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Old 10-23-2019, 05:32 PM
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Lateral Thinking Puzzles. Let's do it again!


We did this two years ago and I thought we'd had enough of a break to maybe have another shot at it. Very open to whatever, but let's try to:

1. Not reuse puzzles from the old thread, which is not databased, but I hope you can do a search within. If it happens, it happens.

2. If you have heard it already, I would suggest we not blurt out the answer. Let's give people a shot to solve it. No googling, obviously.

I'll go first. Not sure how great this one is, but it should get us started.

A burglar is lifting two bars of gold, each so heavy he can not lift them above his waist. On the way out, he sees a security camera. With some very quick thinking, he disguises himself without putting down the gold bars. How?
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Old 10-23-2019, 06:40 PM
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OK, no clue yet, but let's have some questions to narrow things down a bit:

Does the disguise leave the gold bars visible?
Does the disguise leave him looking human?
Does the disguise leave him looking like someone who is authorized to move the gold bars?
Does the process of disguising himself require the use of his hands?
Would the disguise actually be effective versus the camera?
Would the disguise actually be effective versus a human passerby?
Would the disguise actually be effective against a guard?
Is he stealing the bars of gold from a place where they were intended to be stored securely?
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Old 10-23-2019, 06:49 PM
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OK, no clue yet, but let's have some questions to narrow things down a bit:

Does the disguise leave the gold bars visible? YES
Does the disguise leave him looking human? YES
Does the disguise leave him looking like someone who is authorized to move the gold bars? NO
Does the process of disguising himself require the use of his hands? NO
Would the disguise actually be effective versus the camera? YES
Would the disguise actually be effective versus a human passerby? NO
Would the disguise actually be effective against a guard? NO
Is he stealing the bars of gold from a place where they were intended to be stored securely? YES
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:37 PM
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Does the disguise:

change the appearance of the thief?
distort the camera image?
require the use of an item(s) not mentioned in the puzzle?

Is the normal appearance of the thief relevant?

Is the number of gold bars significant?

Does he smash the camera with a gold bar?
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Does the disguise:

change the appearance of the thief? YES
distort the camera image? NO
require the use of an item(s) not mentioned in the puzzle? YES

Is the normal appearance of the thief relevant? NO

Is the number of gold bars significant? NO

Does he smash the camera with a gold bar? NO
Answers up there.
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Does the disguise make it look like the gold bars are part of his clothing?
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Did the thief already have the additional item(s) on his person?

Would knowing the additional item(s) solve the puzzle?
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Are they standard bars of gold with the same dimensions that we see in the movies?
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:49 PM
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OK He pulls his sweater over his head and down each arm so that the gold bars are covered, one in each hand. He is bent over from the weight so he twerks his way out past the camera. Not suspicious at all, just a guy twerkin' it.
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Does the disguise make it look like the gold bars are part of his clothing?
NO

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Did the thief already have the additional item(s) on his person?

Would knowing the additional item(s) solve the puzzle?
YES and YES

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Are they standard bars of gold with the same dimensions that we see in the movies?
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OK He pulls his sweater over his head and down each arm so that the gold bars are covered, one in each hand. He is bent over from the weight so he twerks his way out past the camera. Not suspicious at all, just a guy twerkin' it.
NO
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Are the additional items usually used in cleaning?
Are the additional items usually used in general maintainance?
Are the additional items things that he used to lift the bars in the first place?
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:35 PM
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Are the additional items already on his person?
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Does he need the disguise to get out of the building or just to prevent being recognized afterwards?
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Old 10-24-2019, 12:11 AM
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Are the additional items usually used in cleaning?
Maybe you got it. A bit of soapy water and some rags and he could just be cleaning the floor with the gold bricks hidden under the rags.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:57 AM
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A previous answer did say that the bricks were still visible though.

Here's a specific guess - the thief used a pallet lifter to pick up the heavy gold bars, then turned them point-on to the camera so they seem like headlights
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Use shoelaces to tie bricks to bottom of shoes?
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Old 10-24-2019, 09:58 AM
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Are the additional items usually used in cleaning?
Are the additional items usually used in general maintainance?
Are the additional items things that he used to lift the bars in the first place?
1. NO
2. NO
3. NO

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Are the additional items already on his person?
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Does he need the disguise to get out of the building or just to prevent being recognized afterwards?
I'm not sure what you mean.

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Maybe you got it. A bit of soapy water and some rags and he could just be cleaning the floor with the gold bricks hidden under the rags.
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A previous answer did say that the bricks were still visible though.

Here's a specific guess - the thief used a pallet lifter to pick up the heavy gold bars, then turned them point-on to the camera so they seem like headlights
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Use shoelaces to tie bricks to bottom of shoes?
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Old 10-24-2019, 10:00 AM
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Does he need the disguise to get out of the building or just to prevent being recognized afterwards?
I'll just answer as I get it.

Does he need a disguise to get out?

NO

Does he need a disguise to prevent recognition?

YES
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Old 10-24-2019, 11:30 AM
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Is it additional "item"? Or "items" ?

Was the item(s) part of the thief's clothing?
Was the item(s) carried in the thief's pocket?
Was the item(s) an accessory like a watch or earrings?
Is the sex of the thief relevant?
Was the item(s) brought along to help with the crime?
Does the location of the crime matter?
Does it matter that gold bricks were being stolen as opposed to something else heavy?
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Old 10-24-2019, 01:01 PM
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Guess- He's wearing a welder's mask on his head and he quickly flicks it down by nodding his head.
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Does he reflect light off the gold bricks to "blind" the camera, perhaps from a headlamp he's already wearing?
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is it additional "item"? Or "items" ? Item

was the item(s) part of the thief's clothing? No
was the item(s) carried in the thief's pocket? No
was the item(s) an accessory like a watch or earrings? No
is the sex of the thief relevant? No
was the item(s) brought along to help with the crime? No
does the location of the crime matter? No
does it matter that gold bricks were being stolen as opposed to something else heavy? No
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guess- he's wearing a welder's mask on his head and he quickly flicks it down by nodding his head.
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does he reflect light off the gold bricks to "blind" the camera, perhaps from a headlamp he's already wearing?
no
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Does it involve shining light at the camera?
Like a headlamp?
Holding a flashlight in his mouth?

Does it involve directing any other beam or electronic interference at the camera?

Does he turn off the lights?
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You already said that the gold bars were still visible, but you also said that the disguise would not be effective against a human, only against the camera. So...

Would the gold bars be visible to the camera?
Is the position of the camera relevant?
Would a human watching the camera feed be able to tell that a person (perhaps unidentified) was stealing valuables?
Would a human watching the camera feed be able to identify the person seen by the camera (albeit perhaps not knowing that that person was doing anything wrong)?
Was there any human watching the camera feed live?
Would any human be expected to watch a recording of the camera feed, in the ordinary course of affairs?
Would any human be expected to watch a recording of the camera feed, once it is known that there was a theft?
Was the camera placed where it was for the purpose of stopping theft?
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Does it involve shining light at the camera?
Like a headlamp?
Holding a flashlight in his mouth?

Does it involve directing any other beam or electronic interference at the camera?

Does he turn off the lights?
No to all.

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You already said that the gold bars were still visible, but you also said that the disguise would not be effective against a human, only against the camera. So...

Would the gold bars be visible to the camera? YES
Is the position of the camera relevant? PROBABLY
Would a human watching the camera feed be able to tell that a person (perhaps unidentified) was stealing valuables? YES
Would a human watching the camera feed be able to identify the person seen by the camera (albeit perhaps not knowing that that person was doing anything wrong)? NO
Was there any human watching the camera feed live? NO
Would any human be expected to watch a recording of the camera feed, in the ordinary course of affairs? NO PROBABLY NOT
Would any human be expected to watch a recording of the camera feed, once it is known that there was a theft? YES
Was the camera placed where it was for the purpose of stopping theft? YES
I think that answers everything.
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Is the item:

A hat
A scarf
Glasses
Jacket
Hood

An electronic device
Paper or cardboard
Cloth
Plastic
Metal
Wood
Glass

Small enough to fit in a pocket

Did the device:

Change his appearance as recorded by the camera
Prevent the camera from properly recording the scene
Block the camera's "view" of his face
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Would someone who wasn't a thief carry this item around?
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A burglar is lifting two bars of gold, each so heavy he can not lift them above his waist. On the way out, he sees a security camera. With some very quick thinking, he disguises himself without putting down the gold bars. How?
Did the burglar ever pick up the gold bars?
ETA: Was the burglar carrying the bars "on the way out"?

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Is the item:

A hat - NO
A scarf - NO
Glasses - NO
Jacket - NO
Hood - NO

An electronic device - NO
Paper or cardboard - NO
Cloth - NO
Plastic - NO
Metal - NO
Wood - NO
Glass - NO

Small enough to fit in a pocket - YES

Did the device:

Change his appearance as recorded by the camera - NO(the recording was not affected)
Prevent the camera from properly recording the scene - NO
Block the camera's "view" of his face - YES
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Would someone who wasn't a thief carry this item around?
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Did the burglar ever pick up the gold bars?
ETA: Was the burglar carrying the bars "on the way out"?

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YES to both
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Is the burglar carrying the bars with both hands?
Is the burglar a human?
Is the burglar stealing the gold bars?

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Is the burglar carrying the bars with both hands?
Is the burglar a human?
Is the burglar stealing the gold bars?
YES to everything.
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Chewing gum bubble?
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Chewing gum bubble?
Winner!

He was chewing gum and when he saw the camera, he blew a big bubble that blocked his face from view.
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I have another, but if any of you have one, please go ahead.
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I got nothing. Go ahead.
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Josh bought a cigar for five cents, which he used a nickel to pay for. He was arrested for doing so(though was never convicted). What happened?
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Josh bought a cigar for five cents, which he used a nickel to pay for. He was arrested for doing so(though was never convicted). What happened?
Does Josh look like a kid?
Is the cigar from another country?

ETA: Is the nickel a coin worth five cents?
Is the cigar a tobacco cigar?

ETA: Does arrested mean taken into custody by law enforcement?

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Does Josh look like a kid? NO
Is the cigar from another country? IRRELEVANT

ETA: Is the nickel a coin worth five cents? YES
Is the cigar a tobacco cigar? YES

ETA: Does arrested mean taken into custody by law enforcement? YES

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I totally misread your last Q. Now I get it.
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Did the cigar only cost five cents?
Did Josh forget to pay taxes?
Did Josh buy the cigar from a person authorized to sell cigars?

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Was the nickel a foreign currency (foreign to the seller of the cigar)?

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Josh looked old enough but was he old enough?
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did the cigar only cost five cents? Yes
did josh forget to pay taxes? No
did josh buy the cigar from a person authorized to sell cigars? Yes

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josh looked old enough but was he old enough?

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Was Josh in a store that sell cigars?
If yes did he purchase the cigar from the store?
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Was Josh in a store that sell cigars?
If yes did he purchase the cigar from the store?
Yes to both.
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Is a wooden nickel involved?
Is an Indian head (Buffalo) nickel involved?
Is a Cigar-store Indian involved?
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Did Josh fraudulently alter, deface, mutilate, impair, diminish, falsify, scale, or lighten any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States?
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Was the store open when he got the cigar and paid for it?
ETA Was he allowed to be in the store?

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Was Josh arrested on suspicion of committing a crime/breaking the law?
Was Josh arrested because he paid for a cigar with a nickel?
Did Josh buy the cigar for himself?
Does "convicted" mean to be found guilty in a court of law?
Did Josh pay a person or machine for the cigar?
Does the store or vending machine accept cash payments?
Did Josh properly pay for the cigar before being arrested?
ETA: Was Josh arrested on accident/by mistake?
Was Josh arrested on suspicion of spending counterfeit money?

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Did the cigar contain something else besides tobacco?
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