View Poll Results: Did you listen to Alice's Restaurant today?
Yes- In 4-part harmony and full orchestration 141 43.12%
No- Sit on the Group W Bench. NOW, KID! 135 41.28%
Never heard it before- I WANNA KILL! 51 15.60%
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:17 PM
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:07 PM
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As I noted above, last year, I can quote damn near the entire thing. In harmony.

A few years ago another Boomer and I got goin', and what I didn't remember he did. We got through the entire thing without missing a word.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:07 PM
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I spend Thanksgiving with my parents, who are old-school Europeans. They don't like very much music that's been written since about 1940.

So the answer to the question is a definite no.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:26 PM
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I spend Thanksgiving with my parents, who are old-school Europeans. They don't like very much music that's been written since about 1940.

So the answer to the question is a definite no.
All they have to do to join is to sing it when it comes around on the guitar.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:11 AM
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I tried to start it as tradition today (before seeing this thread).

Kids (9 & 7) liked it, and Mrs. Mixo was swayed. I blindly picked the 90s version that came up first on YT, not the 60s version I always heard on the radio. Next year...
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:07 PM
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I asked a friend today (the day after Thanksgiving) if she did "Alice's Restaurant" with the family yesterday. She said, "No, I cooked at home."
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:34 PM
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1) He was not drafted. They pointedly told him in the song "We don't like your kind" and sat him on the Group W bench where all the criminals were.

2) The joke is that his arrest for littering, a particularly minor offense, kept him from being drafted because it was seen as a morals violation, during a war where the burning of villages and killing of civilians was commonplace. The story leading up to his reporting for the draft, when contrasted with what the Army was doing in Vietnam, was intended to be incredibly ironic.

I'm OK with the fact that you didn't like it. I enjoy it, but I have my own tastes and would not impose them upon anybody else. But if you did in fact listen to it the whole way through I cannot fathom how you didn't discern these facts for yourself.
You seem to assume a familiarity with the subject matter than I just don't have. I didn't know what Group W meant. And I don't find irony funny in and of itself, so it never dawned on me that that was the point.

If they clarified either of these points, I didn't catch it--probably because I unknowingly tuned out for part of the song. Having made that bad a review of it, I'm not entirely inclined to listen to it again.

With your explanation, I at least get why some of you would like the song so much. But the draft is so removed from me and my generation that it just doesn't have the significance or dark humor for me that it has for you.

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Old 11-23-2012, 06:23 PM
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With your explanation, I at least get why some of you would like the song so much. But the draft is so removed from me and my generation that it just doesn't have the significance or dark humor for me that it has for you.
Let's hope that when the US feels the itch to enter another war (and history teaches us that it will), you will revisit Alice's Restaurant. I'm sure you would feel differently if your life and those of your friends and children were on the line for no good reason except another generation's asshole politics.

We can laugh about it now, but it was no laughing matter in the 1960's.

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Old 11-23-2012, 07:39 PM
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Saw The Last Waltz Revisited at the Ogden in Denver. When it started with Alice, the jolly drunk crowd's chatter got louder to compensate. So I kind of heard it.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:40 PM
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I first heard Alice's Restaurant as a 12 year old hanging out with an Army wife in Germany. She put it on the record player, probably in an attempt to keep me amused and occupied. I fell in love with the song immediately. When it got the the part, where Arlo says "and if two people do it.." she raced for the turntable and ripped up the tone arm.

It was years before I heard the rest of that song, but I have never lost my love for it.

Years and years later, I was working for an attorney as a legal secretary. He brought in several huge blowups of aerial photographs to use as an exhibit in a case. I nearly died of delight and amusement.

When I was working as a substitute teacher, a young man was telling me how he had forgotten he had a juvenile court appearance the next day, and had stayed up way too late the night before drinking and playing video games. To amuse myself, I asked him if he felt like "the All American boy from New York City". He blinked twice and said "That's from Alice's Restaurant, right?" I felt a glimmer of hope in the next generation in that moment.
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I didn't this year, but I have many times in the past. The local iconic rock station, WBLM, the Rock and Roll Blimp, plays it every Thanksgiving, off the original vinyl they had when they played it for the first time in the trailer in Litchfield, Maine back in 1973.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:12 PM
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Why in the world would that be a T-Day tradition???
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:21 PM
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Have you ever listened to the song? It begins, "Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog." Part of the song is set at Thanksgiving.

And if you'd rather read the lyrics instead of listening to the song, go here.

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Old 11-23-2012, 10:35 PM
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I hope I'm allowed to say "yes" even though it was yesterday. I didn't set out to listen to it, but a radio station I had on happened to be playing it.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:36 AM
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All they have to do to join is to sing it when it comes around on the guitar.
Actually, the fact of the matter is that I don't think I've ever heard the song, on Thanksgiving or any other day.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:05 AM
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Here:

http://grooveshark.com/#!/search?q=alice%27s+restaurant

(I don't think I'm breaking the rules doing this--but if I am, maybe it'll get me off the list when the draft comes back!)
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:18 PM
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Thanksgiving is this Thursday (here in the US) and it's time for this thread again!
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:51 PM
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So we'll just wait for it to come around again on the guitar...

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Old 11-23-2013, 07:57 PM
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Let's hope we get 50 posts this year.
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Old 11-23-2013, 08:02 PM
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I daresay, the only reason I know this song is from the Dope. I consider myself fairly well-exposed to music, but this song has always been a big black hole for me.
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Old 11-23-2013, 08:57 PM
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To my knowledge, I've never heard it before.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:07 PM
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To my knowledge, I've never heard it before.
There, there, my son. The 60's will rise again. Unfortunately. We're just waiting for 'em to come around, again, on the guitar...

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There, there, my son. The 60's will rise again. Unfortunately. We're just waiting for 'em to come around, again, on the guitar...
What's funny is I heard a ton of 50's and 60's music because of my parents, but I don't remember that one ever coming up.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:12 PM
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I've got the album(yes album) might have to get it out agive it aspin.
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Arlo did do a revised 30 years later version. He explains the notorious gap in that Nixon White House tape in it.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:34 PM
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What's funny is I heard a ton of 50's and 60's music because of my parents, but I don't remember that one ever coming up.
They were probably stoned and missed it.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:52 PM
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That was the first song I taught myself how to finger pick. I had the book with the TAB, a capo, a tortoise thumb pick, 2 national metal fingerpicks, and an Aria 12-string guitar. Frankly, it wasn't the easiest 12-string to learn that song on because it had a narrow fretboard as 12-strings go. But since it was my only guitar at the time, I didn't know any better. So I went ahead and learned it.

Alice's Restaurant got overlooked by a lot of folks in it's time, because it was in the Folk music racks and didn't get much airplay. More people were listening to Cream and The Jimi Hendix Experience. CS&N hadn't formed yet when AR came out.
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:55 PM
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It's made easy in these parts as our local "grey hair, ponytail" network (KFOG) will play it twice on Thursday, so you don't have to search for it on youtube.
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Let's hope we get 50 posts this year.
Or... Could you imagine 50 people a day walking in to this thread and posting about Alice's Restaurant?
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Or... Could you imagine 50 people a day walking in to this thread and posting about Alice's Restaurant?
It's a movement.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:52 AM
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I just introduced it to my husband. He thought it was eh, but I enjoyed hearing it again.
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I was going to post a bar, but I'm still waiting for it to come around on the guitar ....
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It's a movement.
And that's what it is.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:37 PM
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Arlo did do a revised 30 years later version. He explains the notorious gap in that Nixon White House tape in it.
That was from a live recording. I've seen him perform the song live a few times over the years and quite a few times he included the gap story in the song. He probably first did that in the late 70s though, not 30 years later.
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Old 11-24-2013, 06:33 PM
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The only Alice's restaurant I ever heard of was Mel's Diner. Kiss mah grits.
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Just printed off the Tab so I can play it on guitar. I have it on CD and MP3 and I'll have to make sure to have it available for the drive to visit family. I'll go take my seat on the group W bench now.

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Old 11-25-2013, 04:39 PM
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I was going to post a bar, but I'm still waiting for it to come around on the guitar ....
I always try to anticipate when the come-around comes around, and fail every time. Year after year, listen after listen. I'm wondering if Arlo deliberately made it slightly off just to fool with people. Or I have no musical instinct.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:19 PM
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Y'know, Arlo would need to do an edit to get up to date on the latest recruiting criteria if he did a current version (the line: "if two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them")

OTOH I can only smile at his foreshadowing of the obsession with forensic evidence technology.

It's more of a personal thing for me, got used to it while living stateside (oddly, saw the movie before ever listening to the whole track), heard him doing it live once (including the White House story).
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I don't think I've ever heard the entire song. I had no idea it was related to Thanksgiving.
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I remember hearing the song a lot on my dad's eight-track player (yes, I'm that old) when I was a kid, but despite the Thanksgiving story embedded in the song, it was never a part of our holiday celebrations.
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I remember hearing the song a lot on my dad's eight-track player (yes, I'm that old) when I was a kid, but despite the Thanksgiving story embedded in the song, it was never a part of our holiday celebrations.
Kid...We don't like your kind.
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I don't think I've ever heard the entire song. I had no idea it was related to Thanksgiving.
Sentence #1 explains sentence #2.
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Sentence #1 explains sentence #2.
The only thing I remember about the song is the line, "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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The only thing I remember about the song is the line, "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
(Excepting Alice.)
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My parents played a lot of Arlo Guthrie when I was growing up, including Alice's Restaurant. Despite that, we never associated it with Thanksgiving. The association for us was with getting into trouble and landing on the Group W bench.
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Ya gotta sing loud if you wanna end war and stuff.
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I've heard the song, I've seen the videos. Is it worth trying to find a copy of the movie?
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I've heard the song, I've seen the videos. Is it worth trying to find a copy of the movie?
I had one before my ex-wife tore the labels off a lot of VHS tapes.
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This thread prompted me to do a bit of research about the song and Arlo Guthrie. (OK, I went to Wikipedia ) I was surprised to learn that Guthrie is now a registered Republican and a Ron Paul supporter.
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I've heard the song, I've seen the videos. Is it worth trying to find a copy of the movie?
Maybe, it is not a great movie but I think it is fairly fun to watch and a great time piece. The music is good at least.
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This thread prompted me to do a bit of research about the song and Arlo Guthrie. (OK, I went to Wikipedia ) I was surprised to learn that Guthrie is now a registered Republican and a Ron Paul supporter.
He is a Libertarian but still a Green. He still does stuff for Hudson River Clearwater, (Pete Seegar's Environmental group) and I had the strong impression he likes Ron Paul especially for his anti-war stance. I can't find the full endorsement he gave though in 2008. Just a few quotes from it.
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