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Old 10-25-2019, 02:18 PM
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Did Josh fraudulently alter, deface, mutilate, impair, diminish, falsify, scale, or lighten any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States?
YES, but this is not adequate to solve the entire puzzle.

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Is a wooden nickel involved? NO
Is an Indian head (Buffalo) nickel involved? NO
Is a Cigar-store Indian involved? NO
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Was the store open when he got the cigar and paid for it? YES
ETA Was he allowed to be in the store? YES
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Was Josh arrested on suspicion of committing a crime/breaking the law? YES
Was Josh arrested because he paid for a cigar with a nickel? NO
Did Josh buy the cigar for himself? IRRELEVANT
Does "convicted" mean to be found guilty in a court of law? YES
Did Josh pay a person or machine for the cigar? PERSON
Does the store or vending machine accept cash payments? IRRELEVANT
Did Josh properly pay for the cigar before being arrested? YES
ETA: Was Josh arrested on accident/by mistake? NO
Was Josh arrested on suspicion of spending counterfeit money? YES

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Did the cigar contain something else besides tobacco?
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We're gonna need a full picture of the situation to consider it solved.
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:37 PM
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Did Josh make the nickle look like a valuable copper nickel (or a mistruck coin), but not present it as such, relying on the storekeeper recognizing it and agreeing to the deal?

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Was it a Westward Journey commemorative nickel?
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Old 10-25-2019, 03:06 PM
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Did Josh make the nickle look like a valuable copper nickel (or a mistruck coin), but not present it as such, relying on the storekeeper recognizing it and agreeing to the deal?
He did not make it look like a valuable copper nickel or mistruck coin.

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Was it a Westward Journey commemorative nickel?
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Was the coin a stolen item? Or thought to be one?

Was the coin counterfeit? Or thought to be so ?

Were nickel coins brand new at the time, and thus unrecognised by the shopkeeper?

Was Josh suspected of being a foreign agent or spy?

Was it Confederate currency? Or Yankee currency presented in a Southern state?
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Was it a magic trick of some kind? (I remember a nickle coin casing that can fit over a penny)
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He did not make it look like a valuable copper nickel or mistruck coin.
Did he make it look like another coin altogether? Like a similarly sized gold coin?
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Old 10-25-2019, 04:32 PM
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Was the coin a stolen item? Or thought to be one? NO

Was the coin counterfeit? Or thought to be so ? NO

Were nickel coins brand new at the time, and thus unrecognised by the shopkeeper? NO

Was Josh suspected of being a foreign agent or spy? NO

Was it Confederate currency? Or Yankee currency presented in a Southern state? NO
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Did he make it look like another coin altogether? Like a similarly sized gold coin? YES
I think this might be enough.

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Was it a magic trick of some kind? (I remember a nickle coin casing that can fit over a penny) NO
Telemark has most of it. He was not convicted of anything, though. Why?
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Telemark has most of it. He was not convicted of anything, though. Why?
Has the case gone to trial?

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Has the case gone to trial?

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Old 10-25-2019, 05:07 PM
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Did he use a gold plated "V" nickel?

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Enterprising fraudsters soon realized that the new nickel was close in diameter to that of the five-dollar gold piece, and if the new coin was gold-plated, it might be passed for five dollars. They soon did so, and had success in passing the coin.[11] Some coins were given a reeded edge by the fraudsters, to make them appear more like the gold coins.[12] A widespread tale is that one of the perpetrators of this fraud was a man named Josh Tatum, who would go into a store, select an item costing five cents or less, and offer the gold-plated piece in payment—and many clerks gave him $4.95 in change. According to the tale, the law had no recourse against Tatum, as he had tendered the value of his purchase and had merely accepted the change as a gift.[11] By some accounts, Tatum could not have misrepresented the value of the coin as he was a deaf-mute.[2]
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Did he use a gold plated "V" nickel?

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Enterprising fraudsters soon realized that the new nickel was close in diameter to that of the five-dollar gold piece, and if the new coin was gold-plated, it might be passed for five dollars. They soon did so, and had success in passing the coin.[11] Some coins were given a reeded edge by the fraudsters, to make them appear more like the gold coins.[12] A widespread tale is that one of the perpetrators of this fraud was a man named Josh Tatum, who would go into a store, select an item costing five cents or less, and offer the gold-plated piece in payment—and many clerks gave him $4.95 in change. According to the tale, the law had no recourse against Tatum, as he had tendered the value of his purchase and had merely accepted the change as a gift.[11] By some accounts, Tatum could not have misrepresented the value of the coin as he was a deaf-mute.[2]
Uh, yeah...that's it. So you figured all that out and pulled up the article to confirm it? OK...neat.

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Dangit, missed the conclusion to one, and an entire second one, while I was out of town.
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:41 PM
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I have another one if you guys are up for it. Very open to someone else posing one if you get a chance.

I do not believe this one is in the other thread. I searched and did not see it.

A man lies dead in his dining room. On his plate are two uneaten buttered muffins and one half eaten buttered muffin. What happened?
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I have another one if you guys are up for it. Very open to someone else posing one if you get a chance.

I do not believe this one is in the other thread. I searched and did not see it.

A man lies dead in his dining room. On his plate are two uneaten buttered muffins and one half eaten buttered muffin. What happened?
Did the muffins cause his death?
Did he... choke?
Allergic reaction?
Was it Rev. Green in the Dining Room with the candlestick?

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Did the muffins cause his death?
Did he... choke?
Allergic reaction?
Was it Rev. Green in the Dining Room with the candlestick?
NO to all.
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NO to all.
Is the dead man literally lying down?
Is the "plate" a flat tableware?
Does (did) the man own the plate?
When you say "muffins", do you mean a form of bread? If not, was the man a rapist?
Was the man alive when the muffins were baked?

Is this a wake?

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By muffin, do you refer to a bready/cakey food as we commonly understand that term? Is that true for all 3 examples?
By butter, you mean edible churned dairy cream? On all of the buttered muffins?
Did the man who lies dead eat half of the half eaten muffin?
Is he dead? (No play on "lies"?)

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Is the dead man literally lying down? NO
Is the "plate" a flat tableware? YES
Does (did) the man own the plate? YES
When you say "muffins", do you mean a form of bread? YES If not, was the man a rapist? (NO)
Was the man alive when the muffins were baked? YES

Is this a wake? NO

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By muffin, do you refer to a bready/cakey food as we commonly understand that term?
Is that true for all 3 examples?
By butter, you mean edible churned dairy cream? On all of the buttered muffins?
Did the man who lies dead eat half of the half eaten muffin?
Is he dead? (No play on "lies"?)
YES to everything. (and correct, no play on the word "lies").
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Did he have a heart attack?
Did he have an allergic reaction?
Are there any visible signs or indications of cause of death on the corpse, e.g. rash, blunt force trauma, gunshot wounds?
Were the muffins related in any way to his death?
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Did he have a heart attack? NO
Did he have an allergic reaction? NO
Are there any visible signs or indications of cause of death on the corpse, e.g. rash, blunt force trauma, gunshot wounds? YES
Were the muffins related in any way to his death? YES
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If someone else came along and ate the other half of the half-eaten muffin, would that person die?

Could this scenario occur with toast instead of muffins?

Could it occur if none of the muffins had been buttered?
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Was there a napkin?
Was there a knife?
Was the butter melted?
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If someone else came along and ate the other half of the half-eaten muffin, would that person die? NO

Could this scenario occur with toast instead of muffins? YES

Could it occur if none of the muffins had been buttered? YES
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Was there a napkin?
Was there a knife?
Was the butter melted?
I have no idea for these three. IRRELEVANT.
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Ooh, wait, I know! He didn't want to eat the muffins in an agitated manner, because the butter would probably get on his cuffs, so he sat there calmly eating muffins, and therefore became ... perfectly heartless

(This theory is not being proposed in earnest.)
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(This theory is not being proposed in earnest.)
Unlike the muffins, which were certainly in Ernest (for some value of Ernest)

Would the man have died if he hadn’t sat at the table?

Would he have died if he had sat at the table but not eaten a muffin?
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Was his death a result of natural causes?

An accident?

A suicide?

A murder?
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Unlike the muffins, which were certainly in Ernest (for some value of Ernest)

Would the man have died if he hadn’t sat at the table? YES

Would he have died if he had sat at the table but not eaten a muffin? NO
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Was his death a result of natural causes? NO

An accident? NO

A suicide? YES

A murder? NO
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Death penalty? The muffins were his last meal?

Edit - obviously not.

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So, just to recap

The muffin didn't cause his death
Another person could eat the other half of muffin and be fine.
Nevertheless, he wouldn't have died if he hadn't eaten half the muffin
And he did it on purpose.

Did he consume anything else apart from the muffin?
Is whatever killed him still in the room?
Was any animal involved in his death?
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Was it a duel by sausage muffin?

https://skullsinthestars.com/2014/11...-duel-of-1865/

A plate of muffins, one contains poison. Two or more challengers take it in turns to eat a muffin until one drops down dead.

Or if not a duel, then a sort of Russian Roulette.
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You've said no allergic reactions, but did the man have any other medical conditions that are relevant?
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Was there an argument or disagreement prior to the man's death?
Was he shot to death?
Was he killed because he didn't like the muffin?
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I'm guessing he committed suicide by overdose, and needed the half muffin to take the pills.

ETA: visible sign of death: foaming from the mouth

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He wanted to suicide. He selected a toxin that he couldn't tolerate alone so he baked muffins to make it palatable. He didn't know how much toxin it would take to kill him so he put toxin in each muffin. He buttered all three in case he needed to eat all three. Turns out it took just one half of one muffin.
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He wanted to suicide. He selected a toxin that he couldn't tolerate alone so he baked muffins to make it palatable. He didn't know how much toxin it would take to kill him so he put toxin in each muffin. He buttered all three in case he needed to eat all three. Turns out it took just one half of one muffin.
I don't think the muffins were poisoned, since it was said that another person could eat a muffin and not die.

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I don't think the muffins were poisoned, since it was said that another person could eat a muffin and not die.



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Was poison the cause of his death?
Was traumatic injury the cause of his death?
Was a burn of some sort the cause of his death?
Would knowledge of the composition/recipe of the muffins be relevant to solving the puzzle?
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So, just to recap

The muffin didn't cause his death
Another person could eat the other half of muffin and be fine.
Nevertheless, he wouldn't have died if he hadn't eaten half the muffin
And he did it on purpose.

Did he consume anything else apart from the muffin?
Is whatever killed him still in the room?
Was any animal involved in his death?
You got it all right, but I would simply clarify that he could have died without eating half the muffin. I wouldn't worry about it, it's a stickler point, but not a big one.

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Was it a duel by sausage muffin? NO

https://skullsinthestars.com/2014/11...-duel-of-1865/

A plate of muffins, one contains poison. Two or more challengers take it in turns to eat a muffin until one drops down dead. NO

Or if not a duel, then a sort of Russian Roulette. NO
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You've said no allergic reactions, but did the man have any other medical conditions that are relevant?
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Was there an argument or disagreement prior to the man's death? NO
Was he shot to death? YES
Was he killed because he didn't like the muffin? NO
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I'm guessing he committed suicide by overdose, and needed the half muffin to take the pills.

ETA: visible sign of death: foaming from the mouth

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He wanted to suicide. He selected a toxin that he couldn't tolerate alone so he baked muffins to make it palatable. He didn't know how much toxin it would take to kill him so he put toxin in each muffin. He buttered all three in case he needed to eat all three. Turns out it took just one half of one muffin.
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Was poison the cause of his death? NO
Was traumatic injury the cause of his death? YES
Was a burn of some sort the cause of his death? NO
Would knowledge of the composition/recipe of the muffins be relevant to solving the puzzle? NO
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Aha, so he was shot. Now we just need to figure out why, and what the muffins had to do with anything.

Did he shoot himself?
Did he own the muffins?
Did the shooter recognize him as the owner of the muffins?
If the shooter did not know that he had eaten (part of) a muffin, would he have died?

So far, the best I've got is that he wanted to die, so he deliberately antagonized someone by eating their muffins, with the expectation that this would cause the muffin-owner to shoot him.
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Ooh, wait, I know! He didn't want to eat the muffins in an agitated manner, because the butter would probably get on his cuffs, so he sat there calmly eating muffins, and therefore became ... perfectly heartless

(This theory is not being proposed in earnest.)
I see what you did there:
http://www.literaturepage.com/read.p...=55&bookmark=1


No solution to the mystery, but a couple of questions:

Was he shot dead while he was eating a muffin?

Was he shot dead because he was eating a muffin?

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Did he shoot himself? YES
Did he own the muffins? YES
Did the shooter recognize him as the owner of the muffins? YES
If the shooter did not know that he had eaten (part of) a muffin, would he have died? NO

So far, the best I've got is that he wanted to die, so he deliberately antagonized someone by eating their muffins, with the expectation that this would cause the muffin-owner to shoot him. NO
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I see what you did there:
http://www.literaturepage.com/read.p...=55&bookmark=1


No solution to the mystery, but a couple of questions:

Was he shot dead while he was eating a muffin? NO

Was he shot dead because he was eating a muffin? YES
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Did he discover something from eating half a muffin that shocked or disgusted him so much that he committed suicide?
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Did the man intend to commit suicide before he began eating the muffin?

Did eating the muffin cause him to discover something that made him become suicidal? (Similar to the infamous "albatross soup" puzzle?)

Regarding the medical condition:

Would it have been fatal if he hadn't shot himself first?

Did it involve impairment of the senses (blindness, deafness, etc.)?

Did it involve a mental illness of some sort?
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Did he discover something from eating half a muffin that shocked or disgusted him so much that he committed suicide?
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Did the man intend to commit suicide before he began eating the muffin? YES

Did eating the muffin cause him to discover something that made him become suicidal? (Similar to the infamous "albatross soup" puzzle?) NO

Regarding the medical condition:

Would it have been fatal if he hadn't shot himself first? NO

Did it involve impairment of the senses (blindness, deafness, etc.)? NO

Did it involve a mental illness of some sort? I think YES on this one
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Is his motivation for committing suicide relevant?

Did the medical condition have an impact on his motivation (e.g. he committed suicide because he was depressed, or just didn't want to live with his condition any more)?

Did it have an impact on the WAY he committed suicide?

Might a person without this condition have also committed suicide under similar circumstances?

Would such a person have eaten half a muffin first?
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Was the man a diabetic?
Was he depressed?
Did he have an eating disorder?
Did he resolve to test his restraint by placing muffins in front of him but forbidding himself to eat them, to shoot himself if he gave in?
Was the man alone when he shot himself?

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Was eating the muffin a test to see if a problem was over or resolved, and upon discovering that it wasn't he killed himself?
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Old 10-30-2019, 04:01 PM
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Did eating the muffin somehow make suicide a better experience for the man?
Was the butter used for another purpose besides being spread on the muffin?
Did the muffin contain something?
If so, did the man find it after taking a bite?

Theory: somebody put a bullet in the muffin and the guy was in a jail cell, deciding that suicide was better than his eventual punishment.
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