View Poll Results: Which nominees do you want inducted?
Def Leppard 40 26.49%
Devo 67 44.37%
Janet Jackson 18 11.92%
John Prine 28 18.54%
Kraftwerk 42 27.81%
LL Cool J 16 10.60%
MC5 31 20.53%
Radiohead 46 30.46%
Rage Against the Machine 38 25.17%
Roxy Music 48 31.79%
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan 11 7.28%
Stevie Nicks 61 40.40%
The Cure 67 44.37%
The Zombies 44 29.14%
Todd Rundgren 52 34.44%
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Old 10-09-2018, 06:27 PM
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Rock Hall of Fame Nominees

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame list of nominees was just announced.
  • Def Leppard
  • Devo
  • Janet Jackson
  • John Prine
  • Kraftwerk
  • LL Cool J
  • MC5
  • Radiohead
  • Rage Against the Machine
  • Roxy Music
  • Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
  • Stevie Nicks
  • The Cure
  • The Zombies
  • Todd Rundgren

I've been screaming for years that Roxy Music was never nominated and they finally heard me.

I'll try to post a poll with this so you can vote along to the music.
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Devo's not in already?

Kraftwerk, definitely. And MC5, simply due to their early influence.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:34 PM
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Finally! I was too lazy to do a poll this morning and decided to wait until somebody else started one.

Stevie Nicks
John Prine
Roxy Music
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Devo

Screw everybody else. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is showing its age, I'm afraid.
There really aren't many new nominees to consider, so sooner or later everybody even remotely eligible is going to be nominated, and everyone nominated is going to be elected.
I love rock and roll, so this is sad, and it makes me feel like a relic.
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I like Def Leppard, but Priest and Maiden should get in first.  They'll get the fan vote.  Also, Radiohead, Rage, Todd Rundgren, John Prine, and either LL or Janet.

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How many are typically admitted each year?
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I like Def Leppard, but Priest and Maiden should get in first. They'll get the fan vote. Also, Radiohead, Rage, Todd Rundgren, John Prine, and either LL or Janet.

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Kraftwerk, definitely.
Seconded. We can argue about who started that computer-generated-like sound (I would say Isao Tomita) but they were the ones to really put it on the map and before the general public.
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I guess I didn't know Janet Jackson played Rock & Roll.
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How is it possible that Kraftwerk aren't in it already?

As for Roxy Music, please tell me at least that Brian Eno is already inducted.
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Not a great list. Good acts, but nothing that really stands out as "Damn, of course, they should be in." Even Devo or the Zombies -- the ones that was easiest for me -- don't have very strong cases to be there.
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sooner or later everybody even remotely eligible is going to be nominated, and everyone nominated is going to be elected.
Yeah, there are a lot of examples of that already in the Hall.

Take the Zombies, because I like the Zombies. But they had, what, three hit singles? And they were not one of those groups who had a career of great albums but few or no top-40 hits. And dozens of contemporaneous bands were more influential. The Zombies shouldn't even be on the ballot.
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I guess I didn't know Janet Jackson played Rock & Roll.
About as much as 2008 inductee Madonna.
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Kraftwerk : Enormous influence, distinctive sound and really catchy songs. They definitely should be in although calling them "rock" is a stretch.

Radiohead : If there's only one '90s band to remember, it's them. Musically ambitious which is something that is not frequent in rock, and highly successful at it, too. The Clash were "the only band that matters", Radiohead is the last one that mattered as far as I'm concerned. They definitely should be in.

The Cure : If you had told me in the '80s that the only band from that era to still be huge 30 years later was U2, I'd have had a good laugh. The Cure seemed so much more important, then. At least until 1988. Again, a very distinctive soundworld and style, some far-ranging influence and tons of great songs including over half a dozen major hits. They definitely should be in.

Roxy Music : I'm not a big fan but they deserve some recognition.

Stevie Nicks : Is Fleetwood Mac in ? If yes, I'm not sure her solo career is strong enough for a personal recognition. Still, she is a great frontwoman with charisma and a distinctive voice. Not a great singing voice but she uses it extremely well. If not, let her in, now.
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How many are typically admitted each year?
Typically five to seven from the annual "performers" list of nominees; I believe that nominees which are selected on more than 50% of the total ballots get inducted.
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I'd vote for Radiohead. That's about it.
Yeah, there are a lot of examples of that already in the Hall.

Take the Zombies, because I like the Zombies. But they had, what, three hit singles? And they were not one of those groups who had a career of great albums but few or no top-40 hits. And dozens of contemporaneous bands were more influential. The Zombies shouldn't even be on the ballot.
I love the Zombies. But what I really mean by that is that those three hit singles are wonderful, play-'em-over-and-over-again are aural liquid gold. That's not a Hall of Fame career.
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How is it possible that Kraftwerk aren't in it already?

As for Roxy Music, please tell me at least that Brian Eno is already inducted.
Kraftwerk have been nominated repeatedly; at least for the past few years, they've always seemed to be on the ballot.

Nope, no Brian Eno.

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Stevie Nicks : Is Fleetwood Mac in ? If yes, I'm not sure her solo career is strong enough for a personal recognition. Still, she is a great frontwoman with charisma and a distinctive voice. Not a great singing voice but she uses it extremely well. If not, let her in, now.
Fleetwood Mac were inducted in '98, and Nicks was among the band members named in that induction.
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It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Sold a Lot of Albums.
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Typically five to seven from the annual "performers" list of nominees; I believe that nominees which are selected on more than 50% of the total ballots get inducted.
I don't think the Hall has ever inducted fewer than five inductees for performers and I believe they see five as their minusThere have been more than five inductees over the years, especially in the early years, when the Hall was trying to get all the obvious acts in.

However, the Hall recently expanded the number of nominated acts from ten to fifteen. Expanding the ballot makes it less likely that more than five acts will meet the ballot threshold.

Other things to consider:

-There are other categories. For example, Sister Rosetta Tharpe got in. as an "Early Influence" a few years ago and Nile Rogers was inducted with the relatively-recent category: "Award For Musical Excellence", which covers people who have worn a lot of musical hats but might not have enough to get in as a solo performer (Ringo Starr, Leon Russell)

-The Hall has always had an expansive view of what can be considered rock and roll. Remember, it started as Jann Wenner's baby, and Rolling Stone has always been pretty inclusive.

-Groups aren't eligible until 25 years after their first record (1994).

-Not sure who's in? Sortable list here

-Not sure who's not in? Not In Hall of Fame Ranked List

This list has...

Radiohead at #1
Kraftwerk at #2
Roxy Music at #5
MC5 at #6
The Cure at #11
Todd Rundgren at #13
Janet Jackson at #18
Def Leppard at #41
Rage Against the Machine at #47
Devo at #84
The Zombies at #85
LL Cool J at #88

Not going further.

-The Hall has a playlist for all of the nominees at their website.
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Radiohead will probably be voted in.

I’m guessing that they will turn their noses up at the thought of being inducted and not show up.

I’m hoping whoever plays instead with only play Creep.
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Devo
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine (but just because I'm a fan and I'd like it)
Todd Rundgren
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An interesting list of nominees this year, favoring influential artists and critical darlings. The last few years of inductees have been very much leaning towards the middle-of-the-road arena-touring classic rock radio playlist, so it's good to see something different.

I voted Kraftwerk, Roxy Music, MC5, Radiohead, and Todd Rundgren

Def Leppard: Shouldn't be in before Maiden or Priest
Devo: Probably the act on the list I listen to the most, but shouldn't get in before Kraftwerk
Janet Jackson: Hall has no problems inducting pop and/or R&B stars. She'll get in soon
LL Cool J: Not adverse to rappers in the Hall, but would prefer groundbreaking/influential ones to hitmakers
Rage Against the Machine: Would prefer The Pixies in this slot.
Stevie Nicks: I don't think her solo work is enough to get her in, frankly.
The Cure: Smiths should be first
The Zombies: Meh.
Todd Rundgren: He's hurt because the Performer category only count for music released as Todd Rundgren. No Nazz, no Utopia, and doesn't look at his songwriting and producing for other acts. He's more likely to get in as an Award for Musical Excellence inductee.
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I love the Zombies. But what I really mean by that is that those three hit singles are wonderful, play-'em-over-and-over-again are aural liquid gold. That's not a Hall of Fame career.
My sentiments exactly.
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It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Sold a Lot of Albums.
Tru dat. But a failure to sell that many records back in the day, or have that many listens on media like Spotify or YouTube nowadays, adds up to not being that famous.
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-Not sure who's in? Sortable list here

-Not sure who's not in? Not In Hall of Fame Ranked List

This list has...

Radiohead at #1
Kraftwerk at #2
Roxy Music at #5
MC5 at #6
The Cure at #11
Todd Rundgren at #13
Janet Jackson at #18
Def Leppard at #41
Rage Against the Machine at #47
Devo at #84
The Zombies at #85
LL Cool J at #88
And Jethro Tull at #3.

When I saw that, I checked the first link, because it strained credulity that Tull hadn't been one of the earlier inductees into the Hall. But sure enough, they're not in.

Shit, the opening six notes of "Aqualung" are more famous than a good number of Hall inductees. And I'm just talking about those who are in the HoF as performers.
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And Jethro Tull at #3.

When I saw that, I checked the first link, because it strained credulity that Tull hadn't been one of the earlier inductees into the Hall. But sure enough, they're not in.

Shit, the opening six notes of "Aqualung" are more famous than a good number of Hall inductees. And I'm just talking about those who are in the HoF as performers.
Note that I do, in fact, like Tull quite a bit.

But, I'm not sure that they had the staying power, nor the influence, of some of their contemporaries in 1970s progressive rock.

The Hall has traditionally been seen as having an anti-prog bias (a bias which likely starts from Jann Wenner). But, in the last couple of years, several prog and prog-influenced groups have been elected (Rush, Yes, The Moody Blues, Electric Light Orchestra), and it could well be that some voters feel that they've now done enough to recognize that genre.

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I guess I didn't know Janet Jackson played Rock & Roll.
John Prine may be the greatest songwriter on Earth but, no, not rock and roll.

Why isn't the Guess Who already there?
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I love the Zombies. But what I really mean by that is that those three hit singles are wonderful, play-'em-over-and-over-again are aural liquid gold. That's not a Hall of Fame career.
I’d put em in just for Oddesey and Oracle.

Kraftwerk is a no-brainer. So is Roxy Music. I also voted for the MC5, but, honestly, I’m fine with all the candidates.
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Note that I do, in fact, like Tull quite a bit.

But, I'm not sure that they had the staying power, nor the influence, of some of their contemporaries in 1970s progressive rock.

The Hall has traditionally been seen as having an anti-prog bias (a bias which likely starts from Jann Wenner). But, in the last couple of years, several prog and prog-influenced groups have been elected (Rush, Yes, The Moody Blues, Electric Light Orchestra), and it could well be that some voters feel that they've now done enough to recognize that genre.
Gotta admit that I've never thought of Tull in the same breath as prog rock. They are vastly different, at least to me, from groups like Yes (which I think of as the quintessential prog rock band) and the Moodies.

Also, I don't really think of them as being a 70s band, rather as one of many 1960s second-wave bands whose creative years continued well into the 1970s.
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Gotta admit that I've never thought of Tull in the same breath as prog rock. They are vastly different, at least to me, from groups like Yes (which I think of as the quintessential prog rock band) and the Moodies.

Also, I don't really think of them as being a 70s band, rather as one of many 1960s second-wave bands whose creative years continued well into the 1970s.
And they won a Grammy in 1989. That’s a lot more staying power than most bands that are in. First album in 1968, Grammy in 1989, last album with all new material 1999. What’s the definition of staying power?

Ok sure Crest of a Knave should not have won in the metal category but it was a damn fine album.
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Right now Janet Jackson is second last in the poll, which is appalling. A very good argument can be made that she is the MOST deserving artist on the list, and absolutely no rational argument can be made that she is anywhere near the least.

Jackson was for a solid eight or ten years one of the most popular and critically acclaimed musicians in the world. Her albums were some of the most technically proficient and brilliantly produced of their time. She's behind Def Leppard? Seriously?
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Why isn't the Guess Who already there?
No time left for (Guess) Who? Maybe they won't be there to shake Burton Cummings' hand?

I'm definitely a fan of Cummings and the Guess Who. But I don't think of them as a top-tier band.
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Right now Janet Jackson is second last in the poll, which is appalling. A very good argument can be made that she is the MOST deserving artist on the list, and absolutely no rational argument can be made that she is anywhere near the least.

Jackson was for a solid eight or ten years one of the most popular and critically acclaimed musicians in the world. Her albums were some of the most technically proficient and brilliantly produced of their time. She's behind Def Leppard? Seriously?
Bear in mind that the poll (the fan vote) winds up being used to create *one* ballot, out of the 500 or so that get cast for the annual vote. It winds up becoming a popularity contest, often fueled by social media postings by the performers, or their supporters. When ELO was on the ballot, two years ago, there were several ELO fan groups on Facebook which were actively encouraging fans to vote every day for the band (and, IIRC, they came in first or second in the fan vote).
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Oh!

Maybe the SDMB fan base is just too old and nerdy. After all, at this moment, the other two lowest-polling performers are a rap artist and a 1970s funk band.

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Right now Janet Jackson is second last in the poll, which is appalling. A very good argument can be made that she is the MOST deserving artist on the list, and absolutely no rational argument can be made that she is anywhere near the least.

Jackson was for a solid eight or ten years one of the most popular and critically acclaimed musicians in the world. Her albums were some of the most technically proficient and brilliantly produced of their time. She's behind Def Leppard? Seriously?
Because I can use whatever criteria I wish I only pick Rock artists to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Because I can use whatever criteria I wish I only pick Rock artists to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
That's what it was for me. I don't think of her as "rock." Her work is fantastic, and Rhythm Nation is part of the soundtrack of my childhood. Yes, I understand the Hall has a rather expansive definition, I guess, so they should just change their name to Popular Music Hall of Fame and be done with it.
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Right now Janet Jackson is second last in the poll, which is appalling. A very good argument can be made that she is the MOST deserving artist on the list, and absolutely no rational argument can be made that she is anywhere near the least.

Jackson was for a solid eight or ten years one of the most popular and critically acclaimed musicians in the world. Her albums were some of the most technically proficient and brilliantly produced of their time. She's behind Def Leppard? Seriously?
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Neither is Joan Baez.
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WAG-Someone feels Janet Jackson fits that criteria.
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LL Cool J: Not adverse to rappers in the Hall, but would prefer groundbreaking/influential ones to hitmakers
Well, isn't the first hitmaker in a genre a "groundbreaker"? There was a thread on this very topic awhile back and I made a post about how LL Cool J pretty much comes down to whether you think rappers should be in or not. If you support a broader Hall that includes any rappers (many of whom certainly are ROCKSTARS, but whether they are rockers is another questions) at all, he's in. Period. If you don't want any rappers, I get it. He was without a doubt a groundbreaker and influential in his genre, to the point of inspiring many beefs with the latest hot MC who wanted to be him. I would say his influence only waned a good 12-15 years in his career after he became more of an actor who made songs for "fans in high heels," but even then he was still respected by most other rappers and the industry.
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Here's what I said the last time this came up:

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Janet Jackson is NOT Rock and Roll. Period.
Neither is Kraftwerk. It's preposterous to not vote for Jackson because she's not rock and roll and yet vote for Kraftwerk, and yet people do. Roxy Music is pretty thin gruel as rock and roll, and Devo sure as hell isn't rock and roll. In fact, people in this thread have been expressing surprise that Devo and Kraftwerk aren't already in, thought they are not "rock and roll."

Hell, technically NONE of those acts are "rock and roll." Some are rock, but that's not the same thing if we're going to be picky about specifically what "rock and roll" means.

See, we are discussing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not rock and roll. The museum and institution in Cleveland, Ohio has rather clearly and indisputably established that it seeks to induct artists for excellence in not only rock and roll but also rock, punk, metal, pop, rap, electronica, disco, and other direct descendants of rock and roll. If Kraftwerk is a good choice, so is Janet Jackson. If she's not, neither is Kraftwerk.
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If Kraftwerk is a good choice, so is Janet Jackson. If she's not, neither is Kraftwerk.
Jackson isn't fit to oil Kraftwerk's ten-speed racers.

She's just another in the stable of disposable background pop, high-selling and forgettable. They're the juggernauts of electronica at the vanguard of a whole new sound. If she's going in you might as well induct One Direction and have done with it.

Kraftwerk are far, far more influential. She was smack-bang in the middle of my era and yet I can't even bring a song of hers easily to mind. I thought of "opposite attract" but then realised that was Paula Abdul. Even she lingered longer in the memory.
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Jackson isn't fit to oil Kraftwerk's ten-speed racers.

She's just another in the stable of disposable background pop, high-selling and forgettable. They're the juggernauts of electronica at the vanguard of a whole new sound.
As someone said upthread, it's the Hall of Fame.

Janet Jackson is famous. Not only has she sold a shitload of records, but people like me who have no idea what her stuff sounds like, know who she is. (And had heard of her well before the 'wardrobe malfunction.') At least in the U.S.A., Kraftwerk is not famous at all. If you went down to the local McDonalds and asked the customers waiting in line who Kraftwerk is, good luck with that.
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MC: So you wanna hear some ROCK AND ROLL?!
Crowd: YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!
MC: WELL HERE! YOU! GO!!!

So ... please tell me which Janet Jackson song would make this crowd go wild. Seriously, educate me.
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If she's not, neither is Kraftwerk.
Somehow I'm ok with that.
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