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Old 09-25-2018, 06:10 PM
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Manifest (new NBC paranormal series)

The first episode debuted last night. I was willing to give it a chance, and was glad I did. It will be shown again on Friday evening.

In short, a plane that took off in the spring of 2013 from Kingston, Jamaica arrives at its NYC destination in November, 2018. How this happened, and why, and how those left behind dealt with it is just beginning to be explored.

Other people have said that they saw the trailer and weren't impressed. To me, it promises to be a good show, and if it veers off the rails a la "Twin Peaks" or "Lost", I'll stop watching.

In short, do I recommend checking it out? Sure.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:27 PM
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We saw it, and liked the voices and visions that the survivors have. My worry is that, as others have said, that it will be like Lost, going on for years with no explanation, ending with a weak, unplanned letdown. I'd like series like this better if I knew going in that it was going to be only ten episodes or so.

That said, I'll give it another viewing next week.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:42 PM
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hasn't this premise been done before ? I think it was a European series ...and then they tried adapting it and it didn't last either …..
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:48 PM
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The problem with this type of series is that it's easy to set up the mysteries and hook an audience.

But at some point you need a third act. Most of the people who make these shows don't set up a good answer to the questions they've asked.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:52 PM
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The first episode debuted last night. I was willing to give it a chance, and was glad I did. It will be shown again on Friday evening.

In short, a plane that took off in the spring of 2013 from Kingston, Jamaica arrives at its NYC destination in November, 2018. How this happened, and why, and how those left behind dealt with it is just beginning to be explored.

Other people have said that they saw the trailer and weren't impressed. To me, it promises to be a good show, and if it veers off the rails a la "Twin Peaks" or "Lost", I'll stop watching.

In short, do I recommend checking it out? Sure.
I was turned off by the ponderous narration at the beginning of the episode, and thought the scenes at the airport weren't really necessary (get to the fireworks factory already), but the rest of the episode was interesting enough that I think I'll watch the next few episodes and see how it goes.

The bit at the end reminded me of Close Encounters
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The "set them free" thing was kind of amusing. Anybody else see the twist coming there?
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:25 AM
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Maybe the Bro’s wife is the woman who sister’s ex fiancé has married? Would explain a few things.
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Old 09-26-2018, 07:37 AM
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The "set them free" thing was kind of amusing. Anybody else see the twist coming there?
I figured it out about 30 seconds before the characters did.
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Old 09-26-2018, 10:46 AM
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I enjoyed the pilot and will continue watching for awhile.

Depends on the direction the writers take.

It is an interesting premise. Everyone of those passengers has a potential story and connection to the central characters.

I get the impression the boy with leukemia is the main character that connects everyone. He may even be the reason the plane's landing was delayed over 5 years. Just a WAG.

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Old 09-26-2018, 10:57 AM
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didn't they already do that story? Remember The 4400? How soon does it devolve into the usual soap opera relationship drama?
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Old 09-26-2018, 11:06 AM
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The problem with this type of series is that it's easy to set up the mysteries and hook an audience.

But at some point you need a third act. Most of the people who make these shows don't set up a good answer to the questions they've asked.
"Most"? Has there been a network show in this genre that has been able to resolve things in a satisfying manner? It seems like there are just two outcomes:

1. The season ends on a cliffhanger and the show gets canceled over the summer.
2. The show meanders aimlessly season after season until ratings are so bad they cancel it, but ends on a weak finale that has a slapped together, contrived solution to the mystery.
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Old 09-26-2018, 11:11 AM
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My wife and I watched it last night, and we were kind of up in the air about it. Hopefully the plot manages to take off a little more, and like others mentioned, hope the writers have a final destination in mind so it doesn't turn out like 'Lost'.
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"Most"? Has there been a network show in this genre that has been able to resolve things in a satisfying manner? It seems like there are just two outcomes:

1. The season ends on a cliffhanger and the show gets canceled over the summer.
2. The show meanders aimlessly season after season until ratings are so bad they cancel it, but ends on a weak finale that has a slapped together, contrived solution to the mystery.
I won't watch the show, because I've been burned too many times. But I'll follow the thread. If it sounds like they know what they are doing, I can always catch up on DVD eventually.

I do not suspect that will happen.
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Old 09-28-2018, 06:11 AM
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I liked it and will continue watching for now. I hope it doesn’t become like Lost; that got so old and I gave up on that one long before the end. The lead actress is a little bit cheesy, but hopefully her character will stretch. I figured the Set Them Free thing had to do with the kidnapping, but I thought it would be an immediate result, not the roundabout way it ended up, so I was pleasantly surprised.
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I liked it, but NBC has tried this "mystery" type format a couple of times before and it failed. Not sure why they think it will work this time.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:59 AM
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I watched it and actually hope it DOES become like Lost, but with a better ending.

It was okay, but I was kind of put off by people, who have just traveled through time!, being worried about getting their job back, or their boyfriend/girlfriend.

Plus the doctor who didn't want to treat the boy because he blindly subtracted two dates to determine the kid wasn't eligible. Seemingly forgetting that the kid traveled through time!!
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Plus the doctor who didn't want to treat the boy because he blindly subtracted two dates to determine the kid wasn't eligible. Seemingly forgetting that the kid traveled through time!!
Didn't the show imply the doctor had an agenda which prompted him to give that BS answer?

Or am I misremembering?
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Does anyone believe a kidnapper -- with his victims imprisoned on the premises no less! -- would call the police to report his dogs had been taken???

On a bigger level, I didn't like the lead woman, and I loathe mysteries that are solved by 'psychic' means so... Will watch a second episode in case it goes a different route, but I'm not hopeful.
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Did the wormhole happen to be over the Bermuda Triangle? I can't remember the timeline between when they left, it happened, and they landed.

Right now the acting and writing seem a little weak for me to have much hope they have an intelligently designed story arc. However, there have been other shows which I felt the same way and eventually turned out great. "Babylon 5" is one. I remember my friends saying how good it was, but when I started watching I thought it was as dumb as a soap opera. But after a while I got into the story and didn't notice the cheesiness. Maybe the same thing will happen here.
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Didn't the show imply the doctor had an agenda which prompted him to give that BS answer?

Or am I misremembering?
I'm not 100% sure. I do remember him saying something like "This kids has had leukemia for 7 years" or something like that.
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"Most"? Has there been a network show in this genre that has been able to resolve things in a satisfying manner? It seems like there are just two outcomes:

1. The season ends on a cliffhanger and the show gets canceled over the summer.
2. The show meanders aimlessly season after season until ratings are so bad they cancel it, but ends on a weak finale that has a slapped together, contrived solution to the mystery.
There is a third possible outcome: 3. The show gets one season, but gets the cancellation early enough to slap together a finale which, though weak, at least provides some closure. (Last Resort.)

And I don't think the kidnapper called the police. I think it was the same "concerned citizen" that sent the video of cop lady and her bro snapping the chain.
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Old 09-28-2018, 10:19 AM
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I'm not 100% sure. I do remember him saying something like "This kids has had leukemia for 7 years" or something like that.
They had an approved protocol - something like "We'll accept patients who had <x> level of the disease by <y> date" and the kid didn't fit that protocol. The problem is that "<x> level by <y> date" didn't fit the kid who had missed out on 5 1/2 years of disease progression. Frankly, a better reason to exclude the kid would be "he just went through this inexplicable phenomenon, so who knows how his reaction to this treatment would reflect the reaction of other patients" (and the proper response to that is "Fine - let's not count him as part of the test, but still give him the treatment (since he'll die otherwise)").
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My wife and I watched it last night, and we were kind of up in the air about it. Hopefully the plot manages to take off a little more, and like others mentioned, hope the writers have a final destination in mind so it doesn't turn out like 'Lost'.
Yeah, but there's a lot of excess baggage in the plot and I suspect the writers may just be winging it.
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Frankly, a better reason to exclude the kid would be "he just went through this inexplicable phenomenon, so who knows how his reaction to this treatment would reflect the reaction of other patients" (and the proper response to that is "Fine - let's not count him as part of the test, but still give him the treatment (since he'll die otherwise)").
I agree with this.
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Old 09-29-2018, 10:50 AM
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I liked it more than I thought I would. I was also a fan of The 4400, but I like that this involves just 190 people. The fact that there are odd connections among the passengers and crew is to be expected, but right now I'm still looking forward to discovering them all. And I really kind of liked the ending of the episode

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Frankly, a better reason to exclude the kid would be "he just went through this inexplicable phenomenon, so who knows how his reaction to this treatment would reflect the reaction of other patients"
I thought that was the biggest reason why the main doc objected? Yes, at first he did the math thing, but I thought the main objection wound up being "nothing about this kid has been controlled."
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Old 09-30-2018, 01:21 AM
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Tuned in for this, the first new network drama I've tried in two years. (The last one was This Is Us, where I lasted maybe 3 or 4 episodes.)

Maybe I've just lost touch with network dramas, but the overacting and cheesiness was through the roof, especially with the lead actress. It didn't bother me all that much, but several times during the pilot it pulled me completely out of it as I winced at how badly they were hamming it up.

I'm kind of liking the plot device and the voices gag. For some reason, I found it really compelling that they're hearing their own voices in their heads. Unless it completely falls off a cliff, I'll try and stick with this. At least for the first season. I had a ton of fun with Lost for 3 or 4 seasons, followed by bitter disappointment for 3 or 4 seasons, but hey, the first season was great.

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with the plane seemingly blowing itself up after everyone was compelled to be there to witness it.
Not everyone. At very least not the leukemia kid, but I got the feeling that maybe only a third or half the passengers were there to bear witness.

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There is a third possible outcome: 3. The show gets one season, but gets the cancellation early enough to slap together a finale which, though weak, at least provides some closure. (Last Resort.)

And I don't think the kidnapper called the police. I think it was the same "concerned citizen" that sent the video of cop lady and her bro snapping the chain.
First paragraph: That was the case with an excellent paranormal program called "Invasion" from a few years ago. IIRC, one of the main actors got another role, and the ratings weren't quite high enough to warrant writing the person out of the show and continuing on, so they had an episode that seemed to wrap it up.

Second paragraph: You are right. Someone else witnessed the bolt being cut, and called the police.
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The doctor in charge of the treatment protocol seemed VERY interested in money. There were some investment grants on the line, or something like that, and the kid in question, having been "uncontrolled" for several years, might screw up their results if accepted. So I think it was about the prestige and the money.
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Not everyone. At very least not the leukemia kid, but I got the feeling that maybe only a third or half the passengers were there to bear witness.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be precise when I said "everyone"; it's entirely possible you're correct.
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I watched it and actually hope it DOES become like Lost, but with a better ending.

It was okay, but I was kind of put off by people, who have just traveled through time!, being worried about getting their job back, or their boyfriend/girlfriend.

Plus the doctor who didn't want to treat the boy because he blindly subtracted two dates to determine the kid wasn't eligible. Seemingly forgetting that the kid traveled through time!!
Maybe I'm too pragmatic, but I believe those are the first things I would worry about.
I'm glad the kid is getting a cure but I think the way it happens could have been handled better.
I'll check it out next week and cross my fingers, hoping for the best.

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I thought that was the biggest reason why the main doc objected? Yes, at first he did the math thing, but I thought the main objection wound up being "nothing about this kid has been controlled."
I could be wrong. I thought the "strict compliance with the protocol" was the main reason, and the airplane stuff was waved away as "too complicated to explain to the review committee"
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Episode 2 aired this evening. I won't give away any spoilers.

If you missed both episodes and still want to check them out, Syfy is showing them later in the week.
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The "set them free" thing was kind of amusing. Anybody else see the twist coming there?
But why would the voices stop when they let the dogs go? You would think they could be more specific.

No, not them! Set the other ones free!

Unless it was all a set up so the girl could come back with the detective later.

I'm already bored with the love triangle with the guy and his wife. At least I can fast forward through those parts.
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But why would the voices stop when they let the dogs go? You would think they could be more specific.

No, not them! Set the other ones free!
Ha! Yeah, it does like a strange deus ex machina. "The dogs! You thought I created a wormhole and dragged you out in the middle of the night to let the dogs out! Sheesh! I should be talking to that smart doctor."
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I could be wrong. I thought the "strict compliance with the protocol" was the main reason, and the airplane stuff was waved away as "too complicated to explain to the review committee"
I watched the first episode again. The protocol was something like "Only have the disease for 4 years" and the doctor said "This kid has had it for 7 years, so he's out of the protocol" disregarding the fact that 5 of those years don't count, since the kid just time traveled and all. Then the doctor explained that he didn't want to break the protocol for any reason, because they were about to get rich when bought out by some big company. Seems kind of heartless to me.
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Then the doctor explained that he didn't want to break the protocol for any reason, because they were about to get rich when bought out by some big company. Seems kind of heartless to me.

The thing is, you have to look at the situation as a whole. There are THOUSANDS of children with leukemia, and likely HUNDREDS of them were trying to get into the drug trial. It's not like the Dr. was saying, "oh, we could (potentially) help 50 children, but lets only give 49 a chance." No, they were picking WHICH 50 of the nominees would get the slots. No doubt they had a whole bunch of parameters to meet -- not just the ones they made explicit, like how long they'd been diagnosed and age, but stuff like not having any other conditions that could complicate and blur the results, maybe they need to insure a proper mix of blood types. Plus there are likely demographic concerns, like wanting roughly equal numbers of girls and boys, a suitable mixture of races and ethnic backgrounds, who knows what else.

But no matter what, the panel was picking a designated number to get the chance that this drug might help them. It could also be ineffective. It could make their condition worse. They don't know, that's why they run drug trials. And saying "NO" to all the rest.

So by this doctor insisting that THIS particular boy be included in the 'get the chance' group, she's also causing some other boy/girl NOT to 'get the chance.' Wanting to save a kid you love, or at least have met, is understandable, but I bet whichever child will now NOT get the chance was equally loved by his/her family.
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The doctor wanted to exclude the kid from the study because they "didn't know what happened to him." When pressed to bend the rules, he also expressed concern that any irregularities would jeopardize the business deal.

At the end of the episode, there were only 20 or so people gathered out of 190+.
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At the end of the episode, there were only 20 or so people gathered out of 190+.
Exactly 20, as it turns out.
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So by this doctor insisting that THIS particular boy be included in the 'get the chance' group, she's also causing some other boy/girl NOT to 'get the chance.' Wanting to save a kid you love, or at least have met, is understandable, but I bet whichever child will now NOT get the chance was equally loved by his/her family.
I wasn't aware there was a limit to how many people could participate in a medical trial. If that is the case, that would be a valid point.
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Once again, I figured out whodunnit fairly early. This show is mildly entertaining (plus, Josh Dallas is yummy) but I don't see how this can stretch out over 6-7 seasons. I'm betting it's one of those that will be cancelled and the audience will get no resolution.

I think it would have been better as a limited series, with a definite end. Of course, we're only two episodes in so who knows.
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I find the lead actress so annoying that I honestly don't think that I can sit through another episode.
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Rather a shocking climax to Ep 2.
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I wasn't aware there was a limit to how many people could participate in a medical trial. If that is the case, that would be a valid point.
...someone very close to me was eligible for a potentially life-saving medical trial but got put in the control group instead. Its just the way it works...and is just as heartbreaking in real life.
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I find the lead actress so annoying that I honestly don't think that I can sit through another episode.
The police officer whose fiance married her best friend? I'm not particularly fond of her either; however, that unpleasantness appears to be part of the plot.
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Does anyone believe a kidnapper -- with his victims imprisoned on the premises no less! -- would call the police to report his dogs had been taken???
He didn't. Some woman recorded the "break in" and sent it to the police.

OTOH, he is gonna get off scot free unless she has learned to do what every cops learns- think of Probable Cause. Yes, lie. "I heard some voices calling for help, the dogs were acting weird and led me there, and I heard muffled crying".

Who can refute her?

Otherwise it was a totally illegal search.
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He didn't. Some woman recorded the "break in" and sent it to the police.
Yes, clearly I missed that. One of the drawbacks of doing handwork while 'watching' television.


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OTOH, he is gonna get off scot free unless she has learned to do what every cops learns- think of Probable Cause. Yes, lie. "I heard some voices calling for help, the dogs were acting weird and led me there, and I heard muffled crying".

Who can refute her?

Otherwise it was a totally illegal search.

Hmm. Yeah, they throw out physical evidence found by illegal searches, but what she found was the kidnapped girls, alive. Surely the kids can testify as to what happened to them and who did it?
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I find the lead actress so annoying that I honestly don't think that I can sit through another episode.
YES. I had that same thought while watching the last episode. I'll be happy if the show starts focusing more on other characters.

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The police officer whose fiance married her best friend? I'm not particularly fond of her either; however, that unpleasantness appears to be part of the plot.
For me, it's definitely the actress. I actually don't find the character annoying: she's responding very human-ly (i.e., she isn't perfect), and also we know she went through some kind of trauma shortly before the flight (someone died? maybe in a car accident?). The actress, though, bugs me.
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Old 10-04-2018, 09:53 AM
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I just wish she'd pluck her eyebrows some.
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I also noticed the eyebrows.
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