Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #201  
Old 01-21-2018, 11:56 AM
k9bfriender k9bfriender is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,505
Quote:
Originally Posted by eschereal View Post
Well, you could just turn it off.
yaeh, I teried taht onec. It ddint' wrok uot wel.
  #202  
Old 01-21-2018, 12:07 PM
running coach's Avatar
running coach running coach is online now
Arms of Steel, Leg of Jello
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Riding my handcycle
Posts: 35,626
Quote:
Originally Posted by k9bfriender View Post
yaeh, I teried taht onec. It ddint' wrok uot wel.
Yes, it did. "I" and "It" are both spelled all proper-like.
  #203  
Old 01-21-2018, 01:49 PM
John Mace's Avatar
John Mace John Mace is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: South Bay
Posts: 85,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by eschereal View Post
Well, you could just turn it off.
I'm sorry eschereal, I'm afraid I can't do that.
  #204  
Old 02-22-2018, 06:43 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo Snowboarder Bo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 24,316
How NOT to troll the Straight Dope

  #205  
Old 02-22-2018, 08:24 PM
andros andros is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Dejagore
Posts: 10,239
Stop being a crusty old marine, Bo.
  #206  
Old 02-22-2018, 08:38 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo Snowboarder Bo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 24,316
Hey HEY hey... who are you calling a marine?

Wait; that is what HD thinks is the scandalous thing, right? The "marine" label?
  #207  
Old 02-22-2018, 10:03 PM
andros andros is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Dejagore
Posts: 10,239
I'm pretty sure it's the "uppity woman of the wrong party" part.
  #208  
Old 02-22-2018, 10:12 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo Snowboarder Bo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 24,316
I doubt his little brain gets that far in justifying himself.

Anyway, turns out he's a liar.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...&postcount=308
  #209  
Old 02-24-2018, 12:44 PM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Lest you think H-D is worth engaging, I urge you to reconsider -

In response to this post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasg View Post
An excerpt from a recent Facebook post from the father of a student at MSD High School...
Quote:
If reading another long well written blog post is not your thing, here is a short quiz you can use to determine if you are a gun fetishist and a sociopath:

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, do you rush to the Internet to defend the rights of the weapon?

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, is your first thought that you hope there will be evidence of mental illness? (credit given if its your second thought with your first thought being please let is be a Muslim)

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, do you run out to buy more military weapons?

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, are you pre-armed with poorly sourced, easily debunked alternative facts in defense of your arsenal?

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, do you spend time correcting the terminology people use in describing the weapon?

When someone kills a large number of children using a military weapon, do you like to bring up how the long dead founding fathers support your views? (Do you object to a standing army as strenuously as they would? Can you name any of them?)

If you answered yes to one or more of these questions, I would highly recommend you do some serious soul searching. But who are we kidding, you are not capable of that. You would have to have one to be able to search it.
https://www.facebook.com/eric.ronkin...73776982643808 (public link, no account or login required)
H-D responded with this post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka View Post
My responses:

No, but I do defend my right to keep and bear arms pretty much always.

No, but I do see it come up in the discussions afterwards often enough to notice some correlation.

No, but I do make purchases fairly steadily and regularly. If anything, I delay after a shooting spree (and the ensuing gun control debate) because I know that demand, and thus prices, often spike.

No, but I do certainly notice that the RKBA advocates are generally more knowledgeable and factual on the subject than the gun control advocates.

Sometimes, if their mistakes are serious enough to affect the discussion in some significant way, and very occasionally just to poke a little fun at the other side's ignorance, if I'm in a particularly foul mood. Oftentimes I try to educate.

Not particularly, as I think there are generally better arguments to be made, but it's probably come up a few times. And yes, I can name quite a few of them.

You acknowledged that the first paragraph was hyperbole, but the last paragraph was just shitty too. Fuck that guy, having his kid being in a school shooting couldn't have happened to a more deserving asshole.
*bolding mine*
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.
  #210  
Old 02-24-2018, 01:36 PM
GIGObuster's Avatar
GIGObuster GIGObuster is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Arizona
Posts: 28,073
HurracaineDitka is also falling for the Lysenko-ism of the Republicans and the NRA.

There is no other way to describe it, he does believe that is one finds statements from the scientists that show bias or flaws in a report that then it is justified to stop all research on guns. One should wonder who elected the NRA to dictate what should be researched or not.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...nap-story.html

No, numbnuts, what was needed was to remove the researchers that showed bias band then continue funding research. Otherwise it is Lysenkoism, plain and simple.
  #211  
Old 02-24-2018, 01:43 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo Snowboarder Bo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 24,316
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
Lest you think H-D is worth engaging, I urge you to reconsider -

In response to this post:


H-D responded with this post:



*bolding mine*


'Reprehensible' doesn't even begin to cover that.
  #212  
Old 02-24-2018, 02:49 PM
raventhief's Avatar
raventhief raventhief is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,527
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
Lest you think H-D is worth engaging, I urge you to reconsider -

In response to this post:


H-D responded with this post:



*bolding mine*
Just in case anyone thought he might actually have a soul.
  #213  
Old 02-24-2018, 03:13 PM
iiandyiiii's Avatar
iiandyiiii iiandyiiii is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 31,613
He also sympathizes with the OK City bomber, IIRC. He's not worth engaging IMO; wish I had recognized this earlier than I did.
  #214  
Old 02-24-2018, 03:20 PM
crowmanyclouds's Avatar
crowmanyclouds crowmanyclouds is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: ... hiding in my room ...
Posts: 4,447
Remember kids, HurracaineDitka would be seen as the voice of reasonable and responsible gun owners!

CMC fnord!

Last edited by crowmanyclouds; 02-24-2018 at 03:20 PM.
  #215  
Old 02-24-2018, 03:31 PM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Incredible. Fucking guy has the nerve to claim he's engaging in "civilized" dialogue.

I'd ask him what he believes his god will do with his "soul" when H-D is done with it. But they both can get bent if I give a damn.
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.
  #216  
Old 02-24-2018, 03:37 PM
cochrane cochrane is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: The Nekkid Pueblo
Posts: 20,943
HD said anyone who has a problem with him should take it to the Pit. Then when Revenant Threshold pointed out:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Revenant Threshold
I quickly checked, and it doesn't look like you've ever posted in the Pit thread about you. It doesn't seem like a good place to discuss things with you.
Ditka replied:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka
You are correct. I try to not post in the Pit at all. If you want to "discuss things" with me, we can do it here, and be part of the civilized world
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...0&postcount=60

What a hypocritical douchebag.
  #217  
Old 02-24-2018, 03:37 PM
andros andros is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Dejagore
Posts: 10,239
Whoops, I owe you an apology, HD. You're absolutely correct, and through inattention I misrepresented you. I'm sorry about that.
.
  #218  
Old 02-24-2018, 05:23 PM
bobot's Avatar
bobot bobot is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago-ish
Posts: 6,807
Quote:
Originally Posted by andros View Post
Whoops, I owe you an apology, HD. You're absolutely correct, and through inattention I misrepresented you. I'm sorry about that.
.
?
I've been wooshed, no?

Last edited by bobot; 02-24-2018 at 05:24 PM.
  #219  
Old 02-24-2018, 05:35 PM
andros andros is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Dejagore
Posts: 10,239
Nah, sorry. Should have quoted the GD post I was replying to.
  #220  
Old 02-24-2018, 05:47 PM
k9bfriender k9bfriender is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,505
Quote:
Originally Posted by andros View Post
Nah, sorry. Should have quoted the GD post I was replying to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HuricaneDikta
But the father, yeah, fuck that guy with a rusty spoon. We crossed the line where I felt it was appropriate somewhere between him saying I'm a sociopath and him saying I don't have a soul.
And, as HD calls out this father who had a child in a school shooting, saying that the father deserved to have his daughter in the school shooting for having the audacity to have an emotional reaction afterward, he proves the father right.

Last edited by k9bfriender; 02-24-2018 at 05:48 PM. Reason: properly attributing quotes
  #221  
Old 02-24-2018, 06:30 PM
Guinastasia's Avatar
Guinastasia Guinastasia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 52,002
How the hell did he NOT get a warning for that?
__________________
It’s not you, it’s your sports team.
  #222  
Old 02-24-2018, 06:57 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo Snowboarder Bo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 24,316
Quote:
Originally Posted by k9bfriender View Post
And, as HD calls out this father who had a child in a school shooting, saying that the father deserved to have his daughter in the school shooting for having the audacity to have an emotional reaction afterward, he proves the father right.
And HD takes the commentary personally even tho it isn't and then DOES personally target the father, using the child as a pawn.

Last edited by Snowboarder Bo; 02-24-2018 at 06:58 PM.
  #223  
Old 02-24-2018, 09:02 PM
Sunny Daze's Avatar
Sunny Daze Sunny Daze is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Bay Area Urban Sprawl
Posts: 11,306
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinastasia View Post
How the hell did he NOT get a warning for that?
Did anyone report it? I dropped after that thread pretty fast, given that troll boy started it. Looks like some people stayed in it.
  #224  
Old 02-25-2018, 08:37 AM
Revenant Threshold Revenant Threshold is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: London, UK
Posts: 12,094
I didn't report it; I thought generally statements that so-and-so deserved to be harmed or killed were a-ok in the rules so long as the target wasn't a board member.
  #225  
Old 02-25-2018, 11:05 AM
Ann Hedonia's Avatar
Ann Hedonia Ann Hedonia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,881
The oh so polite and reasoned Hurricane Shitka has decided to tie his argument for arming teachers to the fact that Utah allows teachers to carry weapons in school and they have never had a school shooting fatality.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...=849352&page=9

So his solution is that all the other states should follow Utah’s model. But I fact checked the asshole. He’s right about Utah. But he neglected to mention that almost half other states have never had a school shooting fatality, excepting suicides. And one of the suicides happened in Utah.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...&postcount=440

And when you go through the list of fatalities and eliminate single fatality “grudge” shootings, shootings between adult faculty, after hours parking lot incidents and things like the time a 6 year old accidently shot and killed a classmate - the list goes up to MOST of the states. Most states have never had a multiple fatality shooting incident inside the building during school hours.

But this butthole wanks on and on and on about how Utah is doing it right and we all must imitate Utah. If Utah really did have an exemplary record, it might be because most of the states population in is thrall to a cult religion that encourages incest and inbreeding and therefore their entire population is too inbred and retarded to shoot straight. Its easier to back up than his theory.
  #226  
Old 02-25-2018, 11:27 AM
iiandyiiii's Avatar
iiandyiiii iiandyiiii is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 31,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann Hedonia View Post
The oh so polite and reasoned Hurricane Shitka has decided to tie his argument for arming teachers to the fact that Utah allows teachers to carry weapons in school and they have never had a school shooting fatality.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...=849352&page=9

So his solution is that all the other states should follow Utah’s model. But I fact checked the asshole. He’s right about Utah. But he neglected to mention that almost half other states have never had a school shooting fatality, excepting suicides. And one of the suicides happened in Utah.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...&postcount=440

And when you go through the list of fatalities and eliminate single fatality “grudge” shootings, shootings between adult faculty, after hours parking lot incidents and things like the time a 6 year old accidently shot and killed a classmate - the list goes up to MOST of the states. Most states have never had a multiple fatality shooting incident inside the building during school hours.

But this butthole wanks on and on and on about how Utah is doing it right and we all must imitate Utah. If Utah really did have an exemplary record, it might be because most of the states population in is thrall to a cult religion that encourages incest and inbreeding and therefore their entire population is too inbred and retarded to shoot straight. Its easier to back up than his theory.
That was a great refutation. But I doubt you'll see anything more than a trite acknowledgement, since it's clear to me he doesn't really honestly debate, he just looks for opportunities to nitpick.
  #227  
Old 02-25-2018, 11:43 AM
septimus's Avatar
septimus septimus is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Land of Smiles
Posts: 17,844
Utah is full of right-wing people who think like Hurricane. "Despicable right-wingers Good; Libtards Bad." For Hurricane the "thinking" gets no deeper than that.

I tried to engage him respectfully, thinking he might be sincere and sentient. But he is not. If he is sincere, then he is very very stupid. If he's of average intelligence or better, then he's some sort of troll, thinking that the kleptocrats will give him some bread crumbs as reward if he pushes their filthy politics.

I don't know why Dopers bother with him. Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter are paid to offer up despicable opinions and offer much better recreational-outrage per minute-wasted ratios than HurricaneDitka could ever aspire to.
  #228  
Old 02-25-2018, 11:57 AM
Guinastasia's Avatar
Guinastasia Guinastasia is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 52,002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny Daze View Post
Did anyone report it? I dropped after that thread pretty fast, given that troll boy started it. Looks like some people stayed in it.
I did. Not to mention the thread was closed, so Jonathan Chance most likely noticed it.
__________________
It’s not you, it’s your sports team.

Last edited by Guinastasia; 02-25-2018 at 11:58 AM.
  #229  
Old 02-25-2018, 12:49 PM
The Tooth The Tooth is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 4,365
He supports Nazis for money. He supports torture for money. Ditka's an evil sonofabitch, make no mistake.
__________________
"It would never occur to me to wear pink, just as it would never occur to Michael Douglas to play a poor person." - Sarah Vowell
  #230  
Old 02-25-2018, 04:54 PM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Presumptuous fucker. Thinks he speaks for 'us'.
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.
  #231  
Old 03-12-2018, 05:51 AM
RTFirefly RTFirefly is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Maryland
Posts: 37,341
Resurrecting this thread on account of this OP:
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka View Post
The February jobs report was very good, showing the economy added 313,000 jobs. This is the sort of news that I'm sure is met with delight in the White House (and I suspect with dismay by more than a few Dopers).
Just because conservatism has turned into 'screw the liberals and Dems, even if it screws America too' doesn't mean we're your fucking mirror image, HD.

We're quite the reverse of you. We know that Obamacare basically screwed us politically in 2010, 2014, and 2016. And you know what? It was worth it, because it made America better, it meant that tens of millions of people could get insured, and tens of millions more didn't have to worry about their health insurance being rendered meaningless by a 'pre-existing condition.'

So take that fucking attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine. For us on the left, it's not about whether we win or lose, it's about whether the people of this nation and the world win or lose.
  #232  
Old 03-12-2018, 02:17 PM
iiandyiiii's Avatar
iiandyiiii iiandyiiii is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 31,613
With just about every post, it's more and more clear to me that HurricaneDitka values pissing off liberals much more than normal human decency, like not carrying water for someone who bragged about violating the consent of teenage girls. I got a mod note for snark suggesting the same in his latest Elections thread, so I'll confine my criticism to this one.
  #233  
Old 03-12-2018, 04:00 PM
bobot's Avatar
bobot bobot is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago-ish
Posts: 6,807
It was clear from the start with that guy. That's why he posts provocative, wrong shit only in forums where he can't be called a douchebag. (And if you come too close, you'll be noted or warned, as you have seen.)
  #234  
Old 03-12-2018, 04:06 PM
Skywatcher's Avatar
Skywatcher Skywatcher is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Somewhere in the Potomac
Posts: 33,612
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobot View Post
It was clear from the start with that guy. That's why he posts provocative, wrong shit only in forums where he can't be called a douchebag. (And if you come too close, you'll be noted or warned, as you have seen.)
And where have we seen that behavior before?
  #235  
Old 03-13-2018, 06:59 AM
bobot's Avatar
bobot bobot is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Chicago-ish
Posts: 6,807
It took me WAY too long to realize there was a link in your post!
  #236  
Old 03-13-2018, 09:09 AM
BobLibDem BobLibDem is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Home 07 NCAA HockeyChamps
Posts: 20,712
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobot View Post
It was clear from the start with that guy. That's why he posts provocative, wrong shit only in forums where he can't be called a douchebag. (And if you come too close, you'll be noted or warned, as you have seen.)
He does seem to have a mod particularly protective of him.
  #237  
Old 03-13-2018, 11:24 AM
Vinyl Turnip Vinyl Turnip is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 19,791
Engaging with someone who presents, at best, a facsimile or someone arguing in good faith is not my idea of a fun time, but I also don't understand why people indulge the "woe is me" and "o hai guys what should I do" trolls, or voluntarily go swimming in icy water, or eat Tide pods, or pursue any number of other unpleasant and/or pointless activities.
  #238  
Old 03-13-2018, 11:30 AM
Morgenstern Morgenstern is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 11,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobot View Post
It was clear from the start with that guy. That's why he posts provocative, wrong shit only in forums where he can't be called a douchebag. (And if you come too close, you'll be noted or warned, as you have seen.)
One mod over there is too aggressive for his own good. One mod out of a mod team still doesn't spoil the brew though.
  #239  
Old 03-13-2018, 12:20 PM
ElvisL1ves ElvisL1ves is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 47,983
Yeah, it does appear HD gets the same affirmative action that Shodan gets. Not clear why anyone would think that raises the tone here.
  #240  
Old 03-16-2018, 11:08 AM
Czarcasm's Avatar
Czarcasm Czarcasm is offline
Charter Member
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 58,455
Will no one stand up for those poor Russian saboteurs?
  #241  
Old 03-16-2018, 12:38 PM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Quote:
Originally Posted by Czarcasm View Post
Relax everybody and don't believe anything you read until you smell the vodka on their breath.
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.
  #242  
Old 03-17-2018, 01:40 AM
septimus's Avatar
septimus septimus is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Land of Smiles
Posts: 17,844
I've been reading the "FBI announces ongoing Russian attacks against American electric grid, water processing, air" thread, where Hurricane is making a fool of himself.

He obviously knows nothing about power plants, nothing about the electric grid and nothing about computer security, yet has a fervent opinion that, I suppose, the deep-state Clintonists in the FBI are exaggerating the threat from Russia. (Is this because, with traditional allies turning to socialism and rejecting Trump, it is Russia which has become America's new kindred spirit?) Switch things so that Obama had been dragging his feet one can be sure Hurricane would take the opposite of his present stance in the debate.

I think Hurricane is neither a troll nor is he clinically stupid. If we met him in real life and discussed something non-political he might seem good-spirited and intelligent. But some of his "brain wiring" — a sequence of trained Pavlovian reflexes — leads him to defend Trump and right-wingism reflexively. His subconscious directs his conscious opinions and he doesn't even know it.

I met a guy like this, a retired Navy CPO (who, by coincidence, actually did specialize in nuclear power plants). Soft-spoken, good-spirited, and intelligent. Once that CPO made a typical right-wing complaint about some "abuse" he had suffered from a government bureaucrat. I've suffered government abuse myself, but his example was faulty; I pointed out that his complaint focused on a policy that was clearly necessary; that bureaucrat was doing his job correctly and the valid complaint would be if he had acted differently! The CPO grinned and nodded his head. But I'm sure the Pavlovian synapses remained intact.

TL;DR: Hurricane is NOT a Russian troll. He deserves our pity, not our contempt.
  #243  
Old 03-17-2018, 02:12 AM
The Tooth The Tooth is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 4,365
He may well deserve pity, but rare is the occasion when life is fair so contempt it is.
__________________
"It would never occur to me to wear pink, just as it would never occur to Michael Douglas to play a poor person." - Sarah Vowell
  #244  
Old 03-17-2018, 08:38 AM
Morgenstern Morgenstern is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 11,866
Quote:
Originally Posted by septimus View Post
I've been reading the "FBI announces ongoing Russian attacks against American electric grid, water processing, air" thread, where Hurricane is making a fool of himself.

He obviously knows nothing about power plants, nothing about the electric grid and nothing about computer security, yet has a fervent opinion that, I suppose, the deep-state Clintonists in the FBI are exaggerating the threat from Russia. (Is this because, with traditional allies turning to socialism and rejecting Trump, it is Russia which has become America's new kindred spirit?) Switch things so that Obama had been dragging his feet one can be sure Hurricane would take the opposite of his present stance in the debate.

I think Hurricane is neither a troll nor is he clinically stupid. If we met him in real life and discussed something non-political he might seem good-spirited and intelligent. But some of his "brain wiring" — a sequence of trained Pavlovian reflexes — leads him to defend Trump and right-wingism reflexively. His subconscious directs his conscious opinions and he doesn't even know it.

...

TL;DR: Hurricane is NOT a Russian troll. He deserves our pity, not our contempt.
Pretty spot on there, except for the intentional/subconscious part. He takes delight in INTENTIONALLY disrupting a discussion with his disregard for any cited source not acceptable to him. I think Fox is the only one on his approved list, and of course, it's on no one else's. He has an almost Clothahump ability to accept anything the POTardUS does as awesome and faultless. Head in the sand stuff.

Last edited by Morgenstern; 03-17-2018 at 08:38 AM.
  #245  
Old 03-17-2018, 09:37 AM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgenstern View Post
Pretty spot on there, except for the intentional/subconscious part. He takes delight in INTENTIONALLY disrupting a discussion with his disregard for any cited source not acceptable to him. I think Fox is the only one on his approved list, and of course, it's on no one else's. He has an almost Clothahump ability to accept anything the POTardUS does as awesome and faultless. Head in the sand stuff.
I believe HD when he says he doesn't approve of some of Trump's behavior and actions. He's said this on several occasions. But he'll tolerate and rationalize everything to date as long as he 'gets the things he wants'. To my understanding, those include: lower taxes at any cost, lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO), guns and more guns. There are probably more 'things that he wants' but he's rarely very specific about what they are. Maybe because at the top of his desirable outcomes list - and he's said this flat out - is that he enjoys the fact that Trump upsets liberals/progressives.

That's the reason I find myself questioning HD's integrity in so many discussions. Some of his positions come from a legitimate traditional conservative outlook. But a disproportionate amount is based on pissing off progressives purely for the reflexively vindictive pleasure of it all. In short, HD's a smarter C'hump with improved rhetorical skills.
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.

Last edited by QuickSilver; 03-17-2018 at 09:39 AM.
  #246  
Old 03-17-2018, 10:21 AM
iiandyiiii's Avatar
iiandyiiii iiandyiiii is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 31,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
I believe HD when he says he doesn't approve of some of Trump's behavior and actions. He's said this on several occasions. But he'll tolerate and rationalize everything to date as long as he 'gets the things he wants'. To my understanding, those include: lower taxes at any cost, lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO), guns and more guns. There are probably more 'things that he wants' but he's rarely very specific about what they are. Maybe because at the top of his desirable outcomes list - and he's said this flat out - is that he enjoys the fact that Trump upsets liberals/progressives.

That's the reason I find myself questioning HD's integrity in so many discussions. Some of his positions come from a legitimate traditional conservative outlook. But a disproportionate amount is based on pissing off progressives purely for the reflexively vindictive pleasure of it all. In short, HD's a smarter C'hump with improved rhetorical skills.
Based on his posts, I think he very mildly disapproves of mistreatment of women, racism, bigotry, etc. I think he disapproves much more strongly of anything that has a chance to make liberals happy, and values making liberals angry far, far more than opposing bigotry, racism, and mistreatment of women.
  #247  
Old 03-17-2018, 10:29 AM
Vinyl Turnip Vinyl Turnip is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 19,791
It's not an unfamiliar refrain, at this point.

"It doesn't matter who Trump is, or what sins and crimes he committed, as long as he appoints Supreme Court Justices who love guns, fetuses, executions and Jesus—and who hate gays, transwhatevers, atheists and Moozlems— as much as I do."
  #248  
Old 03-17-2018, 04:14 PM
Sunny Daze's Avatar
Sunny Daze Sunny Daze is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Bay Area Urban Sprawl
Posts: 11,306
As far as I can tell, he just wants to argue the other side. You can cover his argument up one side and down the other with facts, figures, and rebut it until the cows come home and it will not matter. I have no idea what he will accept as "correct" or "truthful". Has he admitted to Fox anywhere?

He gets very stuck on pedantics. Something must appear in a certain word, or phrase, or it's not true. I almost hate to argue around him, because he engages, but he stops discussion cold. We end up spending pages or whether "healthcare" is insurance or a sysadmin can shut down a nuclear plant.

I'm not convinced he even cares about Trump. He just wants to argue. Maybe we should charge by the quarter hour.
  #249  
Old 03-18-2018, 02:07 AM
Lord Feldon's Avatar
Lord Feldon Lord Feldon is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
lower restrictions on national park lands (bizarrely obsessive priority, IMO)
That's a bugbear for a lot of western conservatives. There's a lot of hate for the various federal agencies that own much of the land out there. The whole Bundy situation was rooted in it.

Last edited by Lord Feldon; 03-18-2018 at 02:12 AM.
  #250  
Old 03-18-2018, 10:41 AM
QuickSilver QuickSilver is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 17,489
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny Daze View Post
As far as I can tell, he just wants to argue the other side. You can cover his argument up one side and down the other with facts, figures, and rebut it until the cows come home and it will not matter. I have no idea what he will accept as "correct" or "truthful". Has he admitted to Fox anywhere?

He gets very stuck on pedantics. Something must appear in a certain word, or phrase, or it's not true. I almost hate to argue around him, because he engages, but he stops discussion cold. We end up spending pages or whether "healthcare" is insurance or a sysadmin can shut down a nuclear plant.

I'm not convinced he even cares about Trump. He just wants to argue. Maybe we should charge by the quarter hour.
I think this is the particularly insidious part of his rhetoric. The explicit mistrust of generally fact based media and the attempt to dismantle trust in an entire outlet because an opinion piece got the caliber of a weapon used in a crime wrong. As if caliber was instrumental in any way to the report. It's got that wafting stench of fascism about it, masquerading as golly-gee-wiz pedantry.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Feldon View Post
That's a bugbear for a lot of western conservatives. There's a lot of hate for the various federal agencies that own much of the land out there. The whole Bundy situation was rooted in it.
So the typical lunatic right wing fringe that likes to pretend they are the wild west cowboy pioneers. Fruitcakes, the lot.
__________________
St. QuickSilver: Patron Saint of Thermometers.

Last edited by QuickSilver; 03-18-2018 at 10:42 AM.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright © 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017