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Is this a character in fiction? Yes.

Is this a character in nonfiction? Probably, but the specific work that is relevant is closer to the "fiction" end of the fiction-nonfiction scale.

Did angry man really exist in the real world? Yes.

Does this involve royalties? No.

Does this involve copyright? No.
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Was the action taken as a result of the statement, that somebody sold something that was or would become profitable?

Does the loss of 800 million mean that the losers, collectively, are paying that amount per year when they otherwise wouldn't have had to?

Or does it mean that they are failing to receive that amount per year, that they otherwise would have?
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Was the action taken as a result of the statement, that somebody sold something that was or would become profitable? No.

Does the loss of 800 million mean that the losers, collectively, are paying that amount per year when they otherwise wouldn't have had to? By and large, no, although it may include some expenses that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

Or does it mean that they are failing to receive that amount per year, that they otherwise would have? Yes.
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So, just to be clear, the angry man was an actual historical figure active in the 1890s, but the statement in question is known from a portrayal of him in a fictional work. And it was the fictional work that costs people the money. Is that correct?

Did the real person actually make the statement in question, or something similar?

Was the fictional work :
- a novel/ short story/ other written work ?
- a poem or song ?
- a stage play/ opera ?
- a radio broadcast ?
- a movie ?
- a TV show ?
- other ?
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So, just to be clear, the angry man was an actual historical figure active in the 1890s, but the statement in question is known from a portrayal of him in a fictional work. And it was the fictional work that costs people the money. Is that correct? No, there is at least one wrong assumption here.

Did the real person actually make the statement in question, or something similar? Probably not.

Was the fictional work :
- a novel/ short story/ other written work ?
- a poem or song ?
- a stage play/ opera ?
- a radio broadcast ?
- a movie ?
- a TV show ?
- other ?

Yes to "stage play / opera".
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So, just to be clear, the angry man was an actual historical figure active in the 1890s, but the statement in question is known from a portrayal of him in a fictional work. And it was the fictional work that costs people the money. Is that correct? No, there is at least one wrong assumption here.
Okay, revise the assumptions.

The fictional work was from the 1890's, depicting a man who lived some time before that. Is that correct?


Was the work censored, or banned from publication or performance?

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Or does it mean that they are failing to receive that amount per year, that they otherwise would have? Yes.
Did the money go to someone else instead?
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So we're talking about a stage play or opera created in the 1890s, based on the life of a real person?

Did the actions in this play or opera occur prior to the 1890s?

Was this play or opera created by an Italian?

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The fictional work was from the 1890's, depicting a man who lived some time before that. Is that correct? No.

Was the work censored, or banned from publication or performance? No.

Did the money go to someone else instead? No.

So we're talking about a stage play or opera created in the 1890s, based on the life of a real person? No.

Did the actions in this play or opera occur prior to the 1890s? Yes.

Is it an opera? No.
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(Actually, if you want to get really pedantic, the answer to the "Has the work been censored...?" question is probably yes, but any incidents of censorship that may have occurred have no bearing on this puzzle.)
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Was the play set:
- before 1700 ?
- 1700 to 1750 ?
- 1751 to 1800 ?
- 1801 to 1825 ?
- 1826 to 1850 ?
- 1851 to 1875 ?
- 1875 to 1900 ?
- after 1900 ?
check all that apply.

Was the play written
- before the 1890's
- in the 1890's
- after the 1890's

Would the play be best described as
- Tragedy ?
- Comedy ?
- Drama ?
- Thriller/ Suspense/ Mystery ?
- Other ?

Is the play likely to be still performed today?
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Was the play set:
- before 1700 ?
- 1700 to 1750 ?
- 1751 to 1800 ?
- 1801 to 1825 ?
- 1826 to 1850 ?
- 1851 to 1875 ?
- 1875 to 1900 ?
- after 1900 ?
check all that apply. Before 1700.

Was the play written
- before the 1890's
- in the 1890's
- after the 1890's Before the 1890s.

Would the play be best described as
- Tragedy ? Not really, though it has elements of this.
- Comedy ? Ditto.
- Drama ? Yes.
- Thriller/ Suspense/ Mystery ? No.
- Other ? Yes, other terms describing genre would apply.

Is the play likely to be still performed today? Yes.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:25 AM
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Is it Shakespeare?
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Is it Shakespeare?
Yes.
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Old 11-02-2019, 01:13 PM
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If I were to ask you every single Shakespeare play title, which one would you say "yes" to when I asked "is it this one"?
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Okay, I'm pretty sure I've identified the incident in question. I've heard of this before, but I had to search for the details.

It's because a man in the 1890's thought that America should have every type of bird mentioned in Shakespeare. Starlings were mentioned in Henry IV, so he introduced a few starlings which multiplied uncontrollably, and spread throughout the continent. Today they do an estimated $800M damage every year.

I think, though that the description and some of the answers given are misleading. It wasn't the angry man that mentioned starlings, it was a different character responding to the angry man. There's also a few of his responses I disagree with.

Ok, Chronos said he has a question.
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Peter Morris has got it.

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It wasn't the angry man that mentioned starlings, it was a different character responding to the angry man.
??? Hotspur, the character who mentions starlings, is the angry man of this puzzle (and he is very definitely angry in this scene, even if other people also are!)

I am sorry if some of my other answers are misleading; I tried to make them as accurate as possible, but sometimes it was hard to know how to answer, given that he was both a historical figure and a fictional character at the same time.
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??? Hotspur, the character who mentions starlings, is the angry man of this puzzle (and he is very definitely angry in this scene, even if other people also are!)

Okay, I'm not at all familiar with the play. Or the actual history. But from the linked article:

Shakespeare wrote, a single line of script where a soldier is ordered, by the king, never to mention his brother-in-law's name again, leading the soldier to dream of buying a starling that will repeat the name over and over.


I misunderstood that as being the king is angry about his own brother in law, forbidding the mention of his name. And Hotspur's response to deliberately provoke more anger.

I see I need to brush up my Shakespeare.
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Yeah, the article isn't very clear -- Hotspur isn't just "a soldier," he's the son of a powerful nobleman. His brother-in-law, Mortimer, has been taken prisoner by the Welsh. The king (who knows that Mortimer is a potential rival claimant to the throne, and also suspects him of having deliberately sold out to the Welsh) declines to ransom him, and finally orders Hotspur to stop mentioning his name. Hotspur goes off in a towering rage and threatens to have a talking starling taught to say nothing but "Mortimer" and send it to the king.
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Just after a victory, an athlete says the name of a company. It doesn't end well for him. What happened?
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Did he say just the name of the company, without any context?
Was the company a sponsor?
Would it help if we knew what sport he played?
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Was the name of the company misinterpreted by hearers as being something else?
Does the athlete lose money as a result of what he said?
Do members of the general public become angry at him due to what he said?
Does the company name consist of one word?
Does the company name consist of two words?
Does the company name consist of more than two words?
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Did the athlete die?
Did the athlete sustain an injury ?
Was the athlete arrested?
Was the athlete disqualified?
Was the athlete sued?
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Was the athlete a native speaker of English?

Is the athlete's nationality relevant?

Is the country or location where the victory took place relevant?

Are politics involved?

Was the victory in an individual sport, like running a marathon?

A team sport?

A non-sports activity, like playing a video game?
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Old 11-03-2019, 09:41 AM
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Was it the athlete's own victory as an individual?
Was it the athlete's own victory as the member of a team?
Was the victory not the athlete's own victory?
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Sorry, forgot to get back to this thread.


Did he say just the name of the company, without any context? Yes
Was the company a sponsor? No
Would it help if we knew what sport he played? Yes

Was the name of the company misinterpreted by hearers as being something else? No
Does the athlete lose money as a result of what he said? No
Do members of the general public become angry at him due to what he said? No
Does the company name consist of one word? Yes
Does the company name consist of two words? No
Does the company name consist of more than two words? No

Did the athlete die? Yes
Did the athlete sustain an injury ? No
Was the athlete arrested? No
Was the athlete disqualified? No
Was the athlete sued? No

Was the athlete a native speaker of English? No

Is the athlete's nationality relevant? Yes

Is the country or location where the victory took place relevant? Yes

Are politics involved? Yes

Was the victory in an individual sport, like running a marathon? No

A team sport? No

A non-sports activity, like playing a video game? Yes

Was it the athlete's own victory as an individual? No
Was it the athlete's own victory as the member of a team? Yes
Was the victory not the athlete's own victory? No

Some of these, I had to give the best answer I could, but some of them, a Yes or a No either one would be a stretch.
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Was the athlete Japanese?

Was the sport playing video games?

Was the company a company we have heard of? (or are very likely to have heard of)

Did the company's name mean something different in another language?

Did the athletes death result because of this incident?

What decade was this in(I can name them all....)?

Is the company and American company?

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Was the athlete Japanese? No

Was the sport playing video games? No

Was the company a company we have heard of? (or are very likely to have heard of) Yes

Did the company's name mean something different in another language? Yes

Did the athletes death result because of this incident? Yes

What decade was this in(I can name them all....)? No

Is the company and American company? Yes
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Would the athlete's death be considered an accident?

Murder?

Suicide?

Natural causes?

Was the athlete from somewhere in the Americas?

Asia?

Africa?

Europe?

Was he in his own country when the victory took place?

Does this story take place in the present day?

Does it matter why he decided to say the name of a company?

Was the company related to the sport he played?
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Did the company's name actually mean something in his native language?
Did the company's name have a meaning that directly resulted in his death?
Did the company's name result in somebody killing him?
Is it relevant that he said the company's name following a victory?
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Was his name Pheidippides? (or possibly Philippides)
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Would the athlete's death be considered an accident? No

Murder? No

Suicide? No

Natural causes? Yes

Was the athlete from somewhere in the Americas? No

Asia? No

Africa? No

Europe? Yes

Was he in his own country when the victory took place? Yes

Does this story take place in the present day? No

Does it matter why he decided to say the name of a company? Yes

Was the company related to the sport he played? Yes


Did the company's name actually mean something in his native language? Yes
Did the company's name have a meaning that directly resulted in his death? No
Did the company's name result in somebody killing him? No
Is it relevant that he said the company's name following a victory? Yes

Was his name Pheidippides? (or possibly Philippides) Yes

Aspidistra, would you care to fill in the details for those who don't know, or shall I?
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Thank you, I will.

Pheidippides was the runner who brought news of the victory of Athens at the battle of Marathon, famously keeling over dead immediately after. "Victory" in Greek being the word "Nike", now more well-known to us in other contexts.

I'm not sure if anyone has a new one up their sleeve, but let me do a little trivial one in the meantime (I don't really know how easy this is going to be - for all I know someone may get it in two guesses.

When I entered the portaloos on a recent cycling event, something unexpected immediately told me they were made in America. What was it?
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Is there a date of manufacture listed?, (or some other date integral to the structure?)

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Was it something in writing, in or on the structure?
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When I entered the portaloos on a recent cycling event, something unexpected immediately told me they were made in America. What was it?
Was the toilet water usage listed in Gallons Per Flush?

Was it anything to do with metric vs imperial measurements or something?

Was it free instead of charging money?

Did the door not go all the way down to the floor?

Was it not labeled W.C.?


I'm just listing things I know about American bathrooms.
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Was it something about left and right being flipped from what was expected?
Does it involve regional slang?
Was it something involving smell?
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Is there a date of manufacture listed?, (or some other date integral to the structure?) NO

Was it something in writing, in or on the structure? YES

Was the toilet water usage listed in Gallons Per Flush? NO

Was it anything to do with metric vs imperial measurements or something? NO

Was it free instead of charging money? NO

Did the door not go all the way down to the floor? NO

Was it not labeled W.C.? NO (Note: I don't remember if it was or it wasn't - but that wasn't the thing)

Was it something about left and right being flipped from what was expected? NO

Does it involve regional slang? NO

Was it something involving smell? NO
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Did it involve American spelling instead of British spelling?

If so, must we guess the exact word that was spelled different?
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Did it involve American spelling instead of British spelling? NO

If so, must we guess the exact word that was spelled different? I'm not nearly that evil
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At the risk of stating the obvious:

Was "Made in America", or the equivalent, written somewhere on the port-a-potty?
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Would the writing have been part of the structure when it was manufactured?

Was it graffiti?

Does this involve differences in word usage between cultures (of the "bonnet" vs. "hood" type)?

Was the writing in English?
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It's hard to do quotes because I'm on my phone, but NO to all of the last five questions - Porpentine's and Chronos'
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Because a sign was written in both English and Spanish.
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Did they use a period for a decimal point rather than a comma?

Did they use a comma to separate thousands rather than period?
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Was it called a "Porta-Potty" rather than a "Portaloo"?
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Because a sign was written in both English and Spanish.
This is the answer. Hand-washing instructions were bilingual English/Spanish - an odd combination (and one I don't recall seeing before) in a country where Spanish is tenth (and falling) on the 'languages spoken at home' list.

I conjectured it must have come from the only major country I know of where 'English, then Spanish' is in fact the true language popularity order (then went looking for manufacturer info - I was right)

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Was he naked while desiring?
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