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Rukmini Callimachi, New York Times:
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To grasp the extent of the crimes the Arab militias fighting for Turkey are carrying out in Syria, read the autopsy of the Kurdish politician executed a few days ago. Her legs & jaw were broken, she was dragged by her hair until the skin of her scalp came out & repeatedly shot:
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CNN: Kurds say Turkey is violating hours-old 'ceasefire' in northern Syria
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Clashes continued on the border between Turkey and Syria on Friday, according to eyewitnesses and Kurdish fighters, despite US Vice President Mike Pence's announcement that he and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had brokered a five-day ceasefire there.

Shelling and artillery fire was reported Friday in the border town of Ras al-Ain, one of the targets of Turkey's week-old offensive against Kurdish fighters, who have long been backed by the United States.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) told CNN that shelling by the Turkish military and the Syrian rebel proxies supporting them has hit a number of civilian areas in Ras al-Ain, including a hospital. The SDF says five fighters were killed in the attack.
The Guardian: UN investigates alleged use of white phosphorus in Syria
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UN chemical weapons inspectors have announced they are gathering information following accusations that burning white phosphorus was used by Turkish forces against children in Syria earlier this week.
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The Kurdish Red Crescent said in a statement that six patients, both civilian and military, were in hospital in Hasakah with burns from “unknown weapons” and it was working to evaluate what had been used.
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A British chemical weapons expert sent photographs from a former colleague of a child with a badly burned torso in a frontline hospital said he thought it was likely they showed chemical burns.

Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of the UK’s chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear regiment, said: “The most likely culprit is white phosphorus. It is a horrific weapon, and has been used repeatedly during the Syrian civil war; unfortunately its use has become increasingly normalised.”
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Erdogan, who reportedly threw Trump's letter in the bin, makes clear his displeasure:
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Letter to him from @POTUS "was not in line with diplomatic and political courtesy. We will not forget this lack of respect. This is not a priority for us. But when the time comes we would like it to be known that we will take the necessary steps," says @RTErdogan.
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The ex-Turkish ambassador to the United States is openly mocking Trump on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/NamikTan/status/...458714625?s=19

The Turks are using these 120 hours to re-arm and resupply. Come Monday, the true genocide will begin.
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I do hope Trump is seeing all this in his daily twitter feed.
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I do hope Trump is seeing all this in his daily twitter feed.
Maybe John Oliver needs to get the Catheter Cowboy to do another spot on Fox so Trump can learn some things about what his actions have caused.
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Holy hell, we're now at the point where diplomatic niceties, however forced and false, don't matter anymore.
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
Yesterday, Trump spoke of the Kurds living along the border, saying that Turkey "had to have it cleaned out."
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
The fat orange idiot's entire vocabulary is made of superlatives and catch phrases he's heard somewhere. There are only so many word and phrase combinations he can compose given those limits. But there are 280 characters to fill, so he must use every resource at his disposal.
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

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Yesterday, Trump spoke of the Kurds living along the border, saying that Turkey "had to have it cleaned out."
It's like he was given a Genocide Thesaurus.
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It's like he was given a Genocide Thesaurus.
Stephen Miller keeps stealing it to jack off to it.
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Dustin Volz, Wall Street Journal:
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"We are sheep to the slaughter."

Thousands of Kurdish families dash from Turkish-backed forces spilling into Syria. Once U.S. allies, they are now abandoned.
And winter's coming.
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Daily Mail: 'Dad stop the burning, I beg you': Horrifying footage reveals badly-burned Kurdish children in Syria amid claims Turkey is using banned weapons such as napalm and white phosphorus
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With NATO allies like Turkey...
Does NATO need to come to Turkey's aid if it claims the "Syrians' are attacking it?

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Does NATO need to come to Turkey's aid if it claims the "Syrians' are attacking it?
It looks to me as if the text of the treaty doesn't oblige NATO to respond unless Turkey is attacked on its own turf. And politically, I'm not sure the rest of NATO would do anything even if Syria did launch a counter-invasion. They could just say, "You started this without consulting us. NATO doesn't exist as cover to hide behind if you're going to go around starting fights you can't finish."
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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
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For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey
or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
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In addition to what Gorsnak mentioned, Article 5 requires that NATO allies "assist the Party ... by taking forthwith ... such action as it deems necessary...". NATO allies are free to decide that their assistance should take non-military forms. "we'll send an official tweet, asking the Syrians to stop invading" or something like that.
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A buffer zone is acceptable to the Kurds but a military occupation that displaces hundreds of thousands is not a safe zone. It is ethnic cleansing.
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Trump said this? He actually thinks it's appropriate? Congress needs to arrange a middle East trip for Trump. Let him see first hand the body bags and bloated corpses that he's directly responsible for facilitating. Woman, children multilated & some dying. Trump thinks of it as a schoolyard fight? Is he completely insane?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/polit...ght/index.html
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Trump was praising the deal reached earlier in the day between Vice President Mike Pence and Erdogan during negotiations in the Turkish capital of Ankara. The deal appears to secure for Turkey most of its military objectives, forcing America's onetime allies in the fight against ISIS -- Kurdish forces -- to cede a vast swath of territory
Trump and members of Congress need to see this first hand or at least see professional video of what's happening. See the aid camps and hospital wards.

The US did this and we all have to own it.

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On a behind, another body lay zipped into a large blue bag – a young woman this time, also dressed in green and wearing the patches of Kurdish forces. The medical worker straightened her head and gently swept the dead woman’s hair from her face. “We have five martyrs now,” she said, pointing across the makeshift morgue. “Three military and two civilians. The fighters were trying to rescue the others.”

The war between Kurdish forces and Turkey was well into its third day, the bloodiest yet, and ambulances, both real and makeshift, were arriving regularly. As they pulled up, locals and medics gathered around ready to tend to each new body and tell the story of how they had died. “He was a civilian,” one man said as he uncovered a young boy’s face. “Most of them are,” claimed another. “This is a war against the Kurdish people

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The Guardian's coverage of the Turkish invasion is the best that I've found.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-trump-deaths

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[T]he Turkish defense minister posted a disturbing message to his personal Facebook page with a map that indicated Turkey’s real ambitions could be much broader.

The message said: “We have no eyes on anyone’s soil. We will only take what’s ours.”

It includes a map with half of Syria, northern Iraq, as well as parts of Greece and all of Cyprus as part of Turkey.
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Interesting Foreign Policy article from 2016: Turkey’s New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire [Monthly free article limit].

Here are some excerpts with particular resonance for the current time. To save you looking it up, irredentism means "a policy of advocating the restoration to a country of any territory formerly belonging to it."
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In the past few weeks, a conflict between Ankara and Baghdad over Turkey’s role in the liberation of Mosul has precipitated an alarming burst of Turkish irredentism. On two separate occasions, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan criticized the Treaty of Lausanne, which created the borders of modern Turkey, for leaving the country too small. He spoke of the country’s interest in the fate of Turkish minorities living beyond these borders, as well as its historic claims to the Iraqi city of Mosul, near which Turkey has a small military base. And, alongside news of Turkish jets bombing Kurdish forces in Syria and engaging in mock dogfights with Greek planes over the Aegean Sea, Turkey’s pro-government media have shown a newfound interest in a series of imprecise, even crudely drawn, maps of Turkey with new and improved borders.
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These maps purport to show the borders laid out in Turkey’s National Pact, a document Erdogan recently suggested the prime minister of Iraq should read to understand his country’s interest in Mosul. Signed in 1920, after the Ottoman Empire’s defeat in World War I, the National Pact identified those parts of the empire that the government was prepared to fight for. Specifically, it claimed those territories that were still held by the Ottoman army in October 1918 when Constantinople signed an armistice with the allied powers. On Turkey’s southern border, this line ran from north of Aleppo in what is now Syria to Kirkuk in what is now Iraq.
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But Erdogan has also emphasized a new element to Turkey’s communitarian foreign-policy agenda: Sunni sectarianism. In speaking about Mosul, he recently declared that Turkey would not betray its “Turkmen brothers” or its “Sunni Arab brothers.” Like secular Turkish nationalism, this strain of Sunni sectarianism has an undeniable domestic appeal, and Erdogan has shown it can also be invoked selectively in keeping with Turkey’s foreign-policy needs.
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More broadly, Turkey’s current interventionism in Syria and Iraq fits within an established pattern. Not only do countries regularly find themselves sucked into civil wars on their doorstep, but the points at which Turkey has proved susceptible to irredentism in the past have all come at moments of change and uncertainty similar to what the Middle East is experiencing today.
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Redacted - ninja'ed by one minute .

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Yeah, but it's like kids on the playground, sometimes you gotta let them annex half the Middle East and resume the siege of Vienna (rudely interrupted by foreign interventionism the first time around, presumably funded by George Soros)
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BTW, as a European of fighting age (am still, too ! shut up !) I can't hide my enthusiasm about Some Damn Fool Thing happening in the Balkans once more, as it had been far too long since last we'd re-booted this great classic.
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Trump's DC hotel has cancelled the booking for an event held by a non-profit organization. The event was called, "A Night of Prayer for the Kurds."

What. The. Fuck.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...prayer-for-the
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AP: US troops from Syria to leave Iraq in 4 weeks
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Iraq’s defense minister has said after meeting U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper that American forces withdrawing from Syria to Iraq will leave the country within four weeks.
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He says that the American troops crossing from Syria are “transiting” in Iraq and will then head either to Kuwait, Qatar or the United States.

Iraq’s military said Tuesday that American troops leaving northeastern Syria don’t have permission to stay in Iraq in a statement that appeared to contradict Esper, who has said that all U.S. troops leaving Syria would continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group from Iraq to prevent its resurgence in the region.
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Turkey will clear northeast Syria of Kurdish YPG militia if Russia does not fulfil its obligations under an accord that helped end a Turkish offensive in the region, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.
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"If this area is not cleared from terrorists at the end of the 150 hours, then we will handle the situation by ourselves and will do all the cleansing work," Erdogan said in a speech in Istanbul.
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Erodgan, talking about northeast Syria with TRT yesterday, said: "The most suitable for this area are Arabs. These areas are not suitable for the lifestyle of Kurds."

Asked, in what way? "Because these are virtually desert regions."
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It is being suggested--by Putin critic (and chess Grandmaster) Garry Kasparov, among others--that the 'al-Baghdadi operation' may have been Trump's payoff for letting Turkey ethnic-cleanse the Kurds:

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Isn't it obvious that this is what happened here? Surely Putin & Erdogan gave up al-Baghdadi in exchange for Trump abandoning northern Syria and the Kurds. A quid pro quo, I believe it is called.

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Questions have arisen about how the bombings carried out by Russia and Syria apparently left the home of al-Baghdadi mysteriously untouched, so that Trump could "heroically" move in, today:

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Two sources have confirmed to the New York Times that Baghdadi’s location in Idlib was confirmed as far back as early July, so 3.5 months ago. I spent months working on his obituary. Here’s what I can share now: ....
[thread that follows is by New York Times correspondent Rukmini Callimachi:https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/stat...14608056811530

Another odd feature of this story is the "instant DNA analysis" of the remains of the purported al-Baghdadi. Does instant-DNA-analysis exist? If so, why haven't we heard about it, before?


If Trump sold the Kurds for what he hoped would be good publicity (as the heroic killer of the ISIS leader), that is surely something that might be of interest to the International Criminal Court.
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The ICC can be interested in whatever it wants, but it has no jurisdiction over Americans.

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The ICC can be interested in whatever it wants, but it has no jurisdiction over Americans.
It's true that the Trump Administration is vehemently opposed to the idea of an ICC that could try an American for war crimes. (There could be good reason for that position.)

It's also true that the ICC has never been established in the nearly-universal-support sense that the UN has been; the US (along with China and five others; see below) abstained from the vote that created it in 1998:

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...After protracted negotiations, the United Nations General Assembly held a conference in June 1988 to finalize negotiations and adoption of the statute. In the vote held during the conference, 120 states were for the statute, seven were against, and 21 abstained. The individual votes of the delegation were not recorded, so the identity of four of the seven is unknown. Three of the states, People’s Republic of China, the United States, and Iran came out publicly.

The Rome Statute was ratified in New York on April 11, 2002, by ten countries. Officially the statute became effective on July 1, 2002 and could investigate crimes. ...
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So it is the case that as things stand, Trump couldn't be referred for trial. But it's always possible that if world opinion leaned in that direction, pressure could be brought to bear on the United States. We're not the only ones who can impose economic sanctions, after all.


eta: correction for post 481: there's a "today" that should have been "yesterday," about half-way through.

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Iraqi President Barham Salih — long known as a pro-American leader — says he is no longer sure he can rely on the U.S. as an ally and may be ready to "recalibrate" Iraq's relationship with other countries, including Iran and Russia.
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"The staying power of the United States is being questioned in a very, very serious way," Salih said. "And allies of the United States are worried about the dependability of the United States."
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Several times in the interview, Salih used the words "recalibrate" or "rethinking" to describe how Iraq must approach its relationship with the United States — noting at one point that "dependability is important" in allies.
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"I'm worried about ethnic cleansing. And this has been the history, tragic history of the Kurdish people and this [is] dangerous and tragic. The humanitarian cost is just awful."
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"We live in an interconnected world," Salih said. "What happened in Iraq impacted your security and vice versa. Your policies impact the Middle East, too."
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"We have had serious conversations about this with senior American officials. And I've been very clear. I don't mince my words," Salih said. "The military defeat of ISIS is an important victory, but not incomplete [sic] and precarious too as well. It can easily unravel. And this is what I'm worried about."

"Five years of blood, treasure, effort — a lot of human misery went into defeating ISIS," he said. "This victory was [not] easy, and for anyone to become complacent about it is terrible, reckless, dangerous, tragic."
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Another odd feature of this story is the "instant DNA analysis" of the remains of the purported al-Baghdadi. Does instant-DNA-analysis exist?
With modern techniques, 90 minutes. According to NYT.
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Sarah Dadouch, Washington Post:
Soooo do we send in the Blue Helmets now ; or do we wait until they're all gruesomely murdereder then send in the Blue Helmets to dig up the mass graves and explain that there was nothing we could have done ? Where we at on the "watching genocides happen" issue ?
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The ICC can be interested in whatever it wants, but it has no jurisdiction over Americans.
Which is just as well; the US already has the highest proportion of its citizenry behind bars. We can't afford to also put away people guilty of appalling war crimes.

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In terms of the possibility of the al-Baghdadi thing being a QPQ...I have to be consistent with these things -- I don't put any stock in conspiracy theories until there is good supporting evidence.
Furthermore, if Trump actually made the call about sending in troops to that facility, I would give him credit for making that call.

Statements like "Trump is a fcking idiot and a crook, and is an embarrassment as an adult human, let alone as a president", which I happen to believe, are meaningless if we retroflexively try to find fault with everything he does. I want to be as unbiased as possible, where it is still very obvious that overall he's a fcking disgrace.

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Not sure if anyone has linked to it, but this is John Oliver's video on this cluster fuck which, I think, pretty well sums up my own thoughts on this disaster. One thing I really want to have people who bother watching the video look at is the end. Notice something? If not, I'll give my thoughts...he isn't joking for the last few minutes. At all. And that's unusual for him, who can usually joke about and find the blackest humor. He's not joking though at the end there.

The other thing was the sight of Kurdish civilians throwing potatoes and rocks at Americans fucking running away put both a lump in my throat, shame in my heart and fucking fire in my gut. And it should do the same to everyone watching it, regardless of your petty stupid politics. It's a travesty.
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Old 10-28-2019, 07:01 PM
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With modern techniques, 90 minutes. According to NYT.
Interesting (thanks). It certainly raises questions about backlogged domestic crime cases, but of course that's a separate thread.
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Thought I'd link to this video by AlternateHistoryHub that goes into some of the backstory if you don't know much about why the US was there, what we were actually doing and why it's such a monumentally stupid thing that we pulled out, especially how we pulled out.
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Kyle Griffin, MSNBC:
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In a searing internal memo, the top American diplomat on the ground in northern Syria has criticized the Trump admin for not trying harder to prevent Turkey's military offensive — and said Turkish-backed militia fighters committed "war crimes."
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And. . . .

Trump's latest flip-flop has risen up to bite Erdogan, Assad, AND Putin all in one astonishing trifecta.

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As U.S. troops beef up in eastern Syria to protect oil fields, residents hope their mission will bring stability and prosperity to the remote and resource-rich region — and keep the Syrian government out.

Their hopes reflect the expectations being piled onto the operation, even as President Donald Trump flip-flopped on the scope and duration of troops deployment. He initially ordered all troops out of Syria last month, then decided to keep a force in place to hold the oil infrastructure.
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...more-than-oil/

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Revenue from oil fields that U.S. forces are protecting in northeast Syria will go to U.S. partner forces in the region and not the United States, the Pentagon's top spokesman said Thursday.

“The revenue from this is not going to the U.S., this is going to the SDF,” Jonathan Hoffman told reporters at the Pentagon, referring to the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...ish-led-forces
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Richard Engel, NBC News:
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Massive attacks underway against the kurds in northern syria. No ceasefire. Total nonsenses there is. US military officials tell me they are ashamed, “sickened.” It’s cold now outside. What about the families, and kids, out of their homes?

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