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I'm old now, 80 in a couple of years. I lived in villnius, Lithuania less than two years after the Soviets left. I saw that haunted, hollow look in the eyes of the people. I am so afraid of Trump and his sick ideas. He has been diagnosed by a prominent psychiatrist as a person who is exclusively inward, and with the added characteristic of sadism. That is why he goes after you if you cross him. He has a public reason to ruin your life but down deep he finds joy in it. He also has charm (listen to how he uses his voice) to pull people in. He is of course a liar, whatever brings him what he covets. Hitler was a sicko, but even without instagram he managed to mesmerize millions of Germans and to convince them to allow 6 million people to die in concentration camps because they were mostly Jewish.
there were also homosexuals, and various others he disapproved of. I'm sure he had a name for them just like trump. He has a small vocabulary but uses those words over and over like that revolving turnstile that ruined Dukasis's bid for the white house.

This person says perfectly what happened in Germany and what can happen overnight in the united States. Even if we vote trump out he will start his own White House and try to form his own party. He has already started the takeover. I hope I will be dead, but I fear for my children and grandchildren. He is a vicious, cruel, sick human being without a conscience; he doesn't even know what he is doing is wrong, so you can't talk him out of it. He has already moved the lines to define who can vote where in a large number of states. Did you agree to that? His wife and son don't even live with him. Melenia is trapped, tied to her son.

I was stupid like everyone else. Who in the world ever thought in a million years that the entire senate (minus one) would not convict him of the heinous crimes he has committed? If all those old white men are that afraid of him something is very wrong with what I thought was a safe and controlled government. It turns out it depends on people being honest, ethical and moral. None of which was present.

Please don't reelect him. It is the road to hell and the loss of our dear country. And he will never go away until he dies. His children as we speak are being groomed to take over.

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Americans who don't see what is happening to their country remind us of the apocryphal frog who didn't note the water's gradual rise in temperature. Or of the Germans who saw Hitler as a charismatic pro-Christian anti-communist.

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Americans who don't see what is happening to their country remind us of the apocryphal frog who didn't note the water's gradual rise in temperature. Or of the Germans who saw Hitler as a charismatic pro-Christian anti-communist. {...}
But, to torture the example, you don't run Stalin Sanders against Hitler Trump when the electorate really wants Churchill a conservative Republican but will settle for Roosevelt a moderate, liberal, Democrat.

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But, to torture the example, you don't run Stalin Sanders against Hitler Trump when the electorate really wants Churchill a conservative Republican but will settle for Roosevelt a moderate, liberal, Democrat.

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Your analogy is wrong. Sanders is Roosevelt, not Stalin.
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Argumentum ad Nazium always works great when it comes to mobilizing public opinion, as do assertions by shrinks who've never examined the patient*.

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Your analogy is wrong. Sanders is Roosevelt, not Stalin.
I agree, to normal sane people.

The people that would never pull the lever for Trump on the other hand?
The people that coined the word Hitlery?

To those people, in a race between Stalin and Sanders, Stalin is the lesser of the two, very, evils.

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Your analogy is wrong. Sanders is Roosevelt, not Stalin.
Given that the Republiopaths have been systematically trying to dismantle, diminish and/or destroy everything FDR ever did, clearly the man must have been consummate evil. I mean, they have proven that his New Deal prolonged the Great Depression.

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Your analogy is wrong. Sanders is Roosevelt, not Stalin.
Trump worships Putin and Bernie worships Noriega and Castro.
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What we're talking about isn't just an American problem; we're living in an age in which individuals can have disproportionate influence, and an age in which non-living "bots" can have influence just the same.

Democracy requires that people agree on a common "truth," or at minimum, it requires that people accept that if they can't agree right now on what 'the truth' is, that they make an effort cooperate and get there, even if it requires agreeing to disagree.

Modern technology tilts the advantage away from consensus-building and toward clan-building. My fear is that people will experiment away from societies predicated on consensus, cooperation, and sharing, and toward societies governed by tribalism, competition, and removing perceived threats to scarcity.

All of the precursors to the mass slaughter of the early 20th Century are present. What's more, the weaponry we have now makes mass murder even more efficient.
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I'm old now, 80 in a couple of years. I lived in villnius, Lithuania less than two years after the Soviets left. I saw that haunted, hollow look in the eyes of the people. I am so afraid of Trump and his sick ideas. He has been diagnosed by a prominent psychiatrist as a person who is exclusively inward, and with the added characteristic of sadism. That is why he goes after you if you cross him. He has a public reason to ruin your life but down deep he finds joy in it. He also has charm (listen to how he uses his voice) to pull people in. He is of course a liar, whatever brings him what he covets. Hitler was a sicko, but even without instagram he managed to mesmerize millions of Germans and to convince them to allow 6 million people to die in concentration camps because they were mostly Jewish.
there were also homosexuals, and various others he disapproved of. I'm sure he had a name for them just like trump. He has a small vocabulary but uses those words over and over like that revolving turnstile that ruined Dukasis's bid for the white house.

This person says perfectly what happened in Germany and what can happen overnight in the united States. Even if we vote trump out he will start his own White House and try to form his own party. He has already started the takeover. I hope I will be dead, but I fear for my children and grandchildren. He is a vicious, cruel, sick human being without a conscience; he doesn't even know what he is doing is wrong, so you can't talk him out of it. He has already moved the lines to define who can vote where in a large number of states. Did you agree to that? His wife and son don't even live with him. Melenia is trapped, tied to her son.

I was stupid like everyone else. Who in the world ever thought in a million years that the entire senate (minus one) would not convict him of the heinous crimes he has committed? If all those old white men are that afraid of him something is very wrong with what I thought was a safe and controlled government. It turns out it depends on people being honest, ethical and moral. None of which was present.

Please don't reelect him. It is the road to hell and the loss of our dear country. And he will never go away until he dies. His children as we speak are being groomed to take over.

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The entire senate did not acquit him: all the GOP senators minus one did, and they're the majority, but keep in mind that 46 senators didn't vote to acquit. And remember that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, so many Americans don't like him.

I agree that Donald Trump has some mental/emotional issues. He's a terrible president. But of bigger concern to me is Mitch McConnell and the Senate GOP's. And an even bigger concern is voters who are, apparently, uninformed and gullible and whose prejudices and hatred mirror the president's.

I hope Trump is not re-elected. If he is, we're screwed in so many ways.
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On a related note, I just saw a video someone posted somewhere where a guy was ranting vehemently about Freedom of Speech and how no one should be arrested for saying words, because blah blah blah. At first I was reluctant to watch the video, because who wants to be subjected to several minutes of a guy shouting (other than, maybe, Lewis Black)? But the poster put forth the impression that I was missing something, so I thought, maybe I can just watch it muted, with captions. The video offered me caption options of “Off” or “Russian (Auto-Generated)”. (The video was in English.)

And so it begins.
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On a related note, I just saw a video someone posted somewhere where a guy was ranting vehemently about Freedom of Speech and how no one should be arrested for saying words, because blah blah blah. At first I was reluctant to watch the video, because who wants to be subjected to several minutes of a guy shouting (other than, maybe, Lewis Black)? But the poster put forth the impression that I was missing something, so I thought, maybe I can just watch it muted, with captions. The video offered me caption options of “Off” or “Russian (Auto-Generated)”. (The video was in English.)

And so it begins.
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What people have to realize is that Republics can morph into empires and people can lose their freedom. Rome was a Republic as was Germany. We are not immune. The 2020 elections are a tipping point and will speak volumes about what kind of people we really are.
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I used to believe Fukuyama that all nations were moving towards liberal democracy, but now I realize that whenever you introduce the smallest stress into society, people start demanding dictatorship instead.

America has always had to deal with dictatorship in a lot of ways. Jim Crow in the south was a dictatorship for black people.

I suppose the best we can do is create enough checks and balances to make sure that when the inevitable dictators come to power that they can be restricted and voted out of power.

Also there was an argument that once a nation obtains a per capita income of maybe $10,000, that it has a very low chance of transitioning from democracy to dictatorship. But with what has happened in Poland and Venezuela recently I don't think thats true anymore.
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I used to believe Fukuyama that all nations were moving towards liberal democracy, but now I realize that whenever you introduce the smallest stress into society, people start demanding dictatorship instead.
You had every reason to believe that as recently as 10-15 years ago. But sweeping changes have caused dislocation, and the elites - people whom we might have regarded as "good", "moderate" conservatives - were not moderate enough when it came down to sharing the fruits of capitalism's successes, which is why we're at where we are now. Even if you're making fairly good bank, a lot of people still realize that costs of living are increasing, and the job market is uncertain. And in some places, capitalism has completely squandered opportunities. People have every right to be angry, to want to hold someone accountable. But they're badly misinformed and blaming the wrong targets.

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America has always had to deal with dictatorship in a lot of ways. Jim Crow in the south was a dictatorship for black people.
Jim Crow in the South, just like the industrialists power grab in the North, was rooted in a deep love of economic and social inequality. The difference was that Southern society's class differences were defined greatly by the issue of race, which isn't to suggest that racism didn't exist in the North - it clearly did and it had horrific race riots to show for it. The problem with America isn't just the GOP or Trump or Fox News; it's this naive belief that there's equal opportunity under the law, and that our results (our outcomes) are indicative of merit. People with money are increasingly putting their thumbs on the scales so that the average person who's born into poverty will have far less of a chance of gaining entry into the middle class than someone in the same position a generation or two before. America needs to embrace a new set of values.

We need to embrace not just "equal opportunity" under the law but real equal opportunity, and to provide opportunities for those who manage to fall on hard times, as opposed to falling into a virtual state of indentured servitude to America's creditors and financial institutions. And for that reason, I don't know if our constitution, our society can survive, or that it even should in its current form. On the flip side, I honestly don't know how in God's name we could ever assemble a group of people partial enough, intellectual sophisticated enough to produce an enduring framework of principles such as the kind we've had since 1787, flaws aside.
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The 2020 elections are a tipping point and will speak volumes about what kind of people we really are.
Or half your country anyway. For me the tipping point was the Senate voting to acquit President Sit On My Yammering, Festering Piehole.

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Also there was an argument that once a nation obtains a per capita income of maybe $10,000, that it has a very low chance of transitioning from democracy to dictatorship. But with what has happened in Poland and Venezuela recently I don't think thats true anymore.
I'm sure we can say the same about a lot more countries than just Poland and Venezuela.

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Maybe its how I want to be remembered: working for change instead of wearing out a couch.

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Uh, yeah: this.

If I lived down there, I would too. More people will need to galvanize themselves into a waaaaaaaaaaay more activist mindset, without question. (Hey - it's your democracy, or what will soon be left of it.)

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Bernie's skeezy essays about "Old Bitches" and thirteen-year-olds having sex and babies because "nature" decided that was the right time for it is off limits. He was in his thirties at the time and a deadbeat dad...
Woah.
With clothespinned nose I'll look into this.
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Or half your country anyway. For me the tipping point was the Senate voting to acquit President Sit On My Yammering, Festering Piehole.



ba-dum-dum



I'm sure we can say the same about a lot more countries than just Poland and Venezuela.



Uh, yeah: this.

If I lived down there, I would too. More people will need to galvanize themselves into a waaaaaaaaaaay more activist mindset, without question. (Hey - it's your democracy, or what will soon be left of it.)



Woah.
With clothespinned nose I'll look into this.
i'll save you the trouble.

Nature does not, in fact, design thirteen-year-old girls for sex and babies. As long as they have the narrow pelvis of childhood, a pregnancy could kill them far easier than an adult woman. I'm assuming anyone seeing "thirteen-year-old" automatically thinks, "child," so I needn't point out how a kid that age is, well,
a kid
. Plus, if "Nature" intended, why are girls' periods that age so eccentric and irregular?

When you see "thirteen-year-old" there's all that there, and so much more, so it's not just mentioning an age. Girls that age still play with dolls, and good for them. Just about every woman.can tell you of getting creeped on by adult men when they themselves were obviously children.
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The single most worrisome aspect of the entire Trump era, even more worrisome than Trump himself, has been the general lack of apparent outrage. There are some individual groups who have taken to the streets to protest, like when the women's march was organized after the inauguration and the immigration protests. But there's been no protest in reaction to the president's conduct of office, and that is nothing short of horrifying. Shit, the president registered some of his highest approval ratings the day he was acquitted of his obvious high crimes.

I went to a pro-immigration protest last year (might have been 2018 now that I think of it), and it felt good just to be around other people who had decided collectively that they weren't going to just sit back and watch as children get put into cages. We need more of these protests - and I say, join one if there's anything near you in the near future. Voting is great. Canvassing is great, and necessary. But in the end, after the machinery of democracy has rusted itself into disrepair, after nearly everything has failed, it's mass protest that is the final check on the abuse of power. It's the ultimate sign that the people send to those in power when they want to renegotiate the social contract.
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The single most worrisome aspect of the entire Trump era, even more worrisome than Trump himself, has been the general lack of apparent outrage.
This is how democracy dies — in full view of a public that couldn’t care less

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The French philosopher Montesquieu wrote in 1748: “The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy.” We are seeing his warning vindicated. President Trump is increasingly acting as a tyrannical (and erratic) prince. And yet much of the public is so inured to his misconduct that his latest assaults on the rule of law are met with a collective shrug. Public passivity is Trump’s secret weapon as he pursues his authoritarian agenda. “I have the right to do whatever I want,” he says, and the lack of pushback seems to confirm it.

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A recent Gallup poll found that Trump’s approval rating among Republicans — the supposed law-and-order party — is at a record-high 94 percent. His support in the country as a whole is only 43.4 percent in the FiveThirtyEight average, but he is still well positioned to win reelection, because most people seem to care a lot more about the strength of the stock market than about the strength of our democracy. This is how democracies die — not in darkness but in full view of a public that couldn’t care less.

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From the section you quoted, dasmoocher:

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A recent Gallup poll found that Trump’s approval rating among Republicans — the supposed law-and-order party — is at a record-high 94 percent.
In fact, this is a sign that his party is, in all likelihood, becoming smaller and smaller -- but more extreme. It's dangerous to assume that the dwindling size of the republican party is necessarily a good sign. It's still one of two mainstream political parties that functions viably in all states, counties, and municipalities in the United States. All over the country, the republican party is still quite capable of nominating judges, attorneys general, district attorneys, mayors, city managers, chiefs of police, sheriffs, constables, assessors, state representatives, state senators, and of course US representatives, US senators, and presidents. It's the more extreme part that should concern you: membership in this smaller, but still very powerful party, requires what is effectively a pledge to uphold the extreme. Fail to live up to that pledge, and you're out. For a reference, see Nazi Germany, and on that note, I bring up another late Weimar parallel:

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His support in the country as a whole is only 43.4 percent in the FiveThirtyEight average, but he is still well positioned to win reelection, because most people seem to care a lot more about the strength of the stock market than about the strength of our democracy.
Indeed.

The ever-dwindling Republican party, and a president with only 43% approval rating still has a chance to maintain, and possibly even expand their power later this year. Why? Because the parties are no longer big tents; they've splintered into smaller factions that increasingly find it difficult and painful to work with each other, even with members of their own party and with people whom they have mostly shared interests. The Republicans solved that problem: they exile anyone who fails to uphold the pledge. The Democrats, OTOH, are still trying to fight through some of their disagreements, but it's increasingly difficult. The progressive voter's or politician's equivalent may not be exile; it just might be staying home and dropping out of the process altogether until someone more palatable comes along: subverting and sabotaging intra-party opposition with an effective no-confidence vote with their feet. And this, my friends, is what worries me about Bernie Sanders' intrusion - yes, intrusion - into the Democratic politics.

People frequently point out that Trump's inability to maintain a high favorability rating is a sign of his weakness, and they're not completely wrong: he is historically the most unpopular president in the modern era. But because politics has become Balkanized, he can still win. The Republican party can still win. And it can win because it's about which tribe can energize its voters the most. Yes, the Democrats have potentially a larger coalition -- a potentially much larger coalition, in fact. But that coalition has to agree to work together, and it starts by agreeing to support each other at the polls, regardless of who is nominated to carry out that mantra. I believe that Sanders means it when he says he will support his current rivals should they win - I'm not bashing Sanders the man. But I worry like hell that his surrogates won't be there, that his supporters won't be there, that they will sabotage their current rivals instead of agreeing to cooperate with the much more venomous rival that progressives will face in November.

I'll remind people: Nazi Germany wasn't a military coup; it was an elected government - it won with just 37% of the actual vote, and it represented an even smaller minority of actual eligible voters. The Nazis began and for the longest time existed as an extremist faction - one that obstructed and created constitutional crises, just like the Republicans are now. One that conservatives thought for the longest time that they could use for their own purposes, just like now. One that gradually festered like a ravaging parasite within its ailing host and eventually consumed the entire system, perhaps like now.

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And yet I think a lot of people do care - they care a lot. But we have perpetually underestimated this threat, and we are under-responding to the ill-intentions that are perpetually manifest. Nixon was thrown out of power, but it wasn't just because both parties agreed on reality; in fact, I'd argue that there were two different realities back then just as there are now. I think there are many differences between now and then, but one critical difference that stands out in my mind is that information was massified, and they valued truth: there wasn't a parallel purveyor of alternative reality acting alongside Woodward and Bernstein when they uncovered Watergate. Not the case anymore.

But an even more important difference is that standards were higher. Expectations were higher. People expected more out of public office than what they get now. It doesn't mean that people were naive back then and that they assumed that politicians never strayed in their marriages or fail to pay back taxes; they just didn't make it the centerpiece of political discussion, but there was an expectation that public office was reserved for people who were responsible, mature, intellectual, and capable. Now there are no such expectations. We did elect a guy who bragged about groping women on a hot mic, after all.

Why was Nixon really thrown out of power? Because 1974 was on the heels of the Civil Rights marches, the anti-Vietnam war protests. People got out in the streets back then. They were willing to swell the local jails with scores of activists - and both republicans and democrats damn well knew it, too. That's just not the case now. In fact, republicans are banking on you not to get out into the streets. They're hedging on the assumption you won't.

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The American right has a 250-year history of championing authoritarianism and oligarchy.
Agreed, but don't believe that an ascendant left couldn't also flirt with authoritarianism. This is one serious problem I have with Bernie Sanders - maybe not so much the individual but some of those who embrace him. Sanders would never have been taken seriously even 10 years ago, but he's a credible now in the same way Trump is because everyone's angry. People, whether we're individuals or a group, don't generally make constructive decisions when we're angry. Anger is necessary for self-defense and survival. We need to have our empty stomachs and bloated bladders when dealing with the likes of a Trump and his ilk, but once it comes to putting it all back together again, I don't want Bernie Sanders, who basically promises to impose his will on markets, leading that effort. I want someone who governs through consensus and coalition building, not just vowing to shove a radical new system down corporate America's throats.
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...Who in the world ever thought in a million years that the entire senate (minus one) would not convict him of the heinous crimes he has committed? If all those old white men are that afraid of him something is very wrong with what I thought was a safe and controlled government...
The senate and GOP are not afraid of him. This is a party-driven power play using Trump as the means to an end. They are most afraid of losing the money/power gravy train to riches that full absolution from accountability of a fascist state can bring them.
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and Bernie worships Noriega and Castro.
Granted, this is The Pit... but my I have a cite for this please?
And, if I'm getting, my wish, the cherry on top would be for me to insist that it be from a reputable source and not some fat sweaty ranting maniac who sells clay for pregnant mothers to eat on the side for healthier 'farmer-babies' or is dying a slow and deservedly painful death from lung cancer.

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They are most afraid of losing the money/power gravy train to riches that full absolution from accountability of a fascist state can bring them.
Money just keeps them fat, lazy, and stupid. Money doesn't create loyalty, however. Mobsters knew that; it's why new krew members were required to 'make their bones' so the Fear of prison would keep them in line.
Fear. Fear is the single and only selling point of the GOP.
Why do you need to to look cool by smoking? Fear.
Why do you need more money than 4 generations could spend? Fear.
Why do you need a gun? Fear.

Now what is it that over-rides fear...? What is it that the GOP derides most? Courage and Ethics. (Romney's vote is my cite)
What will make a GOP Mob turn on you faster than saying 'Oy Vey' at a Nuremburg rally? A public display of Courage and Ethics.

I choose the Democratic Party... and I choose it because I have courage and ethics. Also, their product is Hope for the future. Personally, I prefer a life with Hope over a life with Fear, but maybe that's just me.
I prefer to work for candidates who want to make differences in America which both unify us as a people and add hope for us as a country. I'm not afraid of losing my personal time to march in the rain for causes I believe in and candidates who offer America hope. I find that it beats the Hell out of anything thats on TV anyway.
Maybe its how I want to be remembered: working for change instead of wearing out a couch.

YMMV


PS- The OP showed pictures of the ghetto uprising... and we've seen pictures on the news of brave masked men with their AR15s dressed up in their 4XL sized tactical uniforms.
I may not have a degree in history, but may I point something out?

When you were a kid playing RISK, and everyone had 'cards'... did the first person who used them ever win?
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising: In the end, who won...?
Shay's Rebellion: In the end, who won...?
Whiskey Rebellion: In the end, who won...?
Nat Turner's slave rebellion: In the end, who won...?
The Taos Revolt: In the end, who won...?
John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry: In the end, who won...?
The Civil War: In the end, who won...?
New York City draft riots ( aka 'Gangs of NY') In the end, who won...?


Just a subtle reminder to the 'Oh Ma Guns, Oh Ma Guns!' crowd that armed insurrection virtually never wins in America.
Oh, and since this is The Pit: Fuck You Trump.
Also, Fuck You Putin (and the horse you rode in on).
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Granted, this is The Pit... but my I have a cite for this please?
And, if I'm getting, my wish, the cherry on top would be for me to insist that it be from a reputable source and not some fat sweaty ranting maniac who sells clay for pregnant mothers to eat on the side for healthier 'farmer-babies' or is dying a slow and deservedly painful death from lung cancer.



Money just keeps them fat, lazy, and stupid. Money doesn't create loyalty, however. Mobsters knew that; it's why new krew members were required to 'make their bones' so the Fear of prison would keep them in line.
Fear. Fear is the single and only selling point of the GOP.
Why do you need to to look cool by smoking? Fear.
Why do you need more money than 4 generations could spend? Fear.
Why do you need a gun? Fear.

Now what is it that over-rides fear...? What is it that the GOP derides most? Courage and Ethics. (Romney's vote is my cite)
What will make a GOP Mob turn on you faster than saying 'Oy Vey' at a Nuremburg rally? A public display of Courage and Ethics.

I choose the Democratic Party... and I choose it because I have courage and ethics. Also, their product is Hope for the future. Personally, I prefer a life with Hope over a life with Fear, but maybe that's just me.
I prefer to work for candidates who want to make differences in America which both unify us as a people and add hope for us as a country. I'm not afraid of losing my personal time to march in the rain for causes I believe in and candidates who offer America hope. I find that it beats the Hell out of anything thats on TV anyway.
Maybe its how I want to be remembered: working for change instead of wearing out a couch.

YMMV


PS- The OP showed pictures of the ghetto uprising... and we've seen pictures on the news of brave masked men with their AR15s dressed up in their 4XL sized tactical uniforms.
I may not have a degree in history, but may I point something out?

When you were a kid playing RISK, and everyone had 'cards'... did the first person who used them ever win?
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising: In the end, who won...?
Shay's Rebellion: In the end, who won...?
Whiskey Rebellion: In the end, who won...?
Nat Turner's slave rebellion: In the end, who won...?
The Taos Revolt: In the end, who won...?
John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry: In the end, who won...?
The Civil War: In the end, who won...?
New York City draft riots ( aka 'Gangs of NY') In the end, who won...?


Just a subtle reminder to the 'Oh Ma Guns, Oh Ma Guns!' crowd that armed insurrection virtually never wins in America.
Oh, and since this is The Pit: Fuck You Trump.
Also, Fuck You Putin (and the horse you rode in on).

It's called sarcasm, dude, if you were hoping for a signed mash note that read, "Dear Manuel, I really like you. Do you like me? xxxxxxxxx Bernie."

Still, changing three planes, flying fourteen hours, and listening while a crowd chants they want to kill your countrymen pretty much requires sarcasm.

Sorry for the source; it's some shitty little rag.

Then again, I have somebody pitting me because I said Trump is a hatemonger, which is like objecting to calling whorehouse employees enthusiastically affectionate.

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Then again, I have somebody pitting me because I said Trump is a hatemonger, which is like objecting to calling whorehouse employees enthusiastically affectionate.
Actually you were pitted for saying that Bernie worships Noriega and Castro, but sure, lie about it. It makes you look good.
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Actually you were pitted for saying that Bernie worships Noriega and Castro, but sure, lie about it. It makes you look good.
Yeah, because hyperbole = lies. Because Saint Bernie's incredible gaffes must be judged only according to his fanboy's standards.

You bros really are proving me right. That asshole called me Trump but you little shitstains don't have a problem with that. OH NO A BAD WORD.
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Still, changing three planes, flying fourteen hours, and listening while a crowd chants they want to kill your countrymen pretty much requires sarcasm.

Sorry for the source; it's some shitty little rag.

So... 35 Years Ago? Think about that... 35 years... what were You writing 35 years ago and would it pass muster here?


"Dear Mrs. Jones,

On my summer vacation I learned that I like girls who wear shoulder pads and Flock of Seagulls. And I wanna 10mm like Sonny Crockett so I can shoot those funny-speaking Brown people.
They're all drug dealers anyway..."
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So... 35 Years Ago? Think about that... 35 years... what were You writing 35 years ago and would it pass muster here?


"Dear Mrs. Jones,

On my summer vacation I learned that I like girls who wear shoulder pads and Flock of Seagulls. And I wanna 10mm like Sonny Crockett so I can shoot those funny-speaking Brown people.
They're all drug dealers anyway..."

Pick one standard and stick with it. If his little adventure with Noriega is off limits, then he has to shut up about that one march fifty some years ago.

Which is it?

Bernie Bros call Hillary a Goldwater Girl but neglect to mention she was a sixteen-year-old schoolgirl living with her parents and a private citizen. Bernie's skeezy essays about "Old Bitches" and thirteen-year-olds having sex and babies because "nature" decided that was the right time for it is off limits. He was in his thirties at the time and a deadbeat dad, but again, something thirty five years ago is irrelevant while something fifty odd years ago must be brought up and burnished at every opportunity.
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I choose the Democratic Party... and I choose it because I have courage and ethics. Also, their product is Hope for the future. Personally, I prefer a life with Hope over a life with Fear, but maybe that's just me.
I prefer to work for candidates who want to make differences in America which both unify us as a people and add hope for us as a country. I'm not afraid of losing my personal time to march in the rain for causes I believe in and candidates who offer America hope.
I admire and applaud your efforts. If I were still in my 40's or 50's and lived in the U.S. I'd likely be out marching with you.

But I'm less hopeful than you. The Left is too disorganized; it fights among itself, and selects the wrong issues to emphasize. Look at the utter collapse of OWS several years ago.

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... However let me defend the man I am proud to call my 1st cousin 6x removed! The Civil War became a horrid bloody war, and many in the North thought it should be ended. But Brown's martyrdom inspired many Northerners with a Cause that they pursued with almost religious fervor. It might well be that Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry led to the Emancipation of America's slaves.
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Because 1972 was on the heels of the Civil Rights marches, the anti-Vietnam war protests. People got out to the polls back then. Electing a 'law and order' Republican was exactly what middle America wanted. Swelling the local jails with scores of activists was what they wanted.

Your turn, I expect a decent insult, try hard!

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Because 1972 was on the heels of the Civil Rights marches, the anti-Vietnam war protests. People got out to the polls back then. Electing a 'law and order' Republican was exactly what middle America wanted. Swelling the local jails with scores of activists was what they wanted.

Your turn, I expect a decent insult, try hard!

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Right, but did they get a law and order president, or a lawless president? You tell me, smartass.

My point was, compared to now, people weren't going to tolerate Nixon's bullshit, once it was revealed. It took a lot of investigative journalism, some hearings, some tapes for people to recognize the shit stains on Nixon's dirty drawers, but it was apparent that, unlike now, people weren't going to accept a lawless president. In case you missed, you senile fucking tool, that was the point.

I'll conclude by saying that maybe you should stop pulling the "I was alive then" card. Guess someone should point out that your posting "acumen" (lol) is a bit off. You're losing your acuity, pops. Go fuck with someone on the JV squad, 'cause I own your geriatric ass.
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Right, but did they get a law and order president, or a lawless president? You tell me, smartass.

My point was, compared to now, people weren't going to tolerate Nixon's bullshit, once it was revealed. It took a lot of investigative journalism, some hearings, some tapes for people to recognize the shit stains on Nixon's dirty drawers, but it was apparent that, unlike now, people weren't going to accept a lawless president. In case you missed, you senile fucking tool, that was the point.

I'll conclude by saying that maybe you should stop pulling the "I was alive then" card. Guess someone should point out that your posting "acumen" (lol) is a bit off. You're losing your acuity, pops. Go fuck with someone on the JV squad, 'cause I own your geriatric ass.
People were more than willing to tolerate Nixon's bullshit, once it was revealed. Nixon's bullshit was compared to Kennedy's.
"Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal." wasn't dismissed with a chortle.

And you forgot 'boomer'!

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People were more than willing to tolerate Nixon's bullshit, once it was revealed. Nixon's bullshit was compared to Kennedy's.
"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." wasn't dismissed with a chortle.
Right, according to your ole 'Lemme sip some moonshine while I talk shit about ole times,' fuzzy-ass memory anecdotes.

You forgot: Republicans caved. I'm guessing that people who do politics for a living are smarter than you and realized that people weren't going to tolerate Nixon's bullshit as much as you imagine they would have.
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Right, according to your ole 'Lemme sip some moonshine while I talk shit about ole times,' fuzzy-ass memory anecdotes.

You forgot: Republicans caved. I'm guessing that people who do politics for a living are smarter than you and realized that people weren't going to tolerate Nixon's bullshit as much as you imagine they would have.
You forgot 'boomer' again.

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See my latest post in The Trump Administration Clusterfuck thread. Out of concern for violating the crossposting policy I'll let you ook it up yourself. Go ahead, it will allay some of your fear.
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