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Old 06-17-2019, 03:58 PM
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The Boys S1


I am enthusiastically waiting for 26 July so I can watch E1 of The Boys on Amazon.

2 minute trailer here.

DC;DW: Seems to be a darkly humorous show about a secret superhero group that acts when other superheros abuse their powers/positions.

I like the look, I like the tone, and I like the good-for-many-metaphors milieu. The cast looks great: I like Keith Urban (he's a decent actor who's great for certain parts, plus he likes SF and comic books so he's cool ya), Elisabeth Shue is fantastic, Jessie T. Usher is apparently an up-and-coming star, Erin Moriarty, etc.

S1 is only 8 episodes but they're 60 minutes each, so they should be able to cover a fair amount of story & character(s) development.

I had no idea this show existed until today, but now I'm looking forward to it.

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I think you mean Karl not Keith.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:50 PM
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I swear I spell-checked and stuff, folks. Yes, Karl Urban. Thanks, Ike.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:22 PM
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The show itself looks pretty promising. I will give it a shot, for sure.
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Yeeeeeaaaahh. . . Keith, Karl. BIG difference. One, I dont' care, the other, I'm psyched. A dark comedy superhero series with Karl Urban? I am SOOO in. I was pissed when I found out it's not out yet. I was getting set to waste the next 24 hours on this.
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I don't like the look of this at all. It seems really ugly and gratuitously violent, which I know there are big audiences for, but I'm not one of them.

Putting that aside, though, it also seemed like it was missing something fundamental, which I can't quite pin down or explain, so I'm curious to see if it will succeed.
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I don't like the look of this at all. It seems really ugly and gratuitously violent, which I know there are big audiences for, but I'm not one of them.
Yeah, it's based on Garth Ennis' work. It's gonna be violent.

On the other hand, the comic is one of the better deconstructions of the superhero adolescent power-fantasy genre there's ever been. I loved it. So we'll see how this goes.
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So it seems that part of the pilot's plot consists of the Seven sending some sort of invisible killer to get rid of Wee Hughie, probably because he was suing them for his girlfriend's death.
Not a bad idea. In the comics Hughie refuses a payout, but his girlfriend's demise is still written off as colateral damage.
It looks fine and fairly close to the book... who's producing it? Let me check...
Oh. Seth Rogen and friends.
Makes sense.
I wasn't that happy with Preacher. I didn't even feel like watching season 2.
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So it seems that part of the pilot's plot consists of the Seven sending some sort of invisible killer to get rid of Wee Hughie, probably because he was suing them for his girlfriend's death.
Not a bad idea. In the comics Hughie refuses a payout, but his girlfriend's demise is still written off as colateral damage.
It looks fine and fairly close to the book... who's producing it? Let me check...
Oh. Seth Rogen and friends.
Makes sense.
I wasn't that happy with Preacher. I didn't even feel like watching season 2.
That's great news for me. I love Preacher. BTW, i feel like it picked up after the first season. They got out of town and went on the road. The town setting, and the townsfolk, were a drag. It's a pity of you never watched the season two opener. It really took off. Of course, if you followed the Preacher comics, you'd have a different perspective than I.

I'm getting a bit off-topic, but damn, there's not much to say about the Karl Urban show, unfortunately. At least it's not far away.

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That's great news for me. I love Preacher. BTW, i feel like it picked up after the first season.
Well, I'm glad to hear that. Maybe I'll check S2.

What bothered me from S1 was that, at some point, the writers stared ignoring the original story and wanted to develop their own off the wall ideas... and some of those ideas worked well enough (like the motel clone massacre) and some fell really flat (The meeting "God" at the church scene).

So I suspected that S2 would be more of that. But if you're telling me it picks up, I guess I can give it another chance.
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Well, I'm glad to hear that. Maybe I'll check S2.

What bothered me from S1 was that, at some point, the writers stared ignoring the original story and wanted to develop their own off the wall ideas... and some of those ideas worked well enough (like the motel clone massacre) and some fell really flat (The meeting "God" at the church scene).

So I suspected that S2 would be more of that. But if you're telling me it picks up, I guess I can give it another chance.
FWIW, I feel the same way about the clone massacre and the Skype meeting with God. I think the series has more hits than misses thereafter. The season 2 opener should be a good gauge for what follows...well, for season 2. Season 3 has a darker feel.

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I stuck with Season 2 until the characters just started hanging out in New Orleans, harassing street preachers and shooting each other in the chest. That was the point I realized that the show had nowhere to go and nothing to say.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:20 AM
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I just can’t feel optimistic about this, because the original comics were such a grim, ugly, cynical slog. Pointing out that comic book tropes don’t work in real life is like shooting fish in a barrel, but doing it by making pretty much every super, politician, and corporate executive a mass murdering psychopath and sex maniac is ridiculous overkill.

A vigilante group that works to reign in out of control “heroes” is an interesting idea. I’m not sure this is the best source material to use.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:07 AM
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Fortunately for me, I have no pre-conceptions at all; didn't even know it was a comic until I read it here. The Umbrella Academy was the same for me, and The Tick (well, I knew about The Tick, natch) and I really enjoyed those.

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Yeah I had no idea this was a comic either and I hope we can keep the discussion to the show only.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:01 PM
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I plan on staying up late tonight to watch E1.
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Old 07-26-2019, 02:13 AM
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I just watched the first 3 episodes and I think this show is brilliant. Scary and funny and gory and ironic and horrifying and triumphant and just fucking brilliant.

Gotta sleep and go to work; gonna finish it tomorrow prolly.

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BTW, if you've read this far and haven't turned the show on yet, be aware that this is some dark, DARK, heavy shit.
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Old 07-26-2019, 08:28 AM
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I loved the comic and will watch the show.
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It's definitely dark. I'm about as far along as Bo. I like it.
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Started watching it last night but had to shut it off half way through the second episode to be able to get some sleep. Loving it so far.

I have not read the comics but this is probably one of the most realistic portrayals of how supers would probably act if they really existed. Power corrupts and absolute power would corrupt absolutely.

I liked Translucent freaking out about bootleg items infringing on their IP.
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I have not read the comics but this is probably one of the most realistic portrayals of how supers would probably act if they really existed. Power corrupts and absolute power would corrupt absolutely.
That always sounds so hifalutin'. The real big problem, and one which this series does touch up on, is that power doesn't make you less of an imbecile if you happen to be one.
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Homelander is scary as shit. Clearly mentally unhinged (prolly in part because he knows he's definitely superior to humans) and also apparently all-powerful. Scary scary stuff.

I have about 8 hours until the sun goes down here, then I'm gonna plow thru the last 5 episodes. I might watch the 1st 3 again during the afternoon, but I really like the dark theatre vibe I get when I watch shows at night; it's great for a first viewing.

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Looks to me like Mystery Men, turned up to 11 with violence and grimdark.

I dont see anything original.
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Looks to me like Mystery Men, turned up to 11 with violence and grimdark.

I dont see anything original.
That's not even remotely close.
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Looks to me like Mystery Men, turned up to 11 with violence and grimdark.

I dont see anything original.
What show were you watching?
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The preview. Now I have watched a few epis, yes, it is Mystery men, just way darker. The real super in MM was a total corporate sellout and tool.

It's a fun show, but it's not original in any way.
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The preview. Now I have watched a few epis, yes, it is Mystery men, just way darker. The real super in MM was a total corporate sellout and tool.

It's a fun show, but it's not original in any way.
Your opinion is weird, it is very little like the Mystery Men movie. I don't know about original or not, but not copying MM much at all. Mystery Men and several other movies were about those with very minor powers. This is really very different. The 7 are pretty super and the other group have no super powers at all. I think it is mostly a story about corruption though at its heart.
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*** spoilers from here on out, folks! ***


The show is deeper than I thought it would be. Lots of things coming up that echo or are directly from our world and times. In the first episode we had a guy take advantage of a young woman's naivety & ambition and his own supposed position of power over her to rape her.

We had our MP (main protagonist) Hughie's girlfriend killed off in horrific and irrevocable fashion by an authority figure with vastly more power than he has just moments into the show and him having to deal with the fact that society sees this as no big deal.

We see corporations disguising their true intent with flash and glitter; that there really IS a tiered, hierarchical society where most people are not in the top tier and are generally regarded as unimportant, interchangeable and disposable.

And we see people with power acting with impunity, being upset when they aren't getting their way and resorting to violence to impose their will.

Lots of parallels and echoes of our world, brought into stark focus in this show, IMO. Much that I didn't list, for sure.

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I just know he's gonna do it, especially after I knew he was gonna use the word "mewling" and then he did.
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I really liked how they made (most) of the Boys powerless.
In the comics they took compound V and got super strength (Well, not really- they got something like "super violence", where they seemed to have regular strength except they could brutally murder supes)
But making them (except for The Female) just an efficient black ops outfit improves the story.
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Watched 4-7 last night. Each episode feels like a short movie rather than a single TV episode; they really pack a lot in.

Character growth is really good; the acting and writing are both excellent, helping to carry the load in equal parts. I think it's great that Karl Urban is perhaps the worst actor (with the worst character) of the bunch. He's solid, but pretty much everyone else him is shining.

So far I haven't caught an uneven tone from the number of different directors. That was increasingly a problem for me with GoT (at least for S6 & S7) and I'm glad they seem to have gone for continuity over individual style.

The production value continues to be impressive.

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I like Kimiko (The Female) fine; she interesting and her Wolverine-ness will surely prove useful again in the future. But I really like Cherie, Frenchie's no-nonsense waiting-for-him-to-come-back-to-her-on-pain-of-death girlfriend; she totally fucking rocks! So that triangle should be fun to see get sorted.

Maeve's storyline came at me out of nowhere. Not at all what I expected it was going to be.

I was glad to see Ashley get fired; I didn't care for her.

Loved the cameos they're throwing in! They really help establish this as a real albeit slightly different world than our own. And a couple of them made me Let's go to the quarry and throw stuff down there.

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I'm gonna finish the last 2 episodes tonight, so I'll prolly be out of the thread until after that.
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I really liked Homelander explaining why he couldn't just carry a plane in flight.
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I really liked Homelander explaining why he couldn't just carry a plane in flight.
I didn't. He could have just grabbed onto the wing spars and carried the plane down. It would have easily handled the stress.
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I didn't. He could have just grabbed onto the wing spars and carried the plane down. It would have easily handled the stress.
I just took that as him trying to calm Maeve down- He seems to be something of a sadistic prick. I think he likes being able to cause the death of us squishy normals on a whim, as evidenced in the scene where he unnecessarily kills the lone gunman in the high rise, staring him in the eyes as he dies.

He had the barest pretense to allow the plane to go down, and he took it.

I still have three episodes to go, which I'll be finishing up tonight.
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I just took that as him trying to calm Maeve down- He seems to be something of a sadistic prick. I think he likes being able to cause the death of us squishy normals on a whim, as evidenced in the scene where he unnecessarily kills the lone gunman in the high rise, staring him in the eyes as he dies.

He had the barest pretense to allow the plane to go down, and he took it.

I still have three episodes to go, which I'll be finishing up tonight.
I don't think he's quite THAT sadistic. I feel like they played the scene as if he really though't it wasn't possible, despite what Superman does in the comic books all the time.
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I don't think he's quite THAT sadistic. I feel like they played the scene as if he really though't it wasn't possible, despite what Superman does in the comic books all the time.
Nope. I think he was that sadistic. The dude can fly. He could have at least slowed the descent over the ocean, or tried SOMETHING. He was full of shit, and just didn't want to do anything aside from fuck with Maeve's head on this.

He could have flown in place of one of the engines, anything.

Homelander is an asshole.
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I didn't. He could have just grabbed onto the wing spars and carried the plane down. It would have easily handled the stress.
I have no idea what nor where wing spars are. And going by his explanation, it's possible Homelander didn't either.

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The comic made it much more obvious that The Seven lacked any real training for this kind of situation. They're marketing tools more than they are an effective hero team. Even if they had the power to save the plane, and that's debatable, The Seven had no clue how to use those powers in inobvious ways, or how to work together as a team to leverage their strengths.
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I have no idea what nor where wing spars are. And going by his explanation, it's possible Homelander didn't either.
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Big airplanes do have a few fitting locations (3 - 4 typically) allowing them to be put on large jacks with their landing gear hanging freely off the ground. The entire weight of the airplane rests on these jack fittings. A supe, or a couple of supes, could support the airplane at these points without causing the airplane to crumple. However, unless they were very familiar with airplane maintenance and build, or took the time to find and read the stenciled marker locations on the outside of the plane, they would not know where these points were.
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Had some very good parts and some meh parts to it. I thought the bits with the Deep that were supposed to show pathos just sort of felt cringy. I wasn't about to feel any empathy for him given what he did in the beginning. Karl Urban was excellent and so was the guy playing Home Lander. Didn't care for A-Train that much. I never felt like the actor/script/direction or whatever was really selling his character. I loved The Female and for some reason, I also loved Black Noir.
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I just blew through this series without knowing anything about it. I really enjoyed and thought the writing, pacing and acting was top-notch. Karl Urban is so very good. Erin Moriarty as Starlight and Jack Quaid were very good. Interestingly Jack is Dennis Quaid's & Meg Ryan's son.
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Well, I’ve seen the whole thing, and enjoyed it, but I am left with one important question: just what accent was Karl Urban aiming for, exactly?

In the comics, Billy Butcher’s English; and it did seem in the first episode like Urban was aiming for something vaguely in the London area, with occasional excursions into Essex, and the odd hint of Captain Jack Sparrow. But then it settled down as Australian – which is fine, Butcher could be Australian in the show, in the same way they changed Hughie from Scottish to American – but then why not just make him a Kiwi like Urban, and save a lot of trouble?
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Well, I’ve seen the whole thing, and enjoyed it, but I am left with one important question: just what accent was Karl Urban aiming for, exactly?

In the comics, Billy Butcher’s English; and it did seem in the first episode like Urban was aiming for something vaguely in the London area, with occasional excursions into Essex, and the odd hint of Captain Jack Sparrow. But then it settled down as Australian – which is fine, Butcher could be Australian in the show, in the same way they changed Hughie from Scottish to American – but then why not just make him a Kiwi like Urban, and save a lot of trouble?
He sounds like (and looks like) Ravi from I Zombie.
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He sounds like (and looks like) Ravi from I Zombie.
The vocal resemblance is not as close as the physical one. And that goes no further than “man with beard”.
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Binged the whole thing today. And all I can say is: Wow! Just wow!

My jaw was on the floor at the end of the final episode.

Imma be pissed if we don't get a season 2.
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Just finished 7 & 8; fucking brilliant. I did not see that ending coming at all.

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AFAICT S2 is already greenlit; IMDB shows S2 in 2020.

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Just finished 7 & 8; fucking brilliant. I did not see that ending coming at all.

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You didn't? I saw it coming from the moment I found out his wife had been pregnant. It was fairly obvious from that point on.
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You didn't? I saw it coming from the moment I found out his wife had been pregnant. It was fairly obvious from that point on.
I think you're being a little loose with the word 'obvious.'

Yes, I'm not surprised that Homelander's kid was alive. There was nothing to make that obvious though.

I was a little surprised to see that Butcher's wife was alive. Homelander's demonstrated cruelty through the first 6 or 7 episodes make it most believable that he could have killed Butcher's wife to cover up his rape.

The final episode doesn't show if Butcher's wife was raped or not; but it's looking like she was not.

And finally I was very surprised that Homelander, for all his faults, wasn't the reason his wife disappeared, and I thought he actually showed a little humanity by making sure he saved Butcher. Homelander wanted Butcher to know he wasn't the villain in this case, and even brough him to show him that his wife was still alive.

You really think all of that was obvious? I don't think so.
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I haven't read this thread yet, but I'm two episodes in and I really like it. Very dark, and very well made. I hope to get a few more episodes in today.
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Watching the third episode, I recognised the scene they shot outside of my workplace (Homelander and Queen Maeve are talking to a SWAT team member in front of a bank robbery). At the time, I assumed they were filming the TV series "Titans" (because of the woman in the Wonder Woman knock-off outfit), but I guess I was wrong.
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I watched the first four episodes after reading the positive reviews, and it’s actually quite good. Yes, it’s dark and depressing, but it doesn’t wallow in it as much as the comic. Yes, the supers are terrible people, but they have understandable motivations, unlike the comic where they seem to be arbitrarily horrible. I mean, Starlight still gets raped, but in the comic it was by the whole squad. Homelanders weird Oedipal thing is so creepy and pathetic I feel sorry for him, and his disgust at having to pretend to have had a normal childhood is telling.
The plot changes are a bit of an improvement, with the whole “what is compound V” mystery giving the crew a goal beyond killing random Supers in gory and humiliating ways. I like selling supers to cities like sports teams- something that makes a lot of sense but I don’t think was in the comic.

And yeah, it doesn’t have much in common with Mystery Men besides a corporate sponsored hero.
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