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Old 02-04-2020, 11:46 AM
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- Dems paid company literally called Shadow to create caucus app
- Buttigieg campaign also paid Shadow, FEC records show
- Caucus app fails
- Buttigieg declares himself Iowa winner with no results
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Yup. If he isn't the nominee, I'll stay home and play here
Fuck you. Fuck your bros. Fuck your cult leader, Bernie. Stay home and play with yourselves. Nobody else will.

I have no use or patience for childish fucking cunts like you.
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Seconded. I will be deeply disappointed if either Biden or Bernie wins the nomination, and it seems likely that one of them will. But I will damned sure vote for the Dem nominee, no matter who s/he is.

Anyone who thinks it's anything less than dangerously risky to our democracy to leave Trump in power until January 2025 - fuck 'em, preferably with rusty farm implements.
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Old 02-04-2020, 12:43 PM
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It doesn't matter whether Biden or Bloomberg or Bernie gets the nomination. ANY of them are better than Little Donny Fail-Fail.

No Matter Who, VOTE BLUE!
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It doesn't matter whether Biden or Bloomberg or Bernie gets the nomination. ANY of them are better than Little Donny Fail-Fail.

No Matter Who, VOTE BLUE!
Not BernieSandersFan. Unless it's Bernie, the petulant fucking cunt is going to stay home and hold his breath until he TURNS BLUE.
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Obvious Russian troll is obvious. Ignore and move on.
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Obvious Russian troll is obvious. Ignore and move on.
You think so? This seems like the least productive place for a russian troll's time and effort. Nah. I think Morty is True Bernieber. With an IQ low enough not to know better.
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You think so? This seems like the least productive place for a russian troll's time and effort. Nah. I think Morty is True Bernieber. With an IQ low enough not to know better.
Russian trolls are everywhere.
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It doesn't matter whether Biden or Bloomberg or Bernie gets the nomination. ANY of them are better than Little Donny Fail-Fail.

No Matter Who, VOTE BLUE!
Oh God yes.

Or as a bumper sticker I saw put it "ANY RESPONSIBLE ADULT 2020".
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Playing Devil’s advocate, why should a Sanders supporter vote for Joe Biden?
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You think so? This seems like the least productive place for a russian troll's time and effort. Nah. I think Morty is True Bernieber. With an IQ low enough not to know better.
Meh. Quacks like a duck, etc. A detailed taxonomy of trollish behaviors isn't a useful enterprise.
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I prefer Bernie of the major contenders, but I'll vote for a rancid bowl of noodles over Trump.

Besides, lets say Warren somehow gets the nom, she is pretty close to Sanders positions so why would staying home make sense in that case? I kind of get not wanting to vote for Biden, but again Biden or Trump, got to vote for Biden. He is better than rancid bowl of noodles.

Wang's another populist progressive, should be an easy vote switch if you're a Bernie supporter. Buttigieg is much more centrist but much better than a rancid bowl of noodles.

Bloomberg, very green, overall centrist, I would happily vote for him over Trump.

Amy Klobuchar > rancid bowl of noodles > Trump

If I missed anyone, I'm sure the equation still works.
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Playing Devilís advocate, why should a Sanders supporter vote for Joe Biden?
In the primary? Vote for whomever you please.

In the election? Vote for the Democratic candidate unless you want another 4 years of Idiocy and Corruption, Inc.

At this point, vote a straight ticket since one of the things we really, really need is to have someone other than Republicans in charge of redistricting after the census.
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Meh. Quacks like a duck, etc. A detailed taxonomy of trollish behaviors isn't a useful enterprise.
Well, I'm not looking for an argument about it. I just think, in contrast to their arguable success, the actual number of Russian Trolls on the interwebs have been greatly exaggerated. Their numbers pale in comparison to useful idiots, like Morty.
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As a strong Bernie supporter, I endorse this Pitting, except for the part that implies this idiotic attitude is typical for us.
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Obvious Russian troll is obvious. Ignore and move on.
You really think a Russian troll would spend his time here opening (literally) a hundred threads on movies and TV? The knee jerk accusation that anyone with an opposing political view must be a Russian troll is both idiotic and misses the real issue.
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As a strong Bernie supporter, I endorse this Pitting, except for the part that implies this idiotic attitude is typical for us.
I'm progressive, socialism inclined. I don't hate Bernie. I don't want to be lectured at scolded by him for the next 4-8 years, but I would vote for the guy if he was the nominee, without hesitation.

What's "typical" is the kind of brain dead, cult like fealty some BernieBros express: 'Bernie or I stay home and continue to wank off alone!'. As if they'll suddenly get a life and tolerable personality if Bernie becomes POTUS. I mean, maybe. Is that what his campaign has been promising them for a $25 donation?
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Playing Devilís advocate, why should a Sanders supporter vote for Joe Biden?
In the general election? Because whatever Biden's faults may be, they are pretty conventional faults. He will not turn us into a banana republic where the Top Banana uses the powers of government to enrich his family and friends, and bring the hammer down on his personal and political enemies.

This is what Trump is doing - he has already gutted the highest levels of government of anyone who would simply execute and enforce the laws, and has replaced them all with his toadies. He has done most of this just in the past year, since he felt somewhat constrained by the threat of the Mueller investigation until then. Once he replaced Sessions with Barr, and then when the Dems yawned at the Mueller report, he felt he was home free.

He will feel that way even more after the GOP votes to acquit him of the impeachment charges (their current line: yes, he did it, but so what?), and he will feel totally unfettered after being re-elected, and at that point there will be no power in the 'verse to bring him down.
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You really think a Russian troll would spend his time here opening (literally) a hundred threads on movies and TV? The knee jerk accusation that anyone with an opposing political view must be a Russian troll is both idiotic and misses the real issue.
This poster chooses to post their views in the most contentious way possible. Anyone who does that is a troll. It's not worthwhile finely dissecting exactly what kind of worthless poster they are. Are they really a citizen of the Russia whose purpose is to spread propaganda or are they a true believer who just happens to spread propaganda that benefits anti-American powers? I don't care; I /ignore them and move on.

There are posters who I strongly disagree with that I don't ignore, because they are trying to communicate, not aggravate. Maybe mine assessment of a particular poster is wrong, but I don't feel my time is well spent trying to pluck wisdom from jerkish posts.
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I prefer Bernie of the major contenders, but I'll vote for a rancid bowl of noodles over Trump.

Besides, lets say Warren somehow gets the nom, she is pretty close to Sanders positions so why would staying home make sense in that case? I kind of get not wanting to vote for Biden, but again Biden or Trump, got to vote for Biden. He is better than rancid bowl of noodles.

Wang's another populist progressive, should be an easy vote switch if you're a Bernie supporter. Buttigieg is much more centrist but much better than a rancid bowl of noodles.

Bloomberg, very green, overall centrist, I would happily vote for him over Trump.

Amy Klobuchar > rancid bowl of noodles > Trump

If I missed anyone, I'm sure the equation still works.
But what if Dems nominate TWO rancid bowls of noodles? How does your equation work then, tough guy?
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But what if Dems nominate TWO rancid bowls of noodles? How does your equation work then, tough guy?
Two, two Rancid Bowls of Noodles still > Trump.
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This poster chooses to post their views in the most contentious way possible. Anyone who does that is a troll.
Such as calling someone else a Russian troll?

That post was not "posting in the most contentious way possible." By implying that no one could possibly hold such an opinion honestly you minimize the problem.

I just find flinging out the term "Russian troll" when it's obviously not true to be tiresome, lazy, and stupid.
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Such as calling someone else a Russian troll?

That post was not "posting in the most contentious way possible." By implying that no one could possibly hold such an opinion honestly you minimize the problem.

I just find flinging out the term "Russian troll" when it's obviously not true to be tiresome, lazy, and stupid.
You are inferring that which I do not imply.
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I just find flinging out the term "Russian troll" when it's obviously not true to be tiresome, lazy, and stupid.
Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say.
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You are inferring that which I do not imply.
Of course you didn't imply it. You said it clearly, explicitly, and unambiguously.

You realize we can actually read your previous posts, don't you?

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That post was not "posting in the most contentious way possible." By implying that no one could possibly hold such an opinion honestly you minimize the problem.
To be clear, I in no way support or condone MortSahlFan's position, and agree it's extremely stupid. But expressing a stupid opinion isn't trolling.

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Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say.
Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say!

It's Russian trolls all the way down.
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By implying that no one could possibly hold such an opinion honestly you minimize the problem.
I do not believe your inference here and I did not imply it. I do not call someone a troll for their opinions, but for their persistently posting in a way I believe does not shows interest in discussion.

I encourage others to not waste their own time with jerkish posters, but if you feel engagement has benefits, then do so.
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Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say!

It's Russian trolls all the way down.
See, they are everywhere!

Iím probably one too but thanks to fake news I may have been tricked into believing Iím not.
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I encourage others to not waste their own time with jerkish posters, but if you feel engagement has benefits, then do so.
There is no chance that MortSahlFan is going to engage in a pit thread dedicated to his being a twat because he knows his position is indefensible. But I feel better having called him out for being a twat, because that what he is. What is he?? He's a twat. That's right: He lives in a twatty house, drives a twatty car and reasons like a twat.
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Well, sure. Everything looks bad if you remember it!
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I do not believe your inference here and I did not imply it. I do not call someone a troll for their opinions, but for their persistently posting in a way I believe does not shows interest in discussion.

I encourage others to not waste their own time with jerkish posters, but if you feel engagement has benefits, then do so.
Colibri's contention appears to be about the word "Russian." A Russian troll is someone from Russia who is pretending to be an American and spouting beliefs they do not have in an attempt to stir up animosity in the US for Russian interests. They are a part of Russian cyberwarfare.

MortSahlFan may be a troll in the sense he isn't interested in discussion or is stirring up the pot. (I don't know, as I haven't read his contributions beyond his fanning out over Mort Sahl.) But nothing about that suggests he's a "Russian troll." That's a completely different thing.

So, to avoid confusion, it might be better to just use "troll" and not "Russian troll" as the generic form.

Apologies if doing the whole "mediator" thing is annoying. It just bugs me when I see people talking past each other.
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The best way to determine that a troll isn’t Russian, is to figure out that they are taking their time while posting.
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I do not believe your inference here and I did not imply it. I do not call someone a troll for their opinions, but for their persistently posting in a way I believe does not shows interest in discussion.
Then your use of the term "Russian troll" was, as I said, tiresome, lazy, and stupid. If you just meant they were a troll, you could have said so, and I wouldn't have objected. By using the term "Russian troll," you are making a specific accusation that the poster is Russian or paid by Russia to post things he doesn't believe. That's obviously nonsense in this case. If you want to be taken seriously, you should avoid this kind of silliness.

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Of course, I never said anything of the kind.

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Playing Devilís advocate, why should a Sanders supporter vote for Joe Biden?
If you're asking about the Primary, I don't think a Sanders supporter should. If you're asking about the General, then your's is the dumbest fucking question I've seen all... day. Let's go with day on that one.
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Gotta disagree with a few folks above. I don’t think the subject of the OP is not actually BernieSandersFan.

I think he is in truth DonaldTrumpFan.
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Mort Sahl fan is not a Russian troll.

Once again, with feeling, The Russians do not give one single solitary shit about the SDMB, if they are even aware of it.

Also MSF spends most of his time talking about art films and Jim Morrison.

He's a tiresome pretentious twat with a vastly over-inflated sense of his taste and intelligence. He gets pissy about the stupidest things. He's exactly the kind of person who will pout and sulk if his favorite candidate doesn't get the nom. But he's not a Russian troll. He's just another weirdo on the internet.
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I'm one of the more vocal believers in the possibility of Russian trolling here, but I agree that this poster, even though more trollish than the average Doper, spends far too much time on off-point topics to be a paid shill. And I don't recall any telltale grammatical slipups but I might just not have seen something.
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Honestly, I don't get a troll vibe off him at all. I think he's just a weirdo.
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Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say!

It's Russian trolls all the way down.
They STACK?

I would have thought theyíd nest.
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Recursive trolls.
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