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Another possible attack for Sanders would be to investigate Biden under 18 U.S. Code § 599 for Biden's offer of a cabinet position for Yang in exchange for Yang's endorsement.
This is surely some bizarre form of performance art, right?
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Another possible attack for Sanders would be to investigate Biden under 18 U.S. Code § 599 for Biden's offer of a cabinet position for Yang in exchange for Yang's endorsement.
LOL. Two smears in one sentence. For that to have been true (which I'm sure it isn't), Yang would have had to accept a cabinet position in exchange for his endorsement.

Yang's campaign manager has said that's not true. Zach Graumann:

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BREAKING: @AndrewYang makes his endorsement of @JoeBiden.

For the #YangGang who don’t love this, please know. There was no horse-trading, back-room dealings, or political calculations.

I just texted Yang the logic and he made the decision on air. We must unite the country.
Will you be saying the same thing about Tulsi? She just dropped out and endorsed Biden for the same reason. . . Biden is the presumptive nominee.

Your creativity is amusing though.

I'm seeing Bernie supporters hating on both Yang and Tulsi for their endorsements. I'm wondering what happens when Bernie drops out and endorses Biden. Will the supporters turn on each other. . .or Bernie? Both? Neither? I've seen a few early signs of both.
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Aww, so disappointing. Right after I posted my last reply, I coincidentally ran across this post on Reddit in the Presidential Race Memes sub. from a DM.

Andrew Yang is on the Breakfast Club saying Biden said he'd have a cabinet position if he endorsed Biden. Under Title 18, Section 599 of the United States Code, this is illegal and Biden can be punished by up to 2 years in prison. Please spread this message to hold Biden accountable for his actions.

So maybe it's not so original after all.

The video is an interview with Yang on The Breakfast Club. Yang talks about how Biden had discussed the possibility of Yang being in his administration. The part that's lacking is that Yang didn't agree to endorse Biden in exchange.

I've also seen Yang say this same thing many months before Yang dropped out of the race, about Biden talking about a place for Yang in the Biden administration. It went something like Biden telling Yang that he had just as much chance of winning as he did. If Yang won, Biden would step aside. If Biden won, he's be talking to Yang about a position in his administration.

Also, to clarify my question about the Bernie supporters, I was talking about *some* Bernie supporters, not necessarily all of them.
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Not sure that helps with "What's Bernie's remaining realistic path to the nomination?"

Biden being AFK and having poor answers to a pandemic is Bernie's key.
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or a live boy/dead girl scenario.
That cliché has had its run and needs to be retired now. Pete Buttigieg campaigned with his live boy by his side and didn't do any worse than most.
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Bernie's chances have been over since Super Tuesday. I'd like to see Biden more active though, it'd be a stark contrast to Trump's behaviour; its a wasted opportunity that Bernie is using (with no/little effect).

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Biden being AFK and having poor answers to a pandemic is Bernie's key.
Feels like it's just the opposite:
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Biden gave a preview of what’s to come in a conference call with reporters Friday, where he listed a litany of false and misleading statements from Trump, who has been holding regular White House press conferences concerning coronavirus preparedness and response that have been broadcast live on all major networks.
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Yeah, #whereisjoe one of the Twitter hashtags that the Bros have been using.
Too bad that Sanders supporters are much better at snarky tweets than actual votes.
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Old 03-22-2020, 05:26 PM
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Not sure that helps with "What's Bernie's remaining realistic path to the nomination?"

Biden being AFK and having poor answers to a pandemic is Bernie's key.
Bernie has lost.

It's over.

No, Neither are going to make mass public appearances, as such have been banned.
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Bernie with another win, this time of overseas voters.

Things are still looking close.


With Biden's very shaky and rambling recent video appearances and his lack of a coherent policy of ending capital domination of workers, Bernie can really drive this one home.
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Lol, "lack of a coherent policy of ending capital domination of workers". Yeah, you've really got your finger on the American pulse. If you think your contributions are making anyone think twice, you are super duper wrong.
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Bernie with another win, this time of overseas voters.

Things are still looking close.


With Biden's very shaky and rambling recent video appearances and his lack of a coherent policy of ending capital domination of workers, Bernie can really drive this one home.
If Bernie gets big, big wins in all the remaining states, maybe he can.

But this is exceedingly unlikely to happen. If it does, I'll cheer very loudly, but I have very little expectation that it will.
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Bernie won California with 35%. He won his home state with 50%. For him to win at this point, he needs to win 60%+ of all remaining delegates. Nuff said.
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No, they're not.

For those who don't like clicking Twitter links, the link I shared is Nate Silver tweeting, "Sanders would need 63% the remaining delegates to claim a majority, which is roughly equivalent to winning the remaining contests by ~25 points.

Biden would need 45% of remaining delegates for a majority, equivalent to *losing* remaining contests by ~10 points."

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Bernie with another win, this time of overseas voters.

Things are still looking close.


With Biden's very shaky and rambling recent video appearances and his lack of a coherent policy of ending capital domination of workers, Bernie can really drive this one home.
When Bernie loses (we’re past “if” at this point), how are you going to handle it? You seem to be pretty invested in a Sanders victory, to the point where you’re willing to avoid reality to keep yourself optimistic. I think anyone who is holding out hope right now for the nomination needs to consider that.

I don’t blame people for supporting Sanders, and early in the race a win was even probable, but at this point only delusion lets a person think that the likelihood of a win is somehow increasing.
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Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. I tend to strongly disagree with Manwich, but I don't see what was report-worthy in what Stamos quoted. Seriously, explain it to me: I have reread it like ten times and I don't get it. The entire text he quoted from Manwich read as follows:

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With Biden out of the picture, this has been a great chance for Bernie to show his leadership and the advantage of healthcare for all USA people.

Imagine losing your job now or being a gig worker with no health care under your unique first world yet cruel system.

Hopefully Biden drops out of the race now his policies have been laid bare as feeble.

Did it use to say something else? Is there some idiom there ("bare as feeble"?) I'm unfamiliar with, that is beyond the pale? I seriously don't get it.
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Are you kidding? "With Biden out of the picture" and "Hopefully Biden drops out of the race now his policies have been laid bare as feeble" sound like reality based jump offs for discussion?
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As much reality as anything else delusional Bernie supporters ever say. It's true that Biden has been out of the picture--#WheresJoe was trending on Twitter after he didn't make an appearance for a solid week--and of course the Bernie crowd thinks center-left proposals like Biden's are weak tea. What's so new or shocking about this?
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Are you kidding? "With Biden out of the picture" and "Hopefully Biden drops out of the race now his policies have been laid bare as feeble" sound like reality based jump offs for discussion?
It is against the rules to accuse a poster of doing what that poster did. We are only supposed to report. And I have.
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If they buy it that completely, it's too delusional for me. Not sure all who spout it all honestly buy it.
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I'm surprised that people are still not quite clear on how distorted the worldview of many Bernie supporters is. (Sincerely, earnestly, distorted in most cases IMO.) It's been five years now, I'm used to it.
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Bernie is going to stay in the race until the New York primary on April 28.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/bernie...rce=reddit.com

(Yes, the NY Post isn't the best of sources, but the data appears valid.)
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Bernie is going to stay in the race until the New York primary on April 28.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/bernie...rce=reddit.com

(Yes, the NY Post isn't the best of sources, but the data appears valid.)
Let’s see if the next debate takes place. I highly doubt it will. The Bros will scream rigged, but we’ve already heard that a million times. Outside of social media, Bernie isn’t in the picture. Whenever primaries resume, Biden will destroy Bernie.

Biden should do like Bill Clinton did with Jerry Brown in 1992, just ignore the gadfly.
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One of the Bernouts in my Facebook feed keeps muttering darkly about "exit polls" and fomenting conspiracy theories that the primaries have been "rigged." What is the straight dope that could be offered to refute that? My guess is that Bernouts have been selectively selecting "exit poll" numbers to gin up a conspiracy versus the actual vote totals. I'd ask what they even expect to accomplish by this, but as seen even here, some are still kidding themselves that Bernie still has any path to the nomination at all, and somehow hope that they can demolish Biden with their dark mutterings.
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One of the Bernouts in my Facebook feed keeps muttering darkly about "exit polls" and fomenting conspiracy theories that the primaries have been "rigged." What is the straight dope that could be offered to refute that? My guess is that Bernouts have been selectively selecting "exit poll" numbers to gin up a conspiracy versus the actual vote totals. I'd ask what they even expect to accomplish by this, but as seen even here, some are still kidding themselves that Bernie still has any path to the nomination at all, and somehow hope that they can demolish Biden with their dark mutterings.
There’s been some Bernieland reports that exit polls were stronger for Bernie thus the DNC or the establishment must have rigged the votes to screw Bernie.

I haven’t looked at how they gather the data these days or how they normalise the results. I think it’s safe to say that Bernie’s voters are very eager to tell the pollster who they voted for.
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One of the Bernouts in my Facebook feed keeps muttering darkly about "exit polls" and fomenting conspiracy theories that the primaries have been "rigged." What is the straight dope that could be offered to refute that? My guess is that Bernouts have been selectively selecting "exit poll" numbers to gin up a conspiracy versus the actual vote totals. I'd ask what they even expect to accomplish by this, but as seen even here, some are still kidding themselves that Bernie still has any path to the nomination at all, and somehow hope that they can demolish Biden with their dark mutterings.
The same argument was made in 2016. It comes from them not knowing how Exit Polls work (more accurately, their limitations; exit polls sample a small amount of voters and they are not purely randomized which means they are useful for some things - like demographics and the like - but not for predicting the actual outcomes.)
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Biden says there have been enough debates

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...debates-148620
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Good for Joe. Time to wind this shit down. Let Bernie buy his own airtime.
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Good for Joe. Time to wind this shit down. Let Bernie buy his own airtime.
Exactly, the die hard Bernie folk aren’t getting on board anyway. Let them tweet their thumbs out. Let them troll.
Share all the creepy Joe and dementia Joe memes and GIFs they want to. They’re REALLY LOUD, they’re REALLY ASSHOLISH. But, they’re a reminder that social media isn’t real life.
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And they make it a lot harder for Team Trump to try to tag Biden as a radical socialist, as they probably would have done if Bernie weren't running. Silver lining!


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Biden should do like Bill Clinton did with Jerry Brown in 1992, just ignore the gadfly.

Wasn't there at least one debate between just the two of them? I can picture them sitting at a desk (maybe on Meet the Press?) and Brown pushing that 800 number of his, the precursor of Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders raising so much money online.
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Wikipedia says there were 1992 debates with just Brown and Clinton but they don't list a source for that .
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Wikipedia says there were 1992 debates with just Brown and Clinton but they don't list a source for that .
Wow, that's........a lot of debates
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Naturally, my copy of Revolt at the Ballot Box seems to be buried deep in my closet. I’ll see if I run across it while I’m doing some lockdown cleaning. They may have done some sort of joint appearance on Larry King or one of the Sunday shows.

I do definitely remember that Clinton just decided to pivot to the general and take on Bush and leave Brown as an annoying puppy nipping at his ankles.
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I do definitely remember that Clinton just decided to pivot to the general and take on Bush and leave Brown as an annoying puppy nipping at his ankles.
There was this fellow named Perot scuttling about independently too. Amusing.
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Sanders can now use his success at scuttling Republicans attempts to deny money to the unemployed.

Biden still seems dazed in interviews.

Should Sanders pivot towards a battle against Bidens likely replacement? Clinton possibly?
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Good idea. Bernie's clear path now is to go hard after Clinton.
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Clinton? Really?

Wow. That's entirely divorced from reality. I knew there were parallels with conservatives, but this fixation with Hillary Clinton is supremely bizarre.
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No, it's totally reasonable. Clinton is now in 2nd place to win the nomination, according to the betting sites. Ahead of Sanders!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/el...20_nomination/

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Sanders can now use his success at scuttling Republicans attempts to deny money to the unemployed.

Biden still seems dazed in interviews.

Should Sanders pivot towards a battle against Bidens likely replacement? Clinton possibly?
Reported.
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He did another fireside chat video last night.
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I breathlessly await your update on whether you watched the whole thing or not.
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No, it's totally reasonable. Clinton is now in 2nd place to win the nomination, according to the betting sites. Ahead of Sanders!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/el...20_nomination/
It looks like she's also ahead of Andrew Cuomo who, although he looks right now like an excellent bet for the next non-Biden Presidential nominee, has not ever even formed an exploratory committee nor expressed interest in running for President, and is also in front of Sanders.
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Bernie’s campaign has yet again jumped the shark. His press secretary is now tweeting like a Bernie Bro about hating Bernie so much rather than wanting people to have health insurance

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Biden still seems dazed in interviews.

Should Sanders pivot towards a battle against Bidens likely replacement? Clinton possibly?
Reported.
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Why are we reporting this guy? I don't agree with anything Manwich is saying but it does not rise (sink) to the level of out-and-out trolling, to my mind.
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Well, unfortunately, they think they've found a loophole around the "don't call someone a troll" rule. So they are announcing their report for trolling.
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