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Yes, everyone knows B-52s were only used in the Pacific theatre

I thought that they roamed around the world?
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Old 07-01-2019, 02:46 PM
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IIRC, the 1978 Midway opened with footage from 1944's Thirty Seconds over Tokyo, depicting B-25s on the Doolittle raid.
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If seeing crap like planes change form in midair makes me "anal," then I'm anal. It ain't "artistic license," it's the producers saying "We don't give a shit," and it's jarring to the point where I lose my suspension of disbelief.
Completely agree. The mis-use of stock footage completely ruined Midway.

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Old 07-01-2019, 11:36 PM
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Besides all which....the CGI looks horrible.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:51 PM
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I thought it was a drama about Midway Airport in Chicago.
I was hoping for a rollicking tale of how pinball manufacturers adapted to the burgeoning video game market.
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Sneak Peek! Woot


I got to see a sneak peak of the new Midway film this weekend, in San Diego.

TLDR: I would like to give it a thumb's up.

TSNMD (Too short, need more detail):

Movie has two main protagonists, Dick Best (SBD pilot), and Edwin Layton (Signals Intelligence). No focus at all on any of the fighter jocks. Rochefort, Doolittle get honorable mentions.

No love story to clutter up what is a fairly straight forward war flick.

I think it did a fair job portraying the inherently dangerous job of flying (with no electronic aids) from a carrier. (Several operational accidents are shown.)

The CGI was good, for the most part. My nitpicks: Flak as depicted was way too thick, with crowded aerial action scenes. Ship formations waaaay too tight as shown. Pearl Harbor attack sequence is not too long, but the attacking aircraft are shown dropping their torps from a narrow angle, when they actually dropped from the broadside. (My guess was so that the audience gets to see more of Battleship Row that way.)

I would like to mention an appreciation for the (apparent to me) effort the CGI team made to make the aircraft and ships appear like their historical counterparts.

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Old 11-04-2019, 01:32 PM
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I got to see a sneak peak of the new Midway film this weekend, in San Diego.

TLDR: I would like to give it a thumb's up.

TSNMD (Too short, need more detail):

Movie has two main protagonists, Dick Best (SBD pilot), and Edwin Layton (Signals Intelligence). No focus at all on any of the fighter jocks. Rochefort, Doolittle get honorable mentions.

No love story to clutter up what is a fairly straight forward war flick.

I think it did a fair job portraying the inherently dangerous job of flying (with no electronic aids) from a carrier. (Several operational accidents are shown.)

The CGI was good, for the most part. My nitpicks: Flak as depicted was way too thick, with crowded aerial action scenes. Ship formations waaaay too tight as shown. Pearl Harbor attack sequence is not too long, but the attacking aircraft are shown dropping their torps from a narrow angle, when they actually dropped from the broadside. (My guess was so that the audience gets to see more of Battleship Row that way.)

I would like to mention an appreciation for the (apparent to me) effort the CGI team made to make the aircraft and ships appear like their historical counterparts.
To Be Fair (TBF, hehe), Dick Best did have an outsize effect on the attack, and if we get a bomber perspective instead of the fighters, that's fine with me.

No love stories? Great!

But the CGI already seen on trailers is typical crap CGI with flat structures exploding into smaller flat structures. It doesn't look right at all.

Ehh. I'll watch it when it reaches my house, I guess, based on your review.

(2nd plug for Shattered Sword, the new-ish book drawn from translated Japanese records and reports by PArshall and Tully.)
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(2nd plug for Shattered Sword, the new-ish book drawn from translated Japanese records and reports by PArshall and Tully.)
I read that book. Good stuff.

Whoever wrote the screenplay was NOT a fan of Nagumo.
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While I was excited to see this, I didn't really think it would be any good.

Now with four days until it opens and it hasn't been released for reviews.

Not. A. Good. Sign.

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It occurs to me that Charlton Heston endangering his career to facilitate his son's interracial relationship with a Japanese woman is pretty


Progressive? Virtue signally? Hamfisted ? "What the hell does this have to do with Midwayey"?....basically the kind of thing that would spawn a lot of YT videos today

For its time. I wonder if people rolled their eyes and bitched back then. I was around and saw the movie but didn't go out of my way to read reviews.
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Why can't Hollywood make a historical movie that is historically accurate? I don't mean the number of rivets in the plane canopy has to be correct, but how about just getting basic facts correct? Why must everything be changed?

Look at the inaccuracies in Dunkirk and Bohemian Rhapsody for two examples. Things are changed that are 1) easily checked, 2) obviously wrong but 3) don't really make the story better by being changed. It's like Hollywood writers or directors feel the MUST change things or the movie isn't "theirs" or something. I wish I knew what they were thinking. The original story is already interesting! Why do they think it has to be changed? Ego?

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This movie is going to suck so bad they will have to devise a new standard to measure the suckiness.

RC - This isn't a made-up battle with made-up characters. Therefore the "technical details" are the only thing that matters.
Of course this is obviously wrong. It is entirely possible to make a movie based on real events that gets the details right and still utterly sucks. If it's poorly paced, dull, badly edited and acted, it's gonna suck ass no matter if it's all true or not.

Similarly, a movie can play loose with some facts but still deliver a quality experience. "Apollo 13" alters some little things - they argument between Haise and Swigert never happened - but it's a fantastic movie that tells you a pretty solid version of the story.

I haven't seen the film but the trailer is not promising, and I didn't bother to note any historical errors; it looks like it''s going to suck because the acting and dialogue I saw was AMAZINGLY bad. Like, middle school Christmas play bad.

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Look at the inaccuracies in Dunkirk and Bohemian Rhapsody for two examples.
Those are totally different examples.

"Dunkirk" wasn't presented as the story of real people. It was just a general version of events. The parts of the story it got right were the parts it needed to get right to convey an idea of what happened and what it meant. It was a great movie.

"Bohemian Rhapsody" was quite specifically about real people, and some of the things it changed - especially about Freddie Mercury's sexuality and his having AIDS - were, frankly, kind of offensive.
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I just saw this and the most grievous error is all the American planes being shot down by Japanese anti-aircraft fire instead of by the fighters flying cover over the Japanese carriers. In reality only 2 or 3 of the American attackers were downed by ship-borne guns. CGI flack must be cheaper to create than CGI Zeroes.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:31 AM
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I just saw this and the most grievous error is all the American planes being shot down by Japanese anti-aircraft fire instead of by the fighters flying cover over the Japanese carriers. In reality only 2 or 3 of the American attackers were downed by ship-borne guns. CGI flack must be cheaper to create than CGI Zeroes.
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Also no Wildcats in the film. I know the bomber aircraft went in without waiting for their escorts but there still should have been Wildcats somewhere in the battle.
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Also no Wildcats in the film. I know the bomber aircraft went in without waiting for their escorts but there still should have been Wildcats somewhere in the battle.
I think that’s because the only Wildcats to engage over the Japanese carriers were from Yorktown and the film pretty much ignores the existence of that ship. “Hey look! Yorktown got hit!” is pretty much all you hear about the American flagship during the whole movie.
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I think that’s because the only Wildcats to engage over the Japanese carriers were from Yorktown and the film pretty much ignores the existence of that ship. “Hey look! Yorktown got hit!” is pretty much all you hear about the American flagship during the whole movie.
Also, those fighters (which were actually from Saratoga's VF3) were swarmed by Zeros and had their hands full. Fortunately they were commanded by John Thatch, who had developed the "Thatch weave" shortly before (this was the first time it was used in combat). While it allowed four of the six Wildcats to survive, they were unable to assist the bombers.
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I love CGI, Norm Macdonald looks young enough to be a pilot!
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While this movie looks like shit, I find the general idea of a Midway movie fascinating. The 1970s "Midway" wasn't very good either.

The Battle of Midway is one of the most fascinating historical events of all time to me, partially because I was once in signals intelligence, and sigint played a huge role in Midway. It's a remarkable example of a battle being a near-180-degree turning point in a huge, huge war. It's a rare historical example of an elaborate plan being foiled by an adversary laying a clever trap. The result of the battle was, in part, due to strokes of luck. It was the final and utterly conclusive proof of the supremacy of aircraft over battleships. The stakes were huge; had the American force been destroyed instead of the Japanese, something that absolutely could have happened with just a few tweaks in what happened, it would have been catastrophic for the American position in the Pacific. It's just a hell of a story.

Telling it in a two hour movie, though... I don't know how I would write that screenplay. Understanding Midway requires insight into the thought processes of both American and Japanese over the course of six months, if not more; the importance of the battle is informed by everything in the Pacific that led up to that, especially Pearl Harbor, the Doolittle raid, and Coral Sea. You can't explain WHY the Japanese made a play for Midway without understanding the Coral Sea.
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We saw it. Very decent acting, except by Harellson. The CGI wasnt bad. Altho yes, RickJay's point that the battle may not be fully understood without Pearl and Coral sea, I think Doolittles raid took too much screen time.

Too damn much smoking, and yes I know they smoked a lot back then.

Overall, not bad but I wont be watching it again.
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