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Does "bicycle" in this context refer to the two-wheeled vehicle one can sit astride, propel via pedals, and so convey oneself from one location to another?

I figure I ought to confirm that, because this is getting kind of confusing.
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Yes.
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Are these parts from a full-sized real bicycle that a person would ride?
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No to question #1.
There would seem to be a contradiction here. Or maybe not because you are quite devious. Is there any change you would make to those answers?
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Bicycle pretty much means one thing. The definition Chronos gives is that one thing. That's the context of the yes answer.

I struggled a bit before answering Riemann's question. I finally decided that "no" was the less deceptive answer. I appeal to a certain French surrealist.
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No to question #1.

The second question is also difficult to answer. The parts are being used exactly as they were are intended to be used.
So are these "bicycle parts" parts of images of a bicycle?
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So are these "bicycle parts" parts of images of a bicycle?
Uh oh...

Yes.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:36 PM
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...something along the lines of:

You have family photos that you're putting in an album, in some of which part of a bicycle is visible.
The key misdirection being the alternate meaning of "bicycle parts".
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Close. What is a common reason for having multiple parts on a table?
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:38 PM
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Oh, a jigsaw.
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You got it!
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:49 PM
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It's a nice riddle. I can see that it creates quite a difficulty in answering questions, though. When I rephrased Chronos's question it was because I did not think that his phrasing had quite eliminated models or representations of the thing, although I obviously hadn't quite got all the way to "image" at that point. I follow bike (road) racing, and I couldn't get out of my head some silly lego-style dioramas that a guy used to make to represent key events in bike races (although that was way too obscure to be the answer). I'll see if I can track down some of the images.

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Whew. I can't believe someone got it. I was going to ask for a hint.
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My art history weakness is showing. Magritte was Belgian.
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Here's one I came up with a few years back...

It concerns the famed seventeenth century writers Miguel Cervantes and William Shakespeare, who both died in 1616 on April 22nd and 23rd respectively.

After witnessing Cervantes' last breath in Madrid, a man hopped on a horse and rode 200 miles to the nearest port. There, he hopped on a ship which, due to poor winds, took three days to reach London. Once there, he took an overnight carriage to Stratford-upon-Avon where he walked up to a house, went into a bedroom and said "Cervantes is dead".

William Shakespeare (the author himself) looked at him and said "That sucks".

How is this possible?
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Spain was using a different calendar which had April 22 happening several days before April 23 happened in England?
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The adjustment from Julian to Gregorian calendar happened around this time, and in a pretty haphazard way. From reading The Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson I know that calendars were still out of whack in different countries in the late 17th century.
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Yup, looks like Spain was among the early adopters, removing 10 days in 1582. U.K. did not adjust until 1752. And Turkey in 1927!

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...an-switch.html
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Spain was using a different calendar which had April 22 happening several days before April 23 happened in England?
Got it in one!
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Ok, I've got another one.

Part of a police manual gives instructions in a language that none of the police officers speak. Why?
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Ok, I've got another one.

Part of a police manual gives instructions in a language that none of the police officers speak. Why?
It is written in classical Chinese.

To be pedantic:
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Chinese per se is written but never spoken. The spoken languages are Cantonese and Manderin


OR

It is in sign language although that may be difficult to put in a manual.

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Ok, I've got another one.

Part of a police manual gives instructions in a language that none of the police officers speak. Why?
I know the words used to train police dogs are usually in a foreign language so the suspect can't confuse the dog by giving a different command (unless he happens to speak Hungarian or something). Is that it?
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I know the words used to train police dogs are usually in a foreign language so the suspect can't confuse the dog by giving a different command (unless he happens to speak Hungarian or something). Is that it?
That was quick! Yeah, the story goes, police dogs are often trained in a language not commonly spoken where they are deployed so as to reduce the chance the criminal can mess with the dog.
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That was quick! Yeah, the story goes, police dogs are often trained in a language not commonly spoken where they are deployed so as to reduce the chance the criminal can mess with the dog.
That's more than a riddle - it's a really interesting thing to learn. I confess to a little skepticism though. I would think dogs are sensitive as much to the identity of their owner as to the words being spoken?
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Part of a police manual gives instructions in a language that none of the police officers speak. Why?
Already answered, but even without the dogs, it makes perfect sense that a manual would contain some such instructions. The police doubtless have not-infrequent occasion to give instructions to suspects who do not share a common language with any of the officers on the scene, and so it would be quite reasonable for them to have a phrasebook with some of the more common such instructions. The need for such a phrasebook would be all the greater for a language spoken by none of the officers.

On the matter of commands given to police dogs, they need not even be in a language at all. Horses are traditionally given the commands "gee" and "haw", instead of "right" and "left", so as to not confuse the horse with unrelated conversation.
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That's more than a riddle - it's a really interesting thing to learn. I confess to a little skepticism though. I would think dogs are sensitive as much to the identity of their owner as to the words being spoken?
I don't know and I wonder if it depends on the sort of training the dog goes through. I imagine police dogs are trained very firmly to respond only to select people.
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....Horses are traditionally given the commands "gee" and "haw", instead of "right" and "left", so as to not confuse the horse with unrelated conversation.
But it seems to me that the phonemes "gee" and "haw" are probably just as common in conversation a "left" and "right"?
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You had too much fun with this.
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I'll add one, this one also googleable. Please don't spoil for those who are trying to solve!


The music stopped and then she died. Why?


I believe some heard this with alternate solutions, but I have a specific one in mind, the original I heard in the late 80's.
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The music stopped and then she died. Why?
Is "she" human?
Is it significant that she is female?
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Is the "she" a (formerly) living human person?
Does "died" refer to a cessation of biological processes?
Was the stopping of the music the cause of her death?
Did the stopping of the music share a common cause with her death?


This one sounds really familiar, but I can't remember the solution.
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She was an opera singer.
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1. Is "she" human?
2. Is it significant that she is female?
1. Yes.
2. No.

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1. Is the "she" a (formerly) living human person?
2. Does "died" refer to a cessation of biological processes?
3. Was the stopping of the music the cause of her death?
4. Did the stopping of the music share a common cause with her death?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. No.

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Because the radio fell in the bathtub she was in.
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Because the radio fell in the bathtub she was in.
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Is she a specific historical figure, i.e. are we talking about a well known historical event?
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Is she a specific historical figure, i.e. are we talking about a well known historical event?
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Does the music stopping/death have anything to do with loss of electric power?
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Russian roulette musical chairs?
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Just a note that i love these. I do specifically recall the answer to this one. So i won't answer.
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Does the music stopping/death have anything to do with loss of electric power?
Unsure, but possibly.

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Russian roulette musical chairs?
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Just a note that i love these. I do specifically recall the answer to this one. So i won't answer.
I do love these as well and it is fun to answer ones and give ones with a fresh group.
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So, to be clear, the music stopping is the direct cause of her death, right?
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So, to be clear, the music stopping is the direct cause of her death, right?
Yes.
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Pbbthbbhtth!. A photograph is not a part of a bicycle.

And if you say otherwise, I'm prepared to give you $1000 right now. No catches. You won't have to give it back. I ask nothing in return.
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Because the radio fell in the bathtub she was in.
No.
OK an iPhone then?
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She was playing musical chairs and in running to a chair when the music stopped, she had a heart attack.
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The end of the music was the signal for her execution?
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OK an iPhone then?
Nothing fell in a tub and she was not electrocuted. In fact, there is no tub or water involved in this incident.

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She was playing musical chairs and in running to a chair when the music stopped, she had a heart attack.
No. And she was not playing any kind of game.

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The end of the music was the signal for her execution?
No and she was not executed.

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I won't give a hint yet, but a suggestion.

I would not simply attempt to guess the final answer. I would work to put together the situation bit by bit, working towards the answer. Ask about the situation and the rest will click.

I will now ask my own question.

In the above statement, were there any secret hints or puns that hint at the answer?

No.
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Pbbthbbhtth!. A photograph is not a part of a bicycle.

And if you say otherwise, I'm prepared to give you $1000 right now. No catches. You won't have to give it back. I ask nothing in return.
Neither are bicycle cards bicycles. But I can tell you when working a puzzle, my wife and I use that jargon all the time.

"I've got part of the bicycle here."

"That looks like part of the center building."

Etc. Etc.
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I won't give a hint yet, but a suggestion.

I would not simply attempt to guess the final answer. I would work to put together the situation bit by bit, working towards the answer. Ask about the situation and the rest will click.

I will now ask my own question.

In the above statement, were there any secret hints or puns that hint at the answer?

No.
Did she know she was going to die when the music stopped?
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Did she know she was going to die when the music stopped?
No.

And good question.
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