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Old 11-08-2019, 09:25 AM
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James Dean to Star in New Movie


Looks like being dead is no obstacle to working if you're famous. The rules really are different for celebrities and the rich.

So, opinions?

Personally, I think some new Three Stooges shorts would be cool. Would Dopers like some new Bogart flicks? I'm not really into Bogie, but some new Spencer Tracy stuff would rule. New Archie and Edith? New Bonanza episodes? Leonard Nimoy could still do Spock!

Yeah, it's creepy, but what's more, I'm conflicted. I think this can really torpedo any hope that Hollywood will solve their lack of originality problems. Remakes are becoming standard fare, and this isn't helping.

But still, I gotta say, I'd look forward to John Wayne facing down Richard Boone as Paladin. Or an Odd Couple movie double feature switcheroo, with Randall/Matthau and Lemmon/Klugman.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:36 AM
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I think we should let the dead stay that way.

And I don't care if their families or estates approve, their families and estates are necessarily self-serving. The dead cannot give consent, period.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:47 AM
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This quote from the director doesn't make sense to me, "We searched high and low for the perfect character to portray the role of Rogan, which has some extreme complex character arcs, and after months of research, we decided on James Dean." Except James Dean wasn't a character, he was an actor. Why not just hire an actor and tell him they're looking for a James Dean-like performance? And even in this case, they're going to hire a real, human actor to voice Dean. So they're hiring an actor to play the character (of James Dean) who will be in the role (of Rogan).

And if then who, if anyone, would be up for awards for the performance, if it's any good?
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:50 AM
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Isn’t this great? All those yelps about ageism seem quaint now that an actor/actress can be deaged.
Now we can avoid estates claiming ““Aliveism” by simply inserting any actor in any film, whether on this mortal coil or not.
Rouge One did so with Peter Cushing. Now this.

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Robert De Niro won his 11th Academy Award for Best Actor for the remake of Taxi Driver, the first since the late 22nd century. De Niro who died in <****> played the character during life in 1976.

The awards were marred by the continuing revelations of the Weinstein scandal, with suggestions that maybe just maybe the plug should be pulled, being decried by campaigners as an injustice to the seemingly infinite number of women harassed by the long comatose former movie Moghul.

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And if then who, if anyone, would be up for awards for the performance, if it's any good?
I would chalk it up to Best Visual Effects.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:56 AM
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"Your directors were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should."

So damned transparent. 5 minutes on YouTube can identify better actors, in every way, than a second-rate actor from nearly a century ago ever dreamed of being. Ernst & Golykh have traveled so far up their own asses on this one that Tarantino will need to hire Emilio Estivez to hunt them down.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:01 AM
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I would chalk it up to Best Visual Effects.
Yes. As a technical achievement, I am fascinated and would look forward to seeing this on the big screen.

The director's explanation is just a nonce cop-out. How many times have unsung actors made a part their own even when they were not who was originally envisioned for the role?
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:08 AM
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Somebody still has to act out the part that "James Dean" will play. Somebody has to voice the lines. Somebody has to perform the actions. It won't be a performance by James Dean. At best it'll be a performance by some hidden performer, who, Andy Serkis-like, provides the motion capture and voice while wearing a digital James Dean suit. At worst, it'll be a collaborative effort by a team of motion actors, voice actors, and a host of technicians working the digital "James Dean" puppet.

This is a publicity stunt, but actors and directors have been warning for years about the time to come when Hollywood could, if it chose, dispense with actors altogether and use Cameron's "synthespieans'.
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The article I linked to above also says, "Adapted by Mari Sova from Gareth Crocker’s novel, Finding Jack is based on the existence and abandonment of more than 10,000 military dogs at the end of the Vietnam War. Dean will play a character called Rogan, considered a secondary lead role."

Sounds like the secondary lead role of a human will be CGI, but the primary lead role of a military dog will be played by a canine Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts graduate.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:26 AM
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Animated cartoons have never been shy about basing characters on long-dead actors.
Hanna-Barbera cast Peter Lorre in the Addams Family cartoons about a decade after he died.

Some fans will consider it a rip-off of their favorite stars. Some fans will consider it an homage to their favorite stars. It will depend on whether it is done well, or done badly.

I would sort of like to see a Lord of the Rings movie, with Gregory Peck as Aragorn, and Peter Lorre as Gollum. Or Dune, with Sidney Greenstreet or Orson Welles as Baron Harkonnen.
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"I really should have some sort of approvals over this"

A lot of people should be deeply ashamed right about now.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:54 AM
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:06 AM
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This is the most outrageous bit of the story. Why would you name a child Zelda?

This story really isnt a big deal. Had the filmmakers rights to Deans body of work then they wouldnt need an actor to fill out the role. The Fred Astaire Dirt Devil commercial was fairly cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44tKpQ5Fo2Y

I cant wait for the 2116 electoral rematch between Holographic Hillary and Doubled Don. And sometime in the future some filmmaker will take Nick Cages body of work and reimagine them with versions of Cage that can seemingly act.
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More serious note, we could see more Connery or Moore James Bond films. De aged Connery, revived Moore.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:18 AM
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More serious note, we could see more Connery or Moore James Bond films. De aged Connery, revived Moore.
I can’t help but note that the next one is called No Time To Die.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:28 AM
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More serious note, we could see more Connery or Moore James Bond films. De aged Connery, revived Moore.
Love the idea but unless the filmmakers can revive the original creative/production team, the movies would suck like the newer Bond films.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:38 AM
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"'We never intended for this to be a marketing gimmick,' he said."

Uh huh.

I suppose this will become more common, but as noted above, it's unnecessary. We just gotta have James Dean. Really?
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:39 AM
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In a somewhat related note, this morning I saw a commercial for Adeedo plumbing. This maybe a SoCal only phenomena but this guy is still in Adeedo commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E10tTozjxmA even though he died five years ago https://www.latimes.com/local/obitua...226-story.html. Rather than creepy I found the commercial comfortable and nostalgic.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:41 AM
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I’m just glad they’ve already finished production on Jojo Rabbit.
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Peter Cushing managed to reprise his role as Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One despite having been dead for 22 years, so it's hardly unprecedented for the dead to rise for a film role.
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So, opinions?
To hell with faces—I want to hear Paul Frees speak again.

Luckily, AI voice synthesis is making exciting, frightening inroads every day.
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This is the most outrageous bit of the story. Why would you name a child Zelda?
He named her after the video game character.
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Love the idea but unless the filmmakers can revive the original creative/production team, the movies would suck like the newer Bond films.
Netflix has to greenlight it. They have done everything else.
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Somebody still has to act out the part that "James Dean" will play. Somebody has to voice the lines. Somebody has to perform the actions. It won't be a performance by James Dean. At best it'll be a performance by some hidden performer, who, Andy Serkis-like, provides the motion capture and voice while wearing a digital James Dean suit. At worst, it'll be a collaborative effort by a team of motion actors, voice actors, and a host of technicians working the digital "James Dean" puppet.



This is a publicity stunt, but actors and directors have been warning for years about the time to come when Hollywood could, if it chose, dispense with actors altogether and use Cameron's "synthespieans'.
James Franco once played James Dean in a movie.
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Ever since I read Remake I've wanted the ability to swap out any actors I want in a movie. The technology is getting there.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:10 AM
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...And even in this case, they're going to hire a real, human actor to voice Dean...
Maybe not, at least in the way you think. See the link in post #22.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:48 AM
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The Hollywood Reporter article I linked to says that a human voice actor will be used.

Obviously this is a publicity stunt. I know that I'd never have heard of the film, especially not this early, without it.
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