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-- the cue system is not fail-safe!
Wouldn't be as interesting to watch if it was.

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Was she a magician?
Was she a circus performer?
No and Yes.

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And I don't think we've asked yet -

Did she die by falling from height?
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Was this the woman's job?

Not the dying part but the blindfold and performing a certain action?
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I'm thinking that there are blindfold trapeze acts, and perhaps the person with the blindfold is cued to release from the trapeze and fly toward the catcher by the music stopping. The music stops accidentally, with nobody there to catch her. Seems a bit obscure though. But does tie in with her being female, since the lighter performer would be the catchee.
Tightrope walker.

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Is she something like a tightrope walker or trapeze artist and the music cue normally tells her when to start walking on the tightrope or grab the trapeze and the blindfold prevented her from seeing that the other elements were not in place for her act?

eta: dangit, Riemann.
Yes.


She was a tightrope walker who did it blindfolded. They started the music, she went. When the music stopped, she stepped off to the final platform. The music malfunctioned, she stepped off and fell to her death.

I would love to keep going with these, as they are fun, but I have a request.

If you know, please do not give hints unless the person who gave the puzzle said so.


I have plenty of others, but would someone else kindly give one?

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I have plenty of others, but would someone else kindly give one?
You probably know this one, but it's good practice:

A bell rings, a man dies.
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Is the man a wrestler?

Had the bell not rung, would the man have died?
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Is the man a wrestler?
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(well he would die eventually just like everyone else, but that's irrelevant)
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Did the bell ring as a consequence of something the man did?
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Did the bell ring as a consequence of something the man did?
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She was a tightrope walker who did it blindfolded. They started the music, she went. When the music stopped, she stepped off to the final platform. The music malfunctioned, she stepped off and fell to her death.
I guess we got there, but my reaction is "meh" - it's contrived and implausible.

A blindfolded tightrope walker would be feeling her way with her leading foot all the way across before putting weight on it. She would not suddenly take a big step into the unknown on some external cue. She would continue to test ahead with her leading foot to feel the presence of the end platform before putting her weight onto it.

And I don't really think my trapeze idea works any better, because the blindfolded performer would similarly not rely upon any external cue to release, she would only start swinging after the (unblinded) catcher is already in place and ready.

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Is the bell a signal to the man (who died)?

Was the man murdered?

If so, was the bell a signal for the murderer?

Is the bell meant to signal people nearby (like a doorbell or a telephone) or is it widely broadcast (like a church bell)?

Is the bell a sgnal or a musical instrument?
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Please replaced "murder" in the above questions with "killed by another person"- we'll figure out if it's murder after the jury is empaneled.
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Did Pavlov's dog eat him?
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:21 PM
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I haven't heard it.

Is the man an actual living human being?

Is the bell a traditional bell like a church bell, with a clapper and so forth?
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:38 PM
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Is the bell a signal to the man (who died)?
He thinks it is.

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Was the man murdered?
No.

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Is the bell meant to signal people nearby (like a doorbell or a telephone) or is it widely broadcast (like a church bell)?
More like the latter.

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Is the bell a sgnal or a musical instrument?
Signal
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Did Pavlov's dog eat him?
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I haven't heard it.

Is the man an actual living human being?
Before he dies he is. A fictional living human being anyway, I don't know this happened to any actual person.

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Is the bell a traditional bell like a church bell, with a clapper and so forth?
You can assume so.

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Was it suicide?
No. It's an unintended death.
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I guess we got there, but my reaction is "meh" - it's contrived and implausible.
I don't think of these as riddles. They're more like 20 Questions because there are many possible answers based on the initial information and you have to ask questions to determine the specific answer needed.

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I don't think of these as riddles. They're more like 20 Questions because there are many possible answers based on the initial information and you have to ask questions to determine the specific answer needed.
Yeah, but although I'm more than happy with misdirection (I liked the "bicycle parts" one), I think the chosen answer has to be credible. The circus had actually crossed my mind earlier, and I dismissed it because I really couldn't see how anyone would be cued in a life-or-death situation by music stopping. And, quite honestly, I still can't!
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Did the man die from disease of some sort?
Did the man die from physical trauma?
Did the man die from the action of a toxin or poison?
Did the man die from lack of some external resource essential to life?
Did the man's mental state contribute to his death?
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Did the man die from disease of some sort?
Did the man die from physical trauma?
Did the man die from the action of a toxin or poison?
Did the man die from lack of some external resource essential to life?
Did the man's mental state contribute to his death?
No
Yes
No
No
No. Well, he was mentally healthy. He was thinking something that led to this situation though.
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After Quasimodo's death, the bishop of the cathedral of
Notre Dame sent word through the streets of Paris that
a new bellringer was needed. The bishop decided that he
would conduct the interviews personally and went up into
the belfry to begin the screening process. After
observing several applicants demonstrate their skills,
he decided to call it a day when a lone, armless man
approached him and announced that he was there to apply
for the bellringer's job. The bishop was incredulous.
"You have no arms!"
"No matter," said the man, "Observe!"

He then began striking the bells with his face, producing
a beautiful melody on the carillon. The bishop listened
in astonishment, convinced that he had finally found a
suitable replacement for Quasimodo. Suddenly, rushing
forward to strike a bell, the armless man tripped, and
plunged headlong out of the belfry window to his death
in the street below. The stunned bishop rushed to his side.
When he reached the street, a crowd had gathered around
the fallen figure, drawn by the beautiful music they had
heard only moments before. As they silently parted to
let the bishop through, one of them asked,
"Bishop, who was this man?"

"I don't know his name," the bishop replied, sadly,
"but his face rings a bell."

The following day, despite the sadness that weighed heavily
on his heart due to the unfortunate death of the armless
campanologist, the bishop continued his interviews for
the bellringer of Notre Dame. The first man to approach
him said,
"Your excellency, I am the brother of the poor, armless
wretch that fell to his death from this very belfry yesterday.
I pray that you honor his life by allowing me to replace him in
this duty."

The bishop agreed to give the man an audition, and as the
armless man's brother stooped to pick up a mallet to strike
the first bell, he groaned, clutched at his chest and died
on the spot. Two monks, hearing the bishop's cries of grief
at this second tragedy, rushed up the stairs to his side.
"What has happened?" the first breathlessly asked, "Who is this man?"

"I don't know his name," sighed the distraught bishop,
"But he's a dead ringer for his brother."
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Yeah, but although I'm more than happy with misdirection (I liked the "bicycle parts" one), I think the chosen answer has to be credible. The circus had actually crossed my mind earlier, and I dismissed it because I really couldn't see how anyone would be cued in a life-or-death situation by music stopping. And, quite honestly, I still can't!
It is highly implausible, music stopping is a very poor cue.
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Is the man at home?
If not, is he inside or outside?
Is he alone?

You have said that he thinks the bell is a signal to him, but it is not.
Is this ringing of the bell intended to signal somebody else?
Or is this bell is not a signal at all, but accidentally sounds like the signal he is expecting?

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1. Did the man fall to his death?

2. Did the man get hanged by any means?

3. Did the man get beaten to death?

4. Did the man suffocate or asphyxiate?

5. Did the man get crushed?
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He thinks the bell is a signal.

Would the signal be a cue for him to move somewhere that he thinks is safe (but in fact is not)?
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Run over by a train?
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Is the man at home?
If not, is he inside or outside?
Is he alone?

You have said that he thinks the bell is a signal to him, but it is not.
Is this ringing of the bell intended to signal somebody else?
Or is this bell is not a signal at all, but accidentally sounds like the signal he is expecting?
Not at home, outside. Not alone.
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1. Did the man fall to his death?
I've heard this a couple of different ways. Let's go with this one, he falls to his death. Funny how that's so much like yours.
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He thinks the bell is a signal.

Would the signal be a cue for him to move somewhere that he thinks is safe (but in fact is not)?
Yes.
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Run over by a train?
No. But maybe there's a version like that.

Riemann is very close. Leaving aside the specifics of his demise, why would a man believe the sound of a bell is a cue to move?
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Riemann is very close. Leaving aside the specifics of his demise, why would a man believe the sound of a bell is a cue to move?
Uh, is he (also like mine) blind or blindfolded?

Did he misunderstand the bell that rang with another bell, one that was not intended for him?
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Uh, is he (also like mine) blind or blindfolded?
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Did he misunderstand the bell that rang with another bell, one that was not intended for him?
Yes.

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Did he misunderstand the bell that rang with another bell, one that was not intended for him?
He should have asked for whom it tolled.
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she was blonde.

The music she was listening to? A recording of someone singing "breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out."

lmao!
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There's quite a difference between blind and blindfolded.

Is he blind?
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There's quite a difference between blind and blindfolded.

Is he blind?
Yes.
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Leaving aside the specifics of his demise, why would a man believe the sound of a bell is a cue to move?
All men are dogs.
All dogs are Pavlovian when it comes to bells and dinner.
A bell rang, ergo . . .
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I'm wondering if guide dogs have bells?
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ETA: but that doesn't work, because he'd surely wait for the dog to pull him, not just the sound.
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An elevator arriving chimes a bell. But I'm not sure how you get from that to falling to his death.
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ETA, and he's outside, so elevator doesn't work.
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It's at this point I find these things tedious. You already know it's a blind guy who hears a bell that tells him it's safe to move but it's not the bell he thought it was. After this it's just nit-picking details and I've heard the same thing more than one way and you could make up more variations like one with a train.

Solution follows:

SPOILER:
It's a blind man walking near the shore following a friend who rings a bell. He hears the sound of a bell buoy and walks towards it over a cliff. That's the way I first heard it.

Okay, same problem with music stopping, why would his friend take him near the cliff in the first place? So there's another version where they are supposed to be swimming in the ocean instead. The blind man hears the buoy and starts swimming toward it. Then he hears his friends bell and swims towards that. Then back and forth until eventually he's moved to far toward the buoy and doesn't have enough strength to swim back to shore.

Or maybe he steps in front of a bicycle that has a bell. Or a train. Once you get the basic premise that it's a blind guy following a bell it's all pretty much the same.

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Erm... if you're going to put spoiler boxes, might be useful to say what's under them, otherwise the only way to find out is, you know, to look!

Is the answer as implausible as the tightrope walker? If so, I'm going to give up. If not, I'd rather think some more to try to get it.
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Erm... if you're going to put spoiler boxes, might be useful to say what's under them, otherwise the only way to find out is, you know, to look!

Is the answer as implausible as the tightrope walker? If so, I'm going to give up. If not, I'd rather think some more to try to get it.
Not as implausible I guess. I don't know what would be satisfactory for you but I don't find it interesting past this point.
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Not as implausible I guess. I don't know what would be satisfactory for you but I don't find it interesting past this point.
Well, I guess I'm confused by you saying there are multiple possible answers, because I find it hard to believe that there are a lot of plausible situations where blind people might go charging around in response to bells! But perhaps there really is an obvious situation that we haven't yet thought of that makes sense, where it will click and we will go "of course!"?
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Well, I guess I'm confused by you saying there are multiple possible answers, because I find it hard to believe that there are a lot of plausible situations where blind people might go charging around in response to bells! But perhaps there really is an obvious situation that we haven't yet thought of that makes sense, where it will click and we will go "of course!"?
I don't know about charging around, but it's plausible a blind man is responding to the sound of a bell. From that point it's hard to say where in the range between possible and plausible these things are. I don't find the tightrope walker plausible because she doesn't need to be cued by the music, the musician can just stop playing when it's time for her to step off. In this case there's the positive action of a bell ringing which makes sense as a cue for a blind man to move.
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Here's an original:

I live about five miles (as the crow flies) from Wintergreen, Virginia. The town is little more than a resort. It's a place for skiing in the winter and hiking in the summer. It's got golf, vacation rentals, and lots of pretty views. It also has something in common with just a very few other towns/cities in the United States. This common factor is shared by Johnstown, Pennsylvania, as well as Omaha, Nebraska and Spokane, Washington. There are a few others as well.

One city that does not share the common factor is Miami, Florida. But here's the thing: If Wintergreen, Virginia didn't have the common factor, then Miami, Florida would!

What is the common factor?
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The best I can come up with, without asking questions:
a supercentenarian (110-year-old) resident.

I thought maybe you knew the one who lives in Wintergreen; and if they moved -- well, old people always move to Florida, right? Or maybe their great-grandchildren live in Miami.

But it doesn't seem to be true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
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Ok, some questions:

Does it relate to geographic position in some way?

Does it relate to a natural physical feature?
Does it relate to a man-made physical feature?

Does it relate to the characteristics of the overall population in some way?
Does it relate to particular individuals who live there?

Does it relate to businesses or organizations located there?
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Ok, some questions:

Does it relate to geographic position in some way?

Does it relate to a natural physical feature?
Does it relate to a man-made physical feature?

Does it relate to the characteristics of the overall population in some way?
Does it relate to particular individuals who live there?

Does it relate to businesses or organizations located there?
All no.
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