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Old 09-28-2019, 08:23 PM
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And here it is again, you saying stupid crap about Trudeau that is clearly motivated by nothing more than personal animosity, ...
So you don't accept my apology? Why not? It was given with as much sincerity as Trudeau's.

Frankly, I don't hate or not hate Trudeau. We shouldn't be having any conversation around this idiot as he shouldn't be PM. The only reason he is is primarily because of who his father was. I don't think that is deserving of respect and it keeps people who are better qualified from achieving that position. I don't have to agree with someone to respect them. I am sure the Liberals can find someone who is both charismatic and competent and not have to excuse them for wearing blackface or fondling women or breaking the law, or saying they are woke and kicking out of caucus strong women for doing their jobs and not bowing down in the glow of his good hair.
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Fundamentally Trudeau has manage a caucus for longer than any other leader currently (aside from May), defeated the established Conservative government and moved his party from 34 seats to 184.

In all the ways that matter Trudeau has been a successful party leader. Given the economy, relative success in trade negotiations with the US and EU and more or less TPP, improvements in relations with First Nations he’s been a relatively successful PM.
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Frankly, I don't hate or not hate Trudeau. We shouldn't be having any conversation around this idiot as he shouldn't be PM.




You are absolutely hilarious. Don't every change Uzi. "I don't hate Trudeau". Followed by an amusing list of why you hate him with a burning passion. You even work in an insult about his hair. I'm surprised you didn't call him "Justine".

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Profit is one portion of economic activity. 150,000 people directly involved in that production, paying taxes, supporting services, etc. A large portion of that activity directly in Canada.

https://www.ogj.com/drilling-product...duction-growth

It's not just "no profit", your plan would have us losing $10 on every barrel we sell. Where would that money come from? If it's supposed to come from the oil companies, well, good fucking luck, those are the guys who decided to lay everyone off when the price went below $90 per barrel or so. So where else will it come from? The Federal Government? BUT THAT'S SOCIALISM!!11!!1!


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Production is becoming more efficient. No worries. Keep sending your money to prop up theocrats and dictators rather than supporting your fellow Canadians.

I just love hearing this from the pro-Alberta crowd, after Alberta has taken every opportunity they've had in my entire life to tell the rest of Canada to go fuck themselves whenever we've asked them to pretty please do something for "their fellow Canadians".




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Fundamentally Trudeau has manage a caucus for longer than any other leader currently (aside from May), defeated the established Conservative government and moved his party from 34 seats to 184.

In all the ways that matter Trudeau has been a successful party leader. Given the economy, relative success in trade negotiations with the US and EU and more or less TPP, improvements in relations with First Nations heís been a relatively successful PM.

BUT HIS LAST NAME! TEH nAMmE!!!11!!

I didn't vote for him the last time because he did seem to get an easy ride based on his father. But since then he's done a pretty good job where it really counts, including showing some actual leadership when he bought that pipeline. Yes, yes, I know, he's getting shit on by both sides over that now, but that's the point: he did something for "Think of your Fellow Canadians!" Alberta that he knew would be totally unpopular with his own supporters, because it was the right thing to do. And he did it knowing that nothing would ever sway the opinions of the "Looks at his clothes!" brigade.

Sure, the pipeline failed, because no one really wants Albertan oil at this price point, but you can't Blame Trudeau for the cost of oil.

Well, they will blame him, but they shouldn't.
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Old 09-29-2019, 07:04 PM
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Rather than ad hominem opinions of Trudeau, what do you think about the Liberals proposals?

Iím not against spending on things that will make or save money in the long run, or allow other people to do so. After all, interest rates may not always be low.

But heavy spending in good times needs to be targeted. A PharmaCare program might make sense. National child care would help families. Infrastructure could be helpful; there should be broader transportation networks around big cities and service to rural areas. Environmental sacrifices and military upgrades cost money.

The traditional of micro targeted tax rebates is inefficient. Iím not thrilled with money for camping, which could be done in smarter ways. Iíd like to see more balance. Throwing money at housing just elevates prices. Money to fight gangs is probably worthwhile. There doesnít seem to be much restraint, though. The reports saying Canada is fiscally sound donít seem to include provincial or municipal obligations.

Your thoughts?
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Pharmacare should in no way be considered "heavy spending in good times". That's nuts. It would be a permanent program. I think it's an important thing that should be implemented but let's be real.
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I like Trudeau. Some parts of the plan are okay. Serious authors like Danielle Martin make a compelling case for PharmaCare, but the details matter. In the long run it would save many Canadians money.

But Trudeauís 27 billion dollar deficit does not include or discuss PharmaCare. Heavy spending in good times refers to this 27 billion. I give PharmaCare as an example of a good long-term investment.

In fairness, some economists think distributing money to the middle class can prevent or minimize a coming recession. Iím not sure itís enough money to do that. Infrastructure means jobs and has lasting benefits.
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Since the leaders aren't going to layout their platforms I thought I'd go digging. The Liberals only just released theirs, while the Conservatives still don't seem to have a single page. Anyone with a link, please put it up.

Conservative Platform - ???
Green Platform - https://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform
Liberal Platform - https://2019.liberal.ca/our-platform...tform-casgrain
NDP Platform - https://www.ndp.ca/commitments

And the PBO estimates page https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/en/epc-estimates
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Since the leaders aren't going to layout their platforms I thought I'd go digging. The Liberals only just released theirs, while the Conservatives still don't seem to have a single page. Anyone with a link, please put it up.

Conservative Platform - ???
Green Platform - https://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform
Liberal Platform - https://2019.liberal.ca/our-platform...tform-casgrain
NDP Platform - https://www.ndp.ca/commitments

And the PBO estimates page https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/en/epc-estimates
From what I've seen in TV and newspaper ads, the Conservative platform currently appears to be "Everybody should hate Trudeau!".
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You are absolutely hilarious. Don't every change Uzi. "I don't hate Trudeau". Followed by an amusing list of why you hate him with a burning passion. You even work in an insult about his hair. I'm surprised you didn't call him "Justine".
Ok, I hate him, if it makes you feel better. As good a reason for not voting for him as any of the others I mentioned. And the reason? The other items I mentioned.
If I said I liked him, would it make those issues any less important? Or, if I like him then I'd forgive him? But why should I like him? What the hell do my feelings for him matter in the least?
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The real question is why did you decide to be so transparently dishonest? Did you think "not hating him" was going to make your insults and name calling more weighty?
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The real question is why did you decide to be so transparently dishonest? Did you think "not hating him" was going to make your insults and name calling more weighty?
I see, so it is about me rather than the person who wore blackface? Nice defelction. I don't see how my feelings about this idiot makes one bit of difference.
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I see, so it is about me rather than the person who wore blackface? Nice defelction. I don't see how my feelings about this idiot makes one bit of difference.
No, it's not about you. Well, the part about you was about you, but the election isn't. I'm sorry I don't care that much about the black face. For something like that, which clearly didn't come from a place of hate, the contrition he's offered is sufficient for me. You may not believe it but I'd offer the same pardon to Scheer.
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Here's an actual Conservative policy: Cut foreign aid by 25%, Redirect the savings into tax cuts for the wealthy.

Well, at least it's a policy.
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Which Conservative tax cut? The proposed reduction on the lowest tier from 15% to 13.75% is obviously targeted at the lowest federal taxation income level and not the wealthy, though they benefit as well.

Cost is expected to be 6 billion (https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/web/defaul...=1569954894076) which swamps out the 2 billion redirected from foreign aid. So I'm not sure where that money comes from.

It's be interesting to see a proposal that placed a new bracket in the upper reaches as well as reducing a lower bracket. That's not something that comes out in an election though.
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Cost is expected to be 6 billion (https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/web/defaul...=1569954894076) which swamps out the 2 billion redirected from foreign aid. So I'm not sure where that money comes from.

Inefficiencies!
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The CPoC has a completely childish 404 page. https://www.conservative.ca/404.html It really seems like the bulk of the CPoC campaign is "Not Trudeau!"

With respect to costed platforms, the other parties are all out with PBO costed platforms. Scheer says he will have one out. Eventually. To me it seems like he wants to continue to say that Trudeau's Liberals aren't fiscally responsible while hiding that his platform will be: a - expensive, and b - unbalanced. Am I wrong? Maybe, but the way to show me I'm wrong is for the CPoC to put out a costed platform. What are they waiting for?

https://globalnews.ca/news/5973482/s...sted-platform/

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The latest 338canada.com analysis has this starting to run away from the CPoC in terms of seat projections. Popular vote is neck and neck, but much of the CPoC vote is going to be wasted in the West (they'll win by landslides). I'd really like to see the PPC numbers go lower. Like to zero. Or maybe negatives. The big story of this election though has got to be the Green Party and NDP possibly switching places right? Is an NDP/Green merger in the future?

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I think the 2 billion includes 200 million a year in to the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank but the rest seems fuzzy.

http://cidpnsi.ca/canadas-foreign-aid-2012-2/ has an excellent visualization of Canada's foreign aid. I'm not sure what bi-lateral means specifically or if that includes contributions to UN agencies that then apply the funds to various regions. The Conservatives point out Russia, Iran and North Korea but not specific programs. It could be TB controls for all we know.
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Am I wrong? Maybe, but the way to show me I'm wrong is for the CPoC to put out a costed platform. What are they waiting for?

Why would he bother doing that? Ford's win in Ontario demonstrated that the conservatives can win without posting a serious budget projection, so why would they ever put one out ever again? Keeping mum won't cost them conservative votes, and won't provide actual ammunition to the opposing parties that might cost them swing votes.
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For the love of god Conservatives why are you not killing it? https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elec...racker/canada/ (has Liberals still leading).

Someone explain to me the Conservative election approach? You've got a center-left party that's failed environmentalists, failed to implement electoral reform and managed to combine ethical lapses with targeted smearing of accomplished women. Each and every one of those things should be having their left leaning supporter peel off to the NDP & Greens. What has Sheer and company done? Targeted tax breaks and, I guess, cutting foreign aid.

Honestly Ontario is ripe to elect a socially progressive centre-right party but for some reason the Conservatives simply can't seem to be that party.
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It looks to me that with this "we will cut foreign aid" promise, Scheer is trying to target Bernier's "We hate brown people" demographic. Wrong approach in my opinion.

What's next? Is Scheer going to promise to build a wall <ahem> sorry, a "fence" like Bernier promised?
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Honestly? I'm happy withdrawing from the AIIB and I'm not sure actual funding in countries that are in or advancing through middle-income levels makes a lot of sense. Besides cutting foreign aid is a default/classic position of conservative parties.

Which is why I see the move as an attempt to stake out a "responsible steward of your money" when compared to "deficits for as far as you can see". I mean it looks like a wash, people don't get % GDP views but framing Liberals as spending more than they're taking in (which they have and will) is completely legitimate.

In a way you'd think Scheer would be jumping for joy with the PPC. They've pulled more nativists/intollerants than libertarians and given the Conservatives a chance to "not be those guys" and swing hard for centre right liberals.

And wow I use "" too much.
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In a way you'd think Scheer would be jumping for joy with the PPC. They've pulled more nativists/intollerants than libertarians and given the Conservatives a chance to "not be those guys" and swing hard for centre right liberals.
You'd think... because this makes sense. But I just don't see the Conservatives moving to the center any time soon.

The Conservatives certainly are trying the tactic of "the liberals will spend more than they take in." Which has the benefit of being entirely truthful.

But what they don't mention that this is exactly their plan as well.
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The Conservatives would win this election if they stuck to policies like balancing the budget, strongly supporting the environment (in a way that addresses some concerns of the oil patch), boosted the active military, addressed the concerns of small businesses and came up with strong foreign policy alternatives. These are not the Liberals strongest points.

They should avoid attacking immigration and strong American-style social conservative views. As per Jason Kenney, they should aggressively seek the votes of the many immigrants who sympathize with classic conservative views.

I don’t know what to make of the commercials where Scheer is kind of talking away from the camera for most of it. It makes him seem evasive.
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I agree with you Grey. A socially progressive conservative party would clean up. I'd likely vote for them depending on the specifics of their platform of course.
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I donít know what to make of the commercials where Scheer is kind of talking away from the camera for most of it. It makes him seem evasive.
Of all my issues with the CPoC, the biggest is that Scheer comes across as trying to hide something. And that greatly concerns me.
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Of all my issues with the CPoC, the biggest is that Scheer comes across as trying to hide something. And that greatly concerns me.
All you need to know is that he's not Trudeau.
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By the way, Scheer is on Face to Face with National Leaders tonight on CBC. I'm looking forward to seeing it in hopes of learning more about Scheer.

Oh wait I forgot, supposedly I'm a hyperpartisan who has drunk the Kool-aid. LOL

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Scheer's answers last night were more or less what you would expect from a politician seeking election. Overall, I think he did a good job presenting himself. He seems like a nice guy. I think I would get along better with Scheer than Trudeau. I'd say he increased my odds of voting for him from 0% to maybe 3%. I simply do not like his plan for dealing with climate change. And that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's sincere about it.

Did anybody else what it?
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Why would he bother doing that? Ford's win in Ontario demonstrated that the conservatives can win without posting a serious budget projection, so why would they ever put one out ever again?
Because they're losing. So, you know, maybe they should try something else.

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Someone explain to me the Conservative election approach?
Sure.

What you have in the Conservative Party is a classic conflict between the base that creates the party and the need of the party to expand beyond that base. It's all well and fine to say that the Conservatives should seek to reach out to Canada's many socially liberal/fiscally conservative voters, and I am sure that would gain some votes, but that conflict with he wants of the Conservative base, which is in fact socially conservative. These are the people who MADE the party. They don 't want the party to change from what they wanted in the first place to get votes that aren't aligned with who they are. To take this to a logically absurd point, they could steal votes from the NDP by embracing flat-out socialism, too, but at that point they've left behind all their base.

As it is, the Conservative leader always has to strike a balancing act between reassuring his base that he's socially conservative while not actually doing anything socially conservative; it's why Scheer's line on abortion is "well, that's how it is now" as opposed to any sort of actual position. Stephen Harper was a master of this game, retaining social conservative cred without ever doing anything that justified it.

If Scheer abandons the pretense of social conservatism, what will happen is social conservatives won't vote for him, and they are literally the base of the party. Ten years ago the risk to that would have been that your base becomes disinterested and doesn't turn out, which is bad. NOW, the risk is they vote for the People's Party, which is worse. Here are the latest popular vote estimates:

Conservative Party - 34.3
Liberal Party - 33.6
New Democratic Party - 13.1
Green Party - 10.3
Bloc Quebecois - 4.9 (QC 21.0)
People's Party - 3.0

Three percent doesn't seem like a lot, but it is. It's actually kind of impressive Bernier could get his weird little party's support that high in such a short period of time. As it stands, the Conservatives are neck and neck in popular vote but will probably lose anyway because of vote distribution. If they had that 3 percent, or even 2 of the 3, their odds of forming a government would be much higher. In a very fractured popular vote scenario, a few percent is a massive difference. The PPC vote drains votes away from the Conservatives but gives the seats almost entire to the Liberals; the PPC themselves might win Maxime Bernier's seat but won't win any others.

A shift to the left on social issues isn't going to snap up easy seats - especially not three weeks before the election when most people's metal images of parties are set. It'll piss off the base more than anything else, and with the PPC growing, just throw pointless votes to them.
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You'd think... because this makes sense. But I just don't see the Conservatives moving to the center any time soon.

The Conservatives certainly are trying the tactic of "the liberals will spend more than they take in." Which has the benefit of being entirely truthful.

But what they don't mention that this is exactly their plan as well.

Exactly.

Here's an interesting piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EDX-Wcxpp4
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What you have in the Conservative Party is a classic conflict between the base that creates the party and the need of the party to expand beyond that base.
Sure but that base is small compared to the potential centre-right. In fact the centre-right defection from the Harper government was what gave the Liberals the ability to leap frog the NDP and win the last election. The last election was suppose to be a Conservative/NDP fight.

Watched the Trudeau Face to Face - Moderator was hardly confrontational and these seemed to be social concern voters. Trudeau, whatever his failings, is really adept at settling in with the people questioning him. Even the woman from Cold Lake Alberta was hardly confrontational given the rhetoric. Not nearly the questioning about past policy I would have expected.

Watched the Scheer Face to Face - Moderator seems more aggressive in this one. Voters were more fiscally focused. I thought the guy from New Brunswick is the perfect person Elizabeth May needs to be confronted with. Scheer comes across as less 'slick" than Trudeau and honestly I thought he held his tone and composure well. Lots (more) policy questions than the Trudeau session.
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Today Singh is, yet again, confronted for not being Canadian enough. *sigh* At least he wasn't accosted for being an Islamist this time.

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Scheer completed one of four insurance broker courses.
Days after the story broke the Conservative Party`s website biography currently still states - Before entering public life, Andrew worked in the private sector as an insurance broker.

No doubt this will not change any votes but I think this goes way past resume embellishment. Scheer is applying for Canada`s top job. No doubt many people polish their resumes - but in my opinion it should be limited to stating you are really good at doing something you actually did and was legally qualified to do (when in fact your experience and ability may currently be less than average). But this is stating he was doing something he never did and was not qualified to do. Objectively I can definitively state that at my work I flat out wouldn't hire someone if I found they lied to this level on their resume.
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The funny thing is, at the end the guy says "I hope you win".

ETA I think. It gets clipped at the end
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jag...sikh-1.5305840 has a transcript where the man says ""All right, take care, eh?" the man called after him. "I hope you win.""
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Scheer completed one of four insurance broker courses.
Days after the story broke the Conservative Party`s website biography currently still states - Before entering public life, Andrew worked in the private sector as an insurance broker.

No doubt this will not change any votes but I think this goes way past resume embellishment. Scheer is applying for Canada`s top job. No doubt many people polish their resumes - but in my opinion it should be limited to stating you are really good at doing something you actually did and was legally qualified to do (when in fact your experience and ability may currently be less than average). But this is stating he was doing something he never did and was not qualified to do. Objectively I can definitively state that at my work I flat out wouldn't hire someone if I found they lied to this level on their resume.
I have to agree.

I don't mind if Scheer is a "career politician". I actually think that committing to a career of public service is not a bad thing - it's a good thing. And I think often too much is made of anyone needing to "know business" before they can do a good job in government (in fact, often it can be a detriment - see down south).

And I don't mind resume embellishment - to a the degree that everyone does it. I mean, if you show that your worked for an insurance company for "six or seven months" and "supported ďthe whole team, answering questions from customers and clients - and passed on information to people who would come into the office.Ē That's OK. Everyone knows that this means you were the receptionist. (Direct quote from Scheer). No problem with that.

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM THOUGH, if you then say you were an accredited insurance broker and "ďI did receive my accreditation. I left the insurance office before the licensing process was finalized.Ē, when you ONLY COMPLETED ONE OUT OF FOUR REQUIRED COURSES.

This is what is known as A BIG FAT LIE. And I have a problem when someone who aspires to be Prime Minister lies about his past experience.
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I don't like that Scheer lied. Let's start with that. Especially since it is such a stupid lie. However, and I know this is going to sound strange, but in a way I've found the whole affair to make him more endearing by being more of an imperfect human. He is obviously embarrassed about having been a receptionist. There's nothing to be embarrassed about it, but you can tell that for him, somewhere in his brain, this is something he doesn't like about his past. Like I used to work in a tech support call centre (inbound only, don't kill me). I used to actually tell people I was UNEMPLOYED during that time period instead of admitting I worked in a tech support call centre. I found it very humiliating. Now, as you can see, I don't care. It was actually a good experience in some ways. So, I can relate to how Scheer clearly feels about it. But again, it is a really dumb lie.

Oh wait, I forgot to put on my hyperpartisan Kool-aid drinking hat. I wouldn't want to lose my street cred for being a hyperpartisan Kool-aid drinker.

That fraking bastiche Scheer and his lying a$$! Frak that guy!

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Watched the Elizabeth May Face to Face - Moderator seemed more even handed than Scheer. Climate change figured, obviously. Interesting hearing the farmer arguing for more recognition for carbon sequestration. Again housing affordability or childcare to allow housing affordability comes up. Interesting that there was at least some talk about technology and a post-work taxation approach.

Someone should have asked how, exactly, we reduce fossil fuel dependence across Canada. 18% of our power is tied to coal, natural gas and oil. I poked at the numbers and it looks like 4 Darlington nuclear plants (the current facility produces 3.5GW) would cover the gap. That would/should have been the big question for the Greens given their desire to dramatically increase out GHG targets.
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Watched the Elizabeth May Face to Face - Moderator seemed more even handed than Scheer. Climate change figured, obviously. Interesting hearing the farmer arguing for more recognition for carbon sequestration. Again housing affordability or childcare to allow housing affordability comes up. Interesting that there was at least some talk about technology and a post-work taxation approach.

Someone should have asked how, exactly, we reduce fossil fuel dependence across Canada. 18% of our power is tied to coal, natural gas and oil. I poked at the numbers and it looks like 4 Darlington nuclear plants (the current facility produces 3.5GW) would cover the gap. That would/should have been the big question for the Greens given their desire to dramatically increase out GHG targets.
I agree with your assessment overall. I also would have liked that to be a question. I remember in New Brunswick the Green Party candidate for premier was asked how he planned to reduce industrial emissions (a big part of his platform), and he said "I will promote increased tourism in New Brunswick." When asked how he would do that his response was "By increasing adverstising." (these are not literal quotes, but paraphrasing quotes). And I remember thinking, every province and city wants more tourism dollars. Tourism dollars are great. It is external money coming in. How can this guy be premier if he thinks he can significantly increase tourism just via increased advertising? And this was back in 2008/2009 when people were taking "Staycations." It was just so absurd.

So, yes, I would very much like to hear the Green Party's national plan for reducing emissions.
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Oh wait, I forgot to put on my hyperpartisan Kool-aid drinking hat. I wouldn't want to lose my street cred for being a hyperpartisan Kool-aid drinker.

That fraking bastiche Scheer and his lying a$$! Frak that guy!
Come on, you're just phoning it in. Try again with a derogatory nickname, and maybe an insult about his personal appearance. Check the National Post comments site for some tips.
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So, yes, I would very much like to hear the Green Party's national plan for reducing emissions.
I'm not sure a national plan makes a lot of sense. Nova Scotia uses coal for 50% of it's power, Ontario generates 9% with natural gas, and Alberta uses coal for 45% and natural gas for another 45%. It seems very variable.

Honestly a federal plan to partner with heavy carbon provincial power systems to majority finance the construction of 3-4 Darlington type plants and electric grid extensions between provinces would seem like a decent idea. Construction jobs, uranium mining, retirement of old plants. Heck you could even expand connections to border states to sell excess power.

It'd take 20 odd years naturally but it would obviously move the needle.
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I'm not sure a national plan makes a lot of sense. Nova Scotia uses coal for 50% of it's power, Ontario generates 9% with natural gas, and Alberta uses coal for 45% and natural gas for another 45%. It seems very variable.

Honestly a federal plan to partner with heavy carbon provincial power systems to majority finance the construction of 3-4 Darlington type plants and electric grid extensions between provinces would seem like a decent idea. Construction jobs, uranium mining, retirement of old plants. Heck you could even expand connections to border states to sell excess power.

It'd take 20 odd years naturally but it would obviously move the needle.
By national, I didn't mean uniform across the nation, I meant what they would do as the national government.
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Come on, you're just phoning it in. Try again with a derogatory nickname, and maybe an insult about his personal appearance. Check the National Post comments site for some tips.
Ummm Scheerly Whiplash smells funny?

I got nothin'.
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I think obviously just continuously refer to "the receptionist" the way some sorts continuously refer to "the drama teacher," as if there's something wrong with either, and that they represent the sum total of each man's experience.
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I think obviously just continuously refer to "the receptionist" the way some sorts continuously refer to "the drama teacher," as if there's something wrong with either, and that they represent the sum total of each man's experience.
Agreed that this is silly, no matter who does it. These jobs are good jobs. You get good experience in both. And both men have an abundance of other, excellent experience.

However, Trudeau never pretended he was not a drama teacher in a school. He did not claim (for example) to have taught Royal Shakespeare Company actors.

Scheer has made a claim that is false (that he had met all requirements to join a professional body, when in fact he had only completed one of four mandatory exams required to join that body)
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So Scheer is a dual American whose only explanation about not disclosing that tidbit is no one has ever asked him about it.

Seriously - I mean wouldn't a reasonable person assume that might be a relevant detail voters would like to know if you're applying to be the top leader in Canada? Does he expect someone to have to ask him pointedly about every possible thing?
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