch nerds to whatever is cool at that time. The climatic battle in the book included non-Gunters with avatars and equipment presumably from every genre of nerd culture.
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But the entire point was that Holliday was obsessed with the 80s because that's when things were best in his life. He wasn't just "a nerd" (stuff like Family Ties isn't 'nerdy' it was just comfortingly familiar), he was a nerd disconcertingly obsessed with the relics of his youth and making everyone else jump through the hoops of his past in order to win his legacy. Changing that to general "video games, sci-fi and anime" misses the focus.

It was one big tripped out power play which makes it very fitting that Holliday gave his big speech and presentation dressed as his AD&D character and posed like the figure on the (revised cover) Dungeon Master's Guide.
I think that's a better book than the one I read. I may have been reading too uncritically, but to me the book presented Wade's knowledge of random cultural stuff as actually making him worthy and good. Making Holliday a villain fixes a lot of the issues LHod's link talks about (freezing the culture in the 80's is monstrous! of course it is, he's the villain) (knowing the right cultural fluff doesn't make you moral and worthy! Of course, he's the villain). I just don't think that most people's reading has Holliday as a villain and Wade as just a lucky guy, given most of the criticism I've read is about how terrible Wade is as a hero, and most of the praise I've read is about how fun it is.
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The climatic battle in the book included non-Gunters with avatars and equipment presumably from every genre of nerd culture.
The big battle against the Sixers at the end involved a bunch of different people so it remains to be seen if Tracer was a one-off from that battle or indicative of stuff that we'll see throughout the movie. Or how well the movie follows the book in the first place.

If I remember right, the big "Everyone in the OASIS" battle was really almost everyone in their space ships, not running around on the surface but, again, creative liberties when making the movie and all that. But with Tracer being the only obvious non-era property in the trailer, it felt less like "potpourri of nerd stuff form the last five decades" and more "Blizzard says here's a check if we can put their character in our movie".
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I think that's a better book than the one I read. I may have been reading too uncritically, but to me the book presented Wade's knowledge of random cultural stuff as actually making him worthy and good. Making Holliday a villain fixes a lot of the issues LHod's link talks about (freezing the culture in the 80's is monstrous! of course it is, he's the villain) (knowing the right cultural fluff doesn't make you moral and worthy! Of course, he's the villain). I just don't think that most people's reading has Holliday as a villain and Wade as just a lucky guy, given most of the criticism I've read is about how terrible Wade is as a hero, and most of the praise I've read is about how fun it is.
I'm sorry, but what?

The book presented Wade's knowledge of the 80's as something that was good in order to try and solve the puzzles of the Hunt. It didn't make him better as a person.
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If I remember right, the big "Everyone in the OASIS" battle was really almost everyone in their space ships, not running around on the surface but, again, creative liberties when making the movie and all that. But with Tracer being the only obvious non-era property in the trailer, it felt less like "potpourri of nerd stuff form the last five decades" and more "Blizzard says here's a check if we can put their character in our movie".
No, in the book, the battle was on the surface of the planet. With millions of people, huge dinosaur robots, flying ships, etc.
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No, in the book, the battle was on the surface of the planet. With millions of people, huge dinosaur robots, flying ships, etc.
I'll take your word for it and my mistake then. My mistaken memory was that it was primarily people in ships because they were trying to blast through the Sixers' shield.

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Making Holliday a villain fixes a lot of the issues LHod's link talks about
"Villain" feels a bit strong but my impression was that Halliday (whoops, had been spelling it wrong) was obviously sort of screwed up. Despite his wealth, his best days were in his youth with Ogden and then Kira (who he loves and she winds up with Ogden) and all his 80s obsession seems to be keyed off of that. Plus, just from having played my share of RPGs, the singular-minded "I have the best idea and you're going to be forced to love it" DM archetype was all too familiar. I suppose that when you're giving away a planetary fortune, you can afford to make people jump through the hoops of your ego.

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