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Old 04-20-2011, 11:35 AM
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Stupid liberal idea of the day


So many to choose from.... Let's start with a classic example of the jackass Nanny State mentality:

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Red rover, red rover, send the New York State Department of Health right over. And back and forth the state agency is going, wobbling between regulating classic outdoor games such as Red Rover and pulling all regulations on those games.

To appease a 2009 law (set to hit the books this year) aimed at regulating summer and day camp programs , the agency formed a list of “non-passive recreational activities with significant risk of injury” that if a program took part in would then classify the program as a camp, requiring additional—and costly—staffing for medical purposes and record keeping.

The list, which went before the state's legislature, hit the public this month and surprised more than a few people with the inclusion of wiffleball, red rover, dodgeball, kickball, tag (of all forms, even the ever-popular freeze tag), capture the flag, tetherball and so many more.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/04/20/...#ixzz1K4sONFA1

Wiffleball? Freeze tag? I'm surprised the legislature didn't mandate that kids all be wrapped in cotton padding 24/7 until their 18th birthday. A perfect example of government "fixing" something that was never broken, and doing so in a massive stupid manner.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:54 AM
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It sounds like all they're saying is if you have kids doing things known to be inherently dangerous you need to have someone around who maybe knows stuff like CPR. Doesn't seem too different than saying if you're gonna have a pool you need a lifegaurd. We're taking about summer camp, not your back yard.
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It sounds like all they're saying is if you have kids doing things known to be inherently dangerous you need to have someone around who maybe knows stuff like CPR. Doesn't seem too different than saying if you're gonna have a pool you need a lifeguard. We're taking about summer camp, not your back yard.
These regs sound sensible to me, considering that kids can get really rambunctious and can hurt themselves. But neocons (and some pragmatic progressives, of which I'm one) get pissy if anything sound like kids are being coddled, which results in 'these kids today' kinds of sneering statements (evidence of this for the latter group can be found in these two articles at this website.
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Yeah, seems a bit stupid. If you hadn't stopped reading there, you might have noticed this, two paragraphs later:

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Then an odd thing happened on Tuesday afternoon. The agency pulled its entire list of guidelines, scrapping the five-page document made in January outlining which activities were acceptable and which required more oversight.

“We have withdrawn the guidance and are looking at new guidance,” Claudia Hutton, the agency's public affairs director tells NewsFeed. “The guidance previously issued under a different administration needed further review.”
If the worst "stupid liberal idea" you can come up with is a wiffle-ball prohibition that was apparently never even implemented, I guess we're not doing too badly?
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OK, Clothahump's first effort was a fail, but there are better examples if you know where to look:

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Florida officials are investigating an unemployment agency that spent public money to give 6,000 superhero capes to the jobless.

Workforce Central Florida spent more than $14,000 on the red capes as part of its "Cape-A-Bility Challenge" public relations campaign. The $73,000 campaign features a cartoon character "Dr. Evil Unemployment" who needs to be vanquished....
Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
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Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
But it's Florida. Just about everything that happens there is batshit crazy. I've never been, but is there some sort of IQ test you have to fail at the border before they let you in?
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But it's Florida. Just about everything that happens there is batshit crazy. I've never been, but is there some sort of IQ test you have to fail at the border before they let you in?
Yes, it is a requirement. If you have to ask you don't deserve admittance.
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Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough.
Is Superman a liberal? I always had him pegged for a righty, with all the law-and-order bullshit and the lantern jaw. A liberal superhero would definitely be sporting a weak chin.
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Is Superman a liberal? I always had him pegged for a righty, with all the law-and-order bullshit and the lantern jaw. A liberal superhero would definitely be sporting a weak chin.
That explains why Ollie Queen grew that goatee -- to hide his weak chin.
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Is Superman a liberal?
Well, he is for Truth and Justice.
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OK, Clothahump's first effort was a fail, but there are better examples if you know where to look:



Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
Dude! ANY money spent on Superhero capes is money well spent!
Go ahead - raise my taxes - Superhero capes for EVERYONE!
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OK, Clothahump's first effort was a fail, but there are better examples if you know where to look:



Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
I'm sorry but this example is just hilarious. Buying unemployed people red capes as part of a program called the "Cape-a-Bility Challenge" in order to vanquish "Dr Evil Unemployment"?

I can't believe that's even real.

"Hey, I still haven't found a job, but I have this nifty cape!".
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OK, Clothahump's first effort was a fail, but there are better examples if you know where to look:

Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
It wasn't a failure. I was pointing out the idiocy of NY doing it in the first place. I'm sorry that point swooshed right over your head.
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It wasn't a failure. I was pointing out the idiocy of NY doing it in the first place. I'm sorry that point swooshed right over your head.
That actually made me laugh out loud. So it was a swhoosh, huh? Ha ha ha ha, yeah, right. You are a silly man.


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It wasn't a failure. I was pointing out the idiocy of NY doing it in the first place. I'm sorry that point swooshed right over your head.
But this thread is stupid liberal ideas, not stupid New York ideas.
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OK, Clothahump's first effort was a fail, but there are better examples if you know where to look:



Admittedly, it's not obvious why this is a "liberal" idea per se, but it's a government benefits program, which is close enough. So, let's just forget that first embarrassment ever happened and pick up with this one, shall we?
The Governor of Florida is a Republican.

The Florida House is Republican.

The Florida Senate is Republican.

I think you're in the wrong thread.
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The Governor of Florida is a Republican.

The Florida House is Republican.

The Florida Senate is Republican.

I think you're in the wrong thread.
Points taken.

Hokay, does anybody have an acutal example of liberal stupidity that isn't 1)something that was quickly retracted on second thought or 2)something performed under conservative (rather than liberal) management?
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Clothahump isn't very smart. Can we get another conservative to in here to keep this thread moving?
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Dumb fucking liberals! Insisting that medical aid be available in case a kid gets hurt.

What's wrong with: "Rub some dirt on it, you little pansy?"
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The Department of Health yesterday announced they had changed their policy on most of the sports, as your link says.

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“We have withdrawn the guidance and are looking at new guidance,” Claudia Hutton, the agency's public affairs director tells NewsFeed. “The guidance previously issued under a different administration needed further review.”

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The Department of Health yesterday announced they had changed their policy on most of the sports, as your link says.
In Clothahump's defense, he may have assumed the rescindment was pursued by gun-loving Kenyan-hating conservative Americans, and so didn't contradict his theme.

But that's nonsense, of course. The right-wingers would have formed into several camps, none working for rescindment:
  • Those blowing it out of proportion to prove "liberals suck."
  • Those whose main concern would be that immigrants not get access to the extra medical care.
  • Those working to ensure that any new public contracts are overpriced and delivered to their right-wing favorites like Haliburtion and Corrections Corp.
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Err... so a summer camp has to employ someone who knows first aid and CPR, and keep a first aid kit handy? Oh Noes, how ever will they meet such onerous requirements?

(Seriously, how the hell does this increase costs for any one in any way? TFA quotes some state legislator who says something to that effect, but doesn't give any specifics.)
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Err... so a summer camp has to employ someone who knows first aid and CPR, and keep a first aid kit handy? Oh Noes, how ever will they meet such onerous requirements?

(Seriously, how the hell does this increase costs for any one in any way? TFA quotes some state legislator who says something to that effect, but doesn't give any specifics.)
No.

Suppose your neighborhood association sets up a week long event where the kids come for, say, three hours an afternoon for a week to play games and have fun. By no stretch of the imagination is this a "camp", but under these guidelines, it would be, with registration fees, etc., etc..

And yes, folks, NY did back off. The issue was not that they backed off, but that they did it in the first place.
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And yes, folks, NY did back off. The issue was not that they backed off, but that they did it in the first place.
And how did you identify those responsible as liberal?
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And how did you identify those responsible as liberal?
Magical or psychic powers?
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And how did you identify those responsible as liberal?
I would like an explanation of this, as well. I've noticed the more vocal the conservative, the more likely that conservative is to blame anything bad on liberals.
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And how did you identify those responsible as liberal?
You know. No shadow, doesn't show up in mirrors, plants wither at their touch, dogs howling when they approach. That sort of thing.
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You know. No shadow, doesn't show up in mirrors, plants wither at their touch, dogs howling when they approach. That sort of thing.
That's what did it for me.
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The issue was not that they backed off, but that they did it in the first place.
Whoah there big fellah!

Are you sure you want to open this up to ANYTHING advanced from the far left whether or not it is generally accepted by main-stream liberals (or even the D party)? To do so invites conservatives to be lumped in with fascists, unabombers, skinheads, M.Bachmann, etc.

There are embarassments on both sides. A useful thread might be an equal-opportunity bash of extremism. But a bash of EVERYTHING left of center is pretty pointless.
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Whoah there big fellah!

Are you sure you want to open this up to ANYTHING advanced from the far left whether or not it is generally accepted by main-stream liberals (or even the D party)? To do so invites conservatives to be lumped in with fascists, unabombers, skinheads, M.Bachmann, etc.

There are embarassments on both sides. A useful thread might be an equal-opportunity bash of extremism. But a bash of EVERYTHING left of center is pretty pointless.
Yes indeed.

That is the major problem with this thread - in contrast to the "Stupid Republican idea of the day" thread, we have this "Stupid liberal idea of the day" thread. (instead of "stupid Democrat idea of the day")

Why do you suppose that is?
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Clothy, you're really not smart enough to post here. Maybe you should just accept that politics confuses and angers you and let it go.
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Yes indeed.

That is the major problem with this thread - in contrast to the "Stupid Republican idea of the day" thread, we have this "Stupid liberal idea of the day" thread. (instead of "stupid Democrat idea of the day")

Why do you suppose that is?
Because Democrat = Liberal.
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And yes, folks, NY did back off. The issue was not that they backed off, but that they did it in the first place.
When did "no takebacks" get called?
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OK, quickly now, name 3 major ways in which "Obamacare" differs significantly from the health plan proposed by George Bush? Bonus points for 'off the top of my head, without Google"
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Suppose your neighborhood association sets up a week long event where the kids come for, say, three hours an afternoon for a week to play games and have fun. By no stretch of the imagination is this a "camp", but under these guidelines, it would be, with registration fees, etc., etc..
What do you think those events are called? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a C and ends with a P. That's right, in NY state we call those events Clothahump.

No, we call them camp.
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Fair enough. There aren't enough in the world for that one. And $73k could actually be spent on something useful, like computers that unemployed people can use to find jobs, along with a part-time tech support guy to maintain 'em.
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Fair enough. There aren't enough in the world for that one. And $73k could actually be spent on something useful, like computers that unemployed people can use to find jobs, along with a part-time tech support guy to maintain 'em.
What are these unemployeds doing at a kids' summer camp?
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So many to choose from....
Then why on earth did you choose that one?
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Then why on earth did you choose that one?
As good a place as any.

I could have started with Obamacare. I could have gone back to Social Security and Medicare. We are all aware that those are massive doses of liberal stupidity; I chose something more recent.
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I could have started with Obamacare. I could have gone back to Social Security and Medicare. We are all aware that those are massive doses of liberal stupidity
True for very limited values of 'we.'
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True for very limited values of 'we.'
Personally, I'd like to hear directly from the mouse in his pocket.
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As good a place as any.

I could have started with Obamacare. I could have gone back to Social Security and Medicare. We are all aware that those are massive doses of liberal stupidity; I chose something more recent.
So why do conservatives and Tea Partiers overwhelmingly oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid? In a Marist/McClatchy poll released on April 18 (PDF), 73% of Republicans opposed Medicare cuts, and 70% of Tea Partiers opposed cuts to Medicare to reduce the deficit.

Who is out of touch, you or the conservatives?
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So why do conservatives and Tea Partiers overwhelmingly oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid? In a Marist/McClatchy poll released on April 18 (PDF), 73% of Republicans opposed Medicare cuts, and 70% of Tea Partiers opposed cuts to Medicare to reduce the deficit.
My guess would be that Clothahump has examined the Republicans and the Tea Partiers and found them to be, to his mind, Liberals. Thus, no disconnect.
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I could have started with Obamacare. I could have gone back to Social Security and Medicare. We are all aware that those are massive doses of liberal stupidity; I chose something more recent.
And something extremely simple and inconsequential that you're more likely to comprehend. Unlike "Obamacare," which I am fairly confident you know almost nothing about except that it's "socialist."
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As good a place as any.

I could have started with Obamacare. I could have gone back to Social Security and Medicare. We are all aware that those are massive doses of liberal stupidity; I chose something more recent.
What exactly is stupid about social security? Wasn't it Bush jr and Washington Republicans that wanted to dump social security money in the stock market less than a year before the market crash? Good thing liberals were there to stop it.

And who does "we all" mean in that second sentence? The stupidity in Obamacare is that Republicans were able to castrate it and remove most of the really beneficial stuff before it was passed.
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Has anyone considered the air-traffic control implications of thousands of moochers and bums whizzing through the skies? OK, maybe "whizzing" isn't the best word....
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Has anyone considered the air-traffic control implications of thousands of moochers and bums whizzing through the skies? OK, maybe "whizzing" isn't the best word....
Would a copy of Atlas Shrugged weaken them like Kryptonite weakens Superman?
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