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Old 07-13-2018, 09:38 PM
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Today’s Final Jeopardy – July 13, 2018

A contestant correctly wrote “tree-hugger” to the final question (and would have won) but scratched it out and wrote “ Carl Sagan” instead claiming to have misread the question. Umm, WTF?

“This slang term for an environmentalist is literally true of groups that used passive resistance vs. deforestation, as in India in 1973”

How does CS make any sense?
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:10 PM
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Yeah, I saw that too. Misread seems like a massive understatement.
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:26 PM
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Thrown off by thinking about the BILLION people living in India.
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:33 PM
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How could he over think that into Carl Sagan? He must be bat-shit.
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:50 PM
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The only way this makes any sense to me is if he was deliberately losing. And maybe taking the opportunity to give a shout-out to Carl Sagan, of whom he was a fan?
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Maybe he mis-read it to think it referred to a specific individual, rather than a term for environmentalists in general. If you're trying to think of a scientist with a global, forward-thinking, environmental perspective, and would have been active in the mid-'70s, Sagan is in the ballpark.
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Turns out there was a typo on the screen the contestants were looking at. It was supposed to say “This slang term...” but instead it said “His slang term...” so he thought they were looking for a person.

Because of the error, they’re going to let him come back.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html
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Huh! That's odd. If there was a typo, I certainly didn't notice it. Nor did it stop me from immediately coming up with the correct response.
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Huh! That's odd. If there was a typo, I certainly didn't notice it. Nor did it stop me from immediately coming up with the correct response.
They may have corrected the text for the broadcast.
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They may have corrected the text for the broadcast.
Wouldn't you consider that unethical and dishonest? The public won't see what the contestants saw.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:58 AM
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Wouldn't you consider that unethical and dishonest? The public won't see what the contestants saw.
Not really. During the commercial breaks, Alex frequently re-records clues if he stumbled over the wording, and then they just dub that in over the vocal of his original reading. The public never hears Alex's original clue-reading, but there's nothing unethical about that. It just makes the show run more smoothly.

When I was a contestant, one of the things they told us in the pre-show briefing was, "If there's a discrepancy between the text of the clue as it appears on the monitor, and the way that Alex reads it, go with what Alex says. There may have been a last minute change in the wording." In such cases, they re-edit the onscreen text when the show is finally broadcast. That's what I imagine happened here.

In those cases, like this one, where such errors actually affect the outcome of the game, they usually attempt to remedy this by inviting the contestant back.
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Turns out there was a typo on the screen the contestants were looking at. It was supposed to say “This slang term...” but instead it said “His slang term...” so he thought they were looking for a person.

Because of the error, they’re going to let him come back.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html
And indeed they did... tonight!
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Where he got the right answer in Final Jeopardy
SPOILER:
Pygmalion
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I wonder what would have happened if someone had written "My Fair Lady" instead of "Pygmalion." I assume the quote was very specific to the latter in order to avoid ambiguity, but it still would have been an easy mistake to make.
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I wonder what would have happened if someone had written "My Fair Lady" instead of "Pygmalion." I assume the quote was very specific to the latter in order to avoid ambiguity, but it still would have been an easy mistake to make.
The category was "20th Century Plays," and the answer was:

"From its preface: 'It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate…him'"

So, while "My Fair Lady" is technically a musical, not a play, I do wonder, too.

Source: https://fikklefame.com/final-jeopardy-9-25-18/
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Huh! That's odd. If there was a typo, I certainly didn't notice it. Nor did it stop me from immediately coming up with the correct response.
I believe Alex said the typo was just on that one contestant's screen.
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The category was "20th Century Plays," and the answer was:

"From its preface: 'It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate…him'"

So, while "My Fair Lady" is technically a musical, not a play, I do wonder, too.

Source: https://fikklefame.com/final-jeopardy-9-25-18/
A Broadway musical isn't a play?

Anyway, the line from "Why Can't the English?" is

An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
The moment he talks, he makes some other Englishman despise him!
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Thanks for that link, BTW.

FWIW, I thought all three DJ questions tonight were easy. I was surprised Vincent got two of them wrong.
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A Broadway musical isn't a play?
Musicals are, admittedly, a subset of plays.

OTOH, the Tony Awards are specifically delineated as for "Plays", or for "Musicals."
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"My Fair Lady" is a play, but the quote in the clue is from the preface to "Pygmalion", so "My Fair Lady" would have been wrong.
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"My Fair Lady" is a play, but the quote in the clue is from the preface to "Pygmalion", so "My Fair Lady" would have been wrong.
Yes, I figured that. But the quote and the song lyrics are close enough for them to be easily confused.

I have a copy of Pygmalion, so I knew where the quote was from, but I doubt most people would right offhand.
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I believe Alex said the typo was just on that one contestant's screen.
Or, as suggested above, it was corrected when that episode was edited for broadcast. Either way, I was surprised when they revealed the mistake, since I hadn't noticed anything.
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Yes, I figured that. But the quote and the song lyrics are close enough for them to be easily confused.

I have a copy of Pygmalion, so I knew where the quote was from, but I doubt most people would right offhand.
I think it's more likely they would recognize the lyrics from the movie, rather than a quote from the play's preface.
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Yes, I figured that. But the quote and the song lyrics are close enough for them to be easily confused.

I have a copy of Pygmalion, so I knew where the quote was from, but I doubt most people would right offhand.
No, but many (probably most) Final Jeopardy questions do not demand that you know offhand, but enable you to put the pieces together, from general knowledge. If you know something about Shaw (granted, many people don't, but then it wouldn't do for everybody to be right every time), you know that he liked to write lengthy prefaces to his plays, and that is unusual. Few, though, who didn't have to act in "My Fair Lady" are likely to have read it as a play.
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No, but many (probably most) Final Jeopardy questions do not demand that you know offhand, but enable you to put the pieces together, from general knowledge. If you know something about Shaw (granted, many people don't, but then it wouldn't do for everybody to be right every time), you know that he liked to write lengthy prefaces to his plays, and that is unusual. Few, though, who didn't have to act in "My Fair Lady" are likely to have read it as a play.
I didn't know that about Shaw, but I did remember the lyric that terentii quoted from My Fair Lady. Figuring that Professor Higgins was probably a similar character in the play and the musical, and that Alan Jay Lerner may have taken some lyrical inspiration from the play's preface, I guessed Pygmalion. I wasn't certain until one of the contestants got it right.
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No, but many (probably most) Final Jeopardy questions do not demand that you know offhand, but enable you to put the pieces together, from general knowledge. If you know something about Shaw (granted, many people don't, but then it wouldn't do for everybody to be right every time), you know that he liked to write lengthy prefaces to his plays, and that is unusual.
Absolutely correct. The key words "From its preface" both provide a major clue and remove any possible ambiguity.
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There was never any question in my mind that they meant "Pygmalion" and not "My Fair Lady."

Of course, I knew the quote they used, so there wasn't much deduction involved.
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Absolutely correct. The key words "From its preface" both provide a major clue and remove any possible ambiguity.
How do you know the text of the musical doesn't have a preface?
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How do you know the text of the musical doesn't have a preface?
Musicals don't have prefaces; they have overtures.
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Musicals don't have prefaces; they have overtures.
Overtures, curtains, and lights!
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