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Old 02-11-2020, 06:36 PM
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Local sportswriter has F word on her twitter home page.


see it here. https://twitter.com/SaraCivian

For a job page I think it's very unprofessional. I asked her about it and she did not reply. It would be OK for a personal page. She's around 27. Anyone think it's OK for a business page? I assume her boss knows about it but maybe not.
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Huh. She’s local to me, too. Couldn’t care less that she has that on her page and I think it’s kind of weird that you contacted her about it.


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Old 02-11-2020, 06:43 PM
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I dunno if it's appropriate, but I approve of it wholeheartedly. The word 'fuck' completely lost its teeth in the nineties, to the point where I find it implausible that anybody younger than fifty is offended by it anymore. The only reason that saying it is considered literally worse than murder by the MPAA is because the MPAA is entirely composed of crusty ancient dudes. It would be a fine thing if society would wake up and smell the intensifiers and shift their focus to words that have retained their offensive quality, like 'moist'.
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:47 PM
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one thing about the MPAA is they only allow you to rate movies if you have kids.

Would it be OK to put the F word in your email signature at a business?
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one thing about the MPAA is they only allow you to rate movies if you have kids.

Would it be OK to put the F word in your email signature at a business?
Wanna define "Okay"? That's the sort of thing that's dictated by factors like "how does your boss feel" and "do you sell to a lot of ancient people".
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Couldn’t care less that she has that on her page and I think it’s kind of weird that you contacted her about it.
I agree with this. It’s not racist, not sexist, Doesn’t espouse or promote any harmful thing or idea, so why get on her case?

“Fuck” the curse word, cursing in general, and fucking the act are healthy things that shouldn’t be censored or censured by society. Kids would grow up with healthier ideas about sex of it weren’t treated as a shameful taboo subject.

She didn’t curse at a customer of the business after all.
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So putting F word in a business email is OK if you don't sell to anyone over the age of 40? or 30?

I really cannot imagine at any job I had that cursing in a business email would be OK. I expect it would get me fired if the email was to a customer or potential customer.
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So putting F word in a business email is OK if you don't sell to anyone over the age of 40? or 30?

I really cannot imagine at any job I had that cursing in a business email would be OK. I expect it would get me fired if the email was to a customer or potential customer.
Well, sure, but you're not a sportscaster.


But, here's a fun excerpt from a deposition (both the witness and his lawyer were sanctioned)

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MR. BODZIN: I'm going to ask the question again and I'll ask it a different way so as to make sure that I'm not characterizing this witness's testimony.
THE WITNESS: Get his [Ziccardi's] permission.
MR. BODZIN: I don't need his permission.
THE WITNESS: Yes you do.
Q. My question is in submitting loans originated by HTFC for purchase by GMAC, was it HTFC's policy that so long as there was an appraisal that supported the value of the property, it was not up to HTFC to report to GMAC flip activity?
MR. ZICCARDI: Same objection. Go ahead.
A. My attorney just told you to get fucked and so did I.
MR. ZICCARDI: No.
THE WITNESS: Okay. That's for the record.
Q. First of all, your attorney didn't tell me that. You told me that and now you can answer the question.
A. Go get fucked.
Q. You're not answering the question?
A. I did answer your question.
Q. No, that's not an answer to the question.
A. That's my answer to your question.
Q. Okay.
A. My attorney very nicely told you that he objects. Fuck you. And I'm telling you on behalf of my attorney, fuck you.

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So putting F word in a business email is OK if you don't sell to anyone over the age of 40? or 30?

I really cannot imagine at any job I had that cursing in a business email would be OK. I expect it would get me fired if the email was to a customer or potential customer.
Again, it's all about the environment, the expectations, and the responses. Who you expect to see the email - are they old? Are they your boss? Are they customers who are old?

I for one have both sworn and heard my boss swear at work - and I'm in my forties and my boss is older. We're just not old enough to freak out over that kind of swearing. That's for OLD people to freak out about.

But, that said, business emails are all about putting a mask on - pretending to be somebody you're not (and who few people are). This very often can include putting on airs - and inappropriate or not, there are word choices one will avoid in such situations.

If I was a sportswriter in my twenties then fuck, my mask might include more swearing than I would no normally.
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So putting F word in a business email is OK if you don't sell to anyone over the age of 40? or 30?

I really cannot imagine at any job I had that cursing in a business email would be OK. I expect it would get me fired if the email was to a customer or potential customer.
Clearly, you have never worked at an advertising agency. Ad agencies are fueled by caffeine and foul language (though the bad language in emails is nearly always limited to internal recipients).

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And of course, it’s the single most versatile word in the English language. It’s a super word!
I’m not sure there’s a single word class that it doesn’t fit.
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She writes about professional hockey. Doubtful anyone cares. We hockey fans are a profane bunch (even when we are old or, as was said above, "ancient"). I resemble that remark, so what?
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She writes about professional hockey. Doubtful anyone cares. We hockey fans are a profane bunch (even when we are old or, as was said above, "ancient"). I resemble that remark, so what?
When I had hockey season tickets, my friends and I said the unofficial NHL motto is "Fucking bullshit." Watch every player who gets a penalty. Nine times out of ten of them says this. I loved it when we'd be watching a game on TV, and the camera has a close-up on the player in the box, and you can read his lips.
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The President of the United States called his impeachment "bullshit" and you're concerned about someone saying the word "fuck" on Twitter?
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The President of the United States called his impeachment "bullshit" and you're concerned about someone saying the word "fuck" on Twitter?
To many people (in america, at least) "fuck" is a magic special word, with a higher level of "strength" than many other swear words. Sort of like how "shit" is stronger than "crap" - despite them being synonyms.

And yes, this is all completely arbitrary. The notable thing about "fuck" is that while it used to be The Worst Word Ever, in the late eighties and early nineties rebellious children overused all to hell, to the point the nobody growing up in that era could take it seriously anymore. It's the most rapid defanging of an offensive word I'm aware of.
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Not concerned about it , just wondering what other people think. I should note that she tweets all kinds of stuff not related to her job. Some people have a personal twitter and one for their job, she only has 1 twitter account.
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Not concerned about it , just wondering what other people think. I should note that she tweets all kinds of stuff not related to her job. Some people have a personal twitter and one for their job, she only has 1 twitter account.
Couldnít possibly be less bothered.
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And it’s not a business email. It’s Twitter. It fits in perfectly well with the platform and the topic she’s discussing.


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Not concerned about it , just wondering what other people think. I should note that she tweets all kinds of stuff not related to her job. Some people have a personal twitter and one for their job, she only has 1 twitter account.


You contacted her about it, though. I’m curious about what you said.


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I asked her what her boss thought about it. I guess since she did not reply I assume he doesn't know or doesn't care. I would be surprised if he doesn't follow her on twitter. I think her boss is in Charlotte and she's in Raleigh. Also it was interesting a few weeks back she said she has a roommate, not too surprising since I would think her pay is pretty low. Her roommate works for the Canes doing promotions at the home games. this is her roommate , she also does other sports jobs.

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I asked her what her boss thought about it. I guess since she did not reply I assume he doesn't know or doesn't care.
And I assume that she thinks that you are a creep that should mind their own business.
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And I assume that she thinks that you are a creep that should mind their own business.
Yeah, asking a sports related question is fine. But some rando dude asking about her personal life does come off as creepy.
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Oh dear, a HOCKEY writer, has the F-word, on her twitter page? Oh my.

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I asked her what her boss thought about it. I guess since she did not reply I assume he doesn't know or doesn't care.
I canít believe a female sports writer didnít reply to some random dude criticizing her on Twitter.
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I asked her what her boss thought about it. I guess since she did not reply I assume he doesn't know or doesn't care. I would be surprised if he doesn't follow her on twitter. I think her boss is in Charlotte and she's in Raleigh. Also it was interesting a few weeks back she said she has a roommate, not too surprising since I would think her pay is pretty low. Her roommate works for the Canes doing promotions at the home games. this is her roommate , she also does other sports jobs.

https://www.abbylabar.com/
This, on the other hand, bothers me. Dude....
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Yeah, it seems creepy how you say you aren't bothered by it, but you want to know if her boss knows, and also that you are connecting this discussion to the fact that you know she has a roommate, and you know who it is, and what her job and her Twitter account is. At best, you seem weirdly paternalistic toward her.

If you are bothered by it, it is perfectly ok to tell her that. I would suggest something like, "Hi. I'm a fan of your sportscasting, and have been following you on Twitter. I'm bothered by your use of the F-word, and the fact that it is on your page. I just thought you might want to know. I will/will not (you choose) be continuing to follow you."

If you aren't bothered by it, but you're just surprised, it makes perfect sense to have a thread about that here, but seems very odd to make a point of asking if her boss knows. It almost sounds like you're threatening to tell on her, or as I said, being paternalistic.

And I think gathering personal tidbits about someone from their tweets and listing them out as personal knowledge about them is the sort of thing that can make women feel wary about how the internet treats women.

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I asked her what her boss thought about it. I guess since she did not reply I assume he doesn't know or doesn't care. I would be surprised if he doesn't follow her on twitter. I think her boss is in Charlotte and she's in Raleigh. Also it was interesting a few weeks back she said she has a roommate, not too surprising since I would think her pay is pretty low. Her roommate works for the Canes doing promotions at the home games. this is her roommate , she also does other sports jobs.

https://www.abbylabar.com/
Giving off a bit of a creepy vibe.
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I agree, the roommate thing is creepy as hell. And the question about whether her boss knows about it is something I would assume is an implied threat to go over her head to inform the boss about it.
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I may have to go buy some pearls so I can clutch them. Mark me down for the "not a big deal in that context, but not appropriate in other contexts" group.

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I'm not sure how her roommate's relevant.
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I'm not sure how her roommate's relevant.
Probably isn't. But I liked what she wrote on her site's homepage. Sounds like she'd be worth reading, if I followed hockey.
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I say fuck all the time. No, not at work in the office, although I did from time to time at my old job. Not around patients or customers, but to coworkers, sure.

I don't see what the huge deal is. If her boss knows about it and doesn't care, why gripe about it? Other people can make personal choices regarding whether they'd want to listen to someone who says it, and that's their right. But complaining to her about it when she obviously knows and wants it there just makes you come off like a Karen.
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Looks like it's just a personal account that's verified, and she posts work stuff on there too. Not that it matters.
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Guess I forgot many people here think Sanders is too far to the right. So a little bad word doesn't bother most people here.
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So a little bad word doesn't bother most people here.
All depends on context and placement. An F bomb in front of kindergartners is a different thing than an F bomb on your Twitter account, where 99% of your followers are adult sports fans.
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Guess I forgot many people here think Sanders is too far to the right. So a little bad word doesn't bother most people here.
It doesn't twist my knickers or make me fall on my fainting couch.
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Guess I forgot many people here think Sanders is too far to the right. So a little bad word doesn't bother most people here.
What the hell does Bernie Sanders have to do with anything? Are you even trying to make sense?
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What the hell does Bernie Sanders have to do with anything? Are you even trying to make sense?
He's conflating age with political alignment. Admittedly there is a correlation, particularly when you focus on the sort of ancientness that includes being out of touch with the development of language use over the past forty years.
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He's conflating age with political alignment. Admittedly there is a correlation, particularly when you focus on the sort of ancientness that includes being out of touch with the development of language use over the past forty years.
OK, but Bernie Sanders is 79 years old. He predates the baby boom generation.
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I don't really get why a person who works at a sports writing job that drops 'fucks' into articles having a 'fuck' on their home page would be a big deal. Clearly it's part of their brand, and like other people have said it's likely she plays up the swearing. And I agree that the obsession with this particular reporter comes off extremely creeepy.

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And on the other side of the political spectrum, Trump uses significantly worse language than Bernie Sanders does - if any politician is used to mean 'supporters are cool with bad language', Trump makes more sense as an example than Sanders.
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Who cares enough to write nanny notes to the person?

If you find her offensive, why follow her to the point you know what her living arrangements are?
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If you're old enough to be on Twitter, you're old enough to see the word "fuck".
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I was going to reply that it isn't used as a conjunction. But I guess conjunction is its most time-honored usage.
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She's the best source of news about the Hurricanes. She goes to most road games. Local paper stopped covering road games a while back, can't remember when. She tweeted about her roommate so she must not mind people knowing that.
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She's the best source of news about the Hurricanes. She goes to most road games. Local paper stopped covering road games a while back, can't remember when. She tweeted about her roommate so she must not mind people knowing that.
Bolding mine. What exactly are you suggesting here? How is this relevant to your topic of cursing on twitter?

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One of the few accounts my Canes related business follows and I have no problem with her at all.
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I think the OP feels the way I did years ago when I saw a commercially produced greeting card for a mistress to send to her married lover. Right there at Walgreens.

I thought, "I know this sort of thing goes on all the time, but now it's sanctioned by business?"
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"F word"? Seriously? Which fucking "F" word?
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"F word"? Seriously? Which fucking "F" word?
"Out of all the English words that begin with the letter F 'fuck' is the only work that is referred to as the F-word"
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