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Old 01-06-2019, 11:44 PM
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Bohemian Rhapsody for the win!

So pleased to Rami Malek and Bohemian Rhapsody get props at the Golden Globes for best actor and best picture-drama. That was a great film, if not totally accurate.
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Well deserved.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:53 AM
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I loved the film but wasn't sure if I was just swayed by my love of Queen and Freddie, so I really didn't expect that. Of course, I didn't even know what was nominated this year so that was a double, pleasant surprise.

Holy cow, does Brian May ever age? His trademark curls are white now, but other than that, he looks frozen in time. I didn't even recognize Roger Taylor. Once I realized it was him sitting at the table, I saw the same handsome face from years ago, but I'm not too keen on his current style.
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Old 01-07-2019, 08:02 AM
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The performance was indeed great but film was merely decent, a largely formulaic musical bio-pic. The only other nominee I have seen is Black Panther, which was again decent, but not even the best Marvel film of the year IMO. Maybe 2018 just wasn't a great year.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:31 AM
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I loved the film but wasn't sure if I was just swayed by my love of Queen and Freddie, so I really didn't expect that. Of course, I didn't even know what was nominated this year so that was a double, pleasant surprise.

Holy cow, does Brian May ever age? His trademark curls are white now, but other than that, he looks frozen in time. I didn't even recognize Roger Taylor. Once I realized it was him sitting at the table, I saw the same handsome face from years ago, but I'm not too keen on his current style.
Well, he'll be 70 this year. He's justifiably becoming an old British man. Can't blame a man for that.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:36 AM
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I was surprised to hear that Bohemian Rhapsody won best drama, after having heard so many people (including here on the SDMB) say it was formulaic and mediocre—enjoyable for fans of Queen, but hardly a Great Movie. (And that arguably the best things about the movie were the musical performances, yet it won in the Drama category rather than the Musical category.) I guess the rule is: Biopics win awards.
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:06 PM
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I just wonder if at least 5% of the motion picture academy's voters think it's the best picture of 2018 - under the new rules, that seems to be the requirement to get a Best Picture Oscar nomination. Only if there are fewer than five films that reach the 5% threshold (and note that the 5% is for the voter's single best film, not just in the voter's top five or ten) do they look at everybody's "top ten lists."
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I was surprised to hear that Bohemian Rhapsody won best drama, after having heard so many people (including here on the SDMB) say it was formulaic and mediocre—enjoyable for fans of Queen, but hardly a Great Movie. (And that arguably the best things about the movie were the musical performances, yet it won in the Drama category rather than the Musical category.) I guess the rule is: Biopics win awards.
I agree.

Despite me loving the film immensely, I would say it isn't "Best Picture" good. It truly is formulaic, and has a ton of flaws.

Give Malek Best Actor, sure! It was a best actor level performance.

Speaking of biopics, at least First Man didn't win. What a poor film that is. Good soundtrack, though. Theremins rule.

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Holy cow, does Brian May ever age? His trademark curls are white now, but other than that, he looks frozen in time.
Recent post by Brian:“I Feel About 15 But Shame I Look About 89”.
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I haven't seen the movie, having heard it was good-but-not-great, but I guess I'll check it out.

I was more shocked by Green Book winning the Musical/Comedy category, since I had heard it wasn't even close to great. Very weird year.
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I haven't seen the movie, having heard it was good-but-not-great, but I guess I'll check it out.

I was more shocked by Green Book winning the Musical/Comedy category, since I had heard it wasn't even close to great. Very weird year.
It was quite good but it wasn't really close to being a comedy or a musical, even though the main character is a musician and there are some light moments.
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I sat through Bohemian Rhapsody a bit irritated and impatient as it tip-toed in its PG-13 way through what had to be a lot of made-up stuff. Rolling my eyes at the long depiction of what was supposed to be the Lady Love of His Life, and ever so gently later tiptoeing around his gay side, visiting a leather bar and receiving a chaste kiss or two. I remember reading a review where the writer seemed very angry and doubtful about the song-writing process, seeming to be offended that the songs just 'came' to the group 'out of thin air'. (Myself, I don't know how musicians think up and write songs, other than noodling around for hours at a piano. For all I know, inspiration might very WELL strike like a bolt from the blue.) . But OMG the best actor award was well deserved! That concert re-enactment, Wembley Stadium, was breathtaking. I found myself in tears, I was so taken by it .
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I'll disagree about "tiptoeing around". Freddy was shown having drug-fueled gay orgies. Those leather boys weren't coming by to watch TV. Short of making it X-rated gay porn I'm not sure it could have been more obvious.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:09 PM
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I was disappointed that this movie was chosen the best of the best. I cannot believe that Brian May as one of the producers would allow such a work of fiction to be presented as a biopic. My guess is that he completely sold out. I would have loved more historical accuracy and more focus on the creative process.
And Rami as best actor? The stage performances were excellent but he played Freddie as a one dimensional fop.
It's so sad that this film won as now we can expect more of this drivel.
This is the world where truth doesn't matter and alternate realities are more interesting than character.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:14 PM
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I was disappointed that this movie was chosen the best of the best. I cannot believe that Brian May as one of the producers would allow such a work of fiction to be presented as a biopic. My guess is that he completely sold out. I would have loved more historical accuracy and more focus on the creative process.
And Rami as best actor? The stage performances were excellent but he played Freddie as a one dimensional fop.
It's so sad that this film won as now we can expect more of this drivel.
This is the world where truth doesn't matter and alternate realities are more interesting than character.
I know the chronology is off in certain areas but beside that, what important details are inaccurate?
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I know the chronology is off in certain areas but beside that, what important details are inaccurate?
Well, no one in the industry ever dismissed BR because "kids won't be banging their heads in cars" to it.



Freddy knew Smile before the point in the film where he introduced himself to them, and had already been in two bands. Is that an important detail? I don't think so myself.

As far as I can tell, the rest of the inaccuracies are all chronological. And while those are stupid and for the most part unnecessary, I don't think they ruin the film.

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I know the chronology is off in certain areas but beside that, what important details are inaccurate?
Off the top of my head, the biggest inaccuracies were in the third act. Freddie never left the band to exclusively pursue a solo career (as depicted in the film). In the scene in their manager's office, when the four of them are discussing "reuniting" for Live Aid, Brian says, "we haven't even played together in years," when, in actuality, the band (including Freddie) had just come off of a nearly yearlong tour in support of "The Works."

That segment of the film also depicts Freddie as receiving a diagnosis of AIDS just before Live Aid, and his revelation of that diagnosis to his bandmates during a rehearsal is a pivotal moment in the film. Based on what Jim Hutton has said, Freddie wasn't diagnosed with AIDS until late April of 1987 (or, nearly two years after Live Aid, and outside of the movie's scope).

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I know the chronology is off in certain areas but beside that, what important details are inaccurate?
It might be easier to state the details that are accurate.
All those guys were in the band and did play those instruments. They wrote those songs too.

The band did not meet that way. They did not sell their van to make their first album. There was never a confrontation with the record company over the song Bohemian Rhapsody. The manager was never fired because he suggested Freddie go solo. The band did not "reunite" for Live Aid. Freddy did not have AIDS at the time of that concert.
These are not just chronological. They are rock and roll cliches.
I think a more accurate, more sensitive movie about the life of a gay rock star would have been more interesting and made a better movie.
I still can't believe Brian May and the boys allowed this to be made.
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Hmmm. I didn't think I'd remembered Freddie ever going solo and I was also pretty sure they were still together and still kind of popular (I know I still liked them) at the time of Live Aid. Other than that, I just look at the other stuff as creative license. Maybe Brian and Roger don't think those other details are a big deal either.
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Short of making it X-rated gay porn I'm not sure it could have been more obvious.
And yet all us young 80's metal-head guys never had a clue about Rob Halford.
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Hmmm. I didn't think I'd remembered Freddie ever going solo and I was also pretty sure they were still together and still kind of popular (I know I still liked them) at the time of Live Aid. Other than that, I just look at the other stuff as creative license. Maybe Brian and Roger don't think those other details are a big deal either.
Freddie did do some solo work (and work with other artists) during that timeframe depicted in the film -- then again, Brian and Roger were both also doing much the same, and, unlike how it was depicted in the film, it didn't involve breaking up the band, or putting the band on hiatus.

My strong suspicion was that Brian and Roger were all right with the creative license, so long as it told a good story, and so long as they felt it stayed true to the spirit of Freddie, and what the band was about.
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And yet all us young 80's metal-head guys never had a clue about Rob Halford.
No shit!

At the time, all my metal head friends were all "Is Adam Ant gay? I think he is gay!*", and right there is Halford and no one even suspected. The only way the cover of Unleashed in the East could be more obvious is if it had a sign saying "I am most sincerely gay". And we just thought it was "metal".


*not gay
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In terms of them playing Live Aid, too. I once heard Geldof say he was speaking with them and essentially blackmailed them to decide. He issued a release saying they were playing and dared them to say they didn’t want to play.
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I don't understand the Golden Globes. Bohemian Rhapsody is in the drama category and Vice was in the musical/ comedy category.
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Ricard Madden winning over Matthew Rhys establishes the GGs as garbage. Madden might be a decent actor, but Bodyguard was awful. It started well which made the ludicrous, poorly-plotted, badly-written, and crappily-directed effluvium that ensued all the more bewildering. Did I mention that it really wasn't very good?
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The film got me and the wife and kids listening to old Queen albums even a month and a half after seeing it, so that says something. It would have been nice if they’d found a way to fit Mustafa in somewhere though.
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I don't understand the Golden Globes. Bohemian Rhapsody is in the drama category and Vice was in the musical/ comedy category.
Bohemian Rhapsody is a drama about musicians, it’s not a musical. Mary Poppins Returns, that’s a musical. Vice is more of a satirical dark comedy than a straight drama. I have no issues with either being listed in their respective categories, same with Green Book which has a lot of humor. Comedy doesn’t just mean slapstick & dick jokes.
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I haven't seen the movie, having heard it was good-but-not-great, but I guess I'll check it out.

I was more shocked by Green Book winning the Musical/Comedy category, since I had heard it wasn't even close to great. Very weird year.
Green Book was RT 81% vs. Bohemian Rhapsody's 62%. Objectively people think it's better.
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I was surprised to hear that Bohemian Rhapsody won best drama, after having heard so many people (including here on the SDMB) say it was formulaic and mediocre—enjoyable for fans of Queen, but hardly a Great Movie. (And that arguably the best things about the movie were the musical performances, yet it won in the Drama category rather than the Musical category.) I guess the rule is: Biopics win awards.
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Bohemian Rhapsody is a drama about musicians, it’s not a musical. Mary Poppins Returns, that’s a musical. Vice is more of a satirical dark comedy than a straight drama. I have no issues with either being listed in their respective categories, same with Green Book which has a lot of humor. Comedy doesn’t just mean slapstick & dick jokes.
Yes, Bohemian Rhapsody definitely does not qualify as a musical. In a musical, songs advance the narrative, think something like West Side Story, or The Music Man (or that greatest of all musicals, Marge vs the Monorail).
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BR brought in the two(!) Freddy solo albums, which somehow I'd never even heard of, but omits the Flash soundtrack. You'd thin doing a movie soundtrack would be at least worth a passing mention.

IN real life, I noticed that Bowie followed Queen at Wembley. It would have been cool if they could have transitioned between the two acts with Under Pressure! Start with Queen and end with Bowie.
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Well, Queen didn't play Under Pressure that day. The setlist went:

Bohemian Rhapsody (partial)
Radio Gaga
Hammer to Fall
Crazy Little Thing Called Love
We Will Rock You
We Are the Champions

The also showed U2 coming off stage when Queen went on. U2 played earlier and Dire Straits played directly before Queen.

I'll admit, too, that while everyone seems in love with Queen's performance that day, it was U2 who stole the show for my money. Queen delivered what they do, a good solid performance designed to please the crowd and get some participation going. U2's performance was transformative. I don't know what world Bono was in during Bad but it wasn't on this plane of existence. It was some place where singer and crowd become one.
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Well, Queen didn't play Under Pressure that day.
I just meant they should have. Have a seamless transition from Queen to Bowie. But you wouldn't get to give the big applause at the end - Queen would have just disappeared. I guess that wouldn't really work.
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