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And gee, look, AMI is based in New York City, NY, and Boca Raton, FL!
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I'm looking forward to seeing how the lawyers try to squirm out from under those state charges.
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Lets skip ahead a year and suppose AMI is tried and found guilty and convicted. How does that look? Is the corporation guilty? Corporations can only pay fines, they can’t go to jail. Are natural persons owning the corporation, or profiting from it ( shareholders) or working with it, ( employees) or for it, ( hired lawyers) fined or going to jail?
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Letís see. An entertainment magazine got a hold of embarrassing naked pictures of the owner of a major news outlet, and threatened to release those pictures unless the major news outlet changed its reporting and printed lies for dissemination to the American public. Furthermore, there is reason to believe this action was coordinated with people in the highest levels of government, in part to cover up the murder of a reporter by a sovereign government, a government with business ties to the entertainment magazine.

And there is debate over whether this is illegal or even wrong or even bad? Just how far down the rabbit hole have we fallen?

But to answer your question, the non-prosecution document clearly says that can be questioned about absolutely anything for the next 3 years, they donít have to prove a connection to the existing campaign finance case. And if weíve learned anything in the past few years, itís that federal prosecutors are hard-assed about pretty much everything.

And I donít think it will look like they are working on behalf of Bezos. I donít think enough attention is being paid to the ďthey were trying to force a major news outlet to print liesĒ part of the scandal. The American people were the intended victims.

This article has an interesting slant, the author points out that AMIís actions are clearly criminal at the state level in both NY and FL. In NY itís 2nd degree coercion, in FL itís threats extortion. Neither of those laws has a requirement regarding ďthing of valueĒ,and they both fit the current situation perfectly.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-SDNY-with-AMI

And the prosecution agreement doesnít specify federal crimes, so committing state crimes would violate the agreement.
Okay, thanks. That puts my mind at ease, wrt Pecker and Dildo being able to wriggle out of this one.

And eschereal, weíd been given to understand that there was a persuasive, if not convincing, argument for characterizing this as a civil matter (more so than a mugging would be); I was concerned about the bad guys being in a position to spin prosecutorial pursuit as a politically-motivated ďfavorĒ to Bezos.

Not that I donít expect them to anyway.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:28 AM
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Lets skip ahead a year and suppose AMI is tried and found guilty and convicted. How does that look? Is the corporation guilty? Corporations can only pay fines, they canít go to jail. Are natural persons owning the corporation, or profiting from it ( shareholders) or working with it, ( employees) or for it, ( hired lawyers) fined or going to jail?
It depends on what is discovered. Blackmail and extortion are felonies, and they are committed by the person who actually commits the crime.

You can't call someone and tell them to give you $1000 or your tell their wife they're cheating, and then say "I didn't do that, my company did that". Nor can you send your security manager to murder your competitor and say "My company did that. Fine it!"
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I'm sure that one of America's most popular "information" sources committing crimes to protect a pair of Putin-style kleptocrats is fun to discuss in a sort of "can you believe this timeline?" way ("Is this a political thriller film? Wake me when it's over.") ...

... But what I want to know is ...
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... I guess Iíve never read the actual text of an immunity agreement, but Iíd be autofocus it were so difficult to enforce.
... was "autofocus" brought to us by a zealous automated spell-checker? Or do you have a weird typing aphasia similar to mine?
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It’s damn autocorrect
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Can you find any cite of any court case where the threat to release privately taken non-commercial naked selfies was treated as a legitimate negotiating point?
make that "illegally obtained, privately taken non-commercial naked selfies".

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Itís damn autocorrect
I'm kind of surprised that Autocorrect isn't self-protective enough to detect when it's being cursed, and change the cursee.

As in: you type 'Damned autocorrect!' but it comes out 'Damned auditorium!'

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The source of the leak has been identified. Lauren Sanchezís brother, Michael. He is a big Trump supporter.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mistre...say-7?ref=home
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Well that's going to make for an awkward Thanksgiving Dinner.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:13 AM
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And did he have any sort of legitimate access to her phone?
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:04 AM
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Well that's going to make for an awkward Thanksgiving Dinner.
No worries.

He'll phone in from his cell block.
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...Blackmail and extortion are felonies, and they are committed by the person who actually commits the crime.

You can't call someone and tell them to give you $1000 or your tell their wife they're cheating, and then say "I didn't do that, my company did that". Nor can you send your security manager to murder your competitor and say "My company did that. Fine it!"
Interesting. And pertaining to the guilt of lawyers and fixers like Michael Cohen.
[Tangent}, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the increasing number of companies who offer services that are later found to be illegal or scams. Like too-agressive debt collecting that borders on deceitful intimidation. Or selling fake "health supplements". In all of these cases, will the actual schmucks/douchebags that phoned the marks, be liable for any punishment. [/end tangent].

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The source of the leak has been identified. Lauren Sanchez’s brother, Michael. He is a big Trump supporter.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mistre...say-7?ref=home
That would be punishable as revenge porn, right? Or is such crime only applicable if his sister ( of Bezos, as the other victim) presses charges? https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-penalties.htm
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States are starting to criminalize revenge porn with specific criminal statutes. ...New Jersey’s invasion of privacy law, enacted in 2004 (before revenge porn came to national attention), prohibits selling, providing, publishing, distributing, or otherwise disseminating nude or sexual photos of another person without that person’s permission (the penalty is a three-to-five year prison sentence or a fine up to $30,000). Wisconsin’s statute is similar (nine months’ imprisonment, and/or a fine up to $10,000), as is Idaho’s (five years imprisonment and/or a fine up to $50,000)...

Although no specific Federal law targets revenge porn, a bill introduced by Representative Jackie Speier (D-Calif) in 2016 (and slated for reintroduction in 2017) attemtps to do just that.
The Enquirer may get away with this easily if they just get fined for dessiminating revenge porn. A fine of 30 K max... but then the civil suit may be where the real blows are dealt.

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Old 02-11-2019, 11:18 AM
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That would be punishable as revenge porn, right? Or is such crime only applicable if his sister ( of Bezos, as the other victim) presses charges? ...
IANAL, but I would like to think that: "No, my brother did not have my permission to dig around on my phone, now that you mention it." would be enough.
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Even if the criminal penalty for revenge porn is small and easily-absorbed by a company like AMI (in fact, they've probably come up against that law before, and just wrote it off as a cost of doing business), it's still a violation of their immunity agreement, which could have huge consequences. Especially since that immunity agreement is relevant to their connections to bigger fish. Remember, sweet though it would be to throw Pecker in jail, that's not the endgame.
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The Atlantic about the legal ramifications of sextortion. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ortion/582466/

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No worries.

He'll phone in from his cell block.
Who will he borrow the phone from?
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The source of the leak has been identified. Lauren Sanchezís brother, Michael. He is a big Trump supporter.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mistre...say-7?ref=home
When he opens his next Amazon order he's going to be in for a big surprise.
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National Enquirer’s parent company paid $200,000 to the brother of Lauren Sanchez—reported mistress of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos—for “racy” text messages as evidence of their affair, The Wall Street Journal reports
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nation...-for-texts-wsj

I didn't realize the National Enquirer paid that well...
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I didn't realize the National Enquirer paid that well...
That's more than they paid Karen McDougal.
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The decision to sell came after the hedge fund manager whose firm controls American Media became “disgusted” with the Enquirer’s reporting tactics, according to one of these people.
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Bezos just has to buy it. First he can release all of the anti Trump stuff that theyíre sitting on and then he can shut it down.
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The decision to sell came after the hedge fund manager whose firm controls American Media became “disgusted” with the Enquirer’s reporting tactics, according to one of these people.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED to find that sleazy reporting is going on in here!
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Bezos just has to buy it. First he can release all of the anti Trump stuff that theyíre sitting on and then he can shut it down.

It's be funnier if he turned it into an actual newspaper, and then we all placed bets on how long it takes their readership to notice the difference.
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Were he truly disgusted, he would be seeking to liquidate it rather than sell it off to someone else who could keep doing the same thing.
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It's be funnier if he turned it into an actual newspaper, and then we all placed bets on how long it takes their readership to notice the difference.
That's the possibility that I'm hoping for.
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Were he truly disgusted, he would be seeking to liquidate it rather than sell it off to someone else who could keep doing the same thing.
I liked Rachael Maddow's take on it. She said "It takes some work to disgust a hedge fund manager."
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I happened to see that bit, but got the impression that her point was that said manager was cheerfully cashing National Enquirer checks for quite some time, but had just recently seen the darkness and smelled the stink.
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I happened to see that bit, but got the impression that her point was that said manager was cheerfully cashing National Enquirer checks for quite some time, but had just recently seen the darkness and smelled the stink.


Well, put yourself in his shoes.

How often does well-paid hedge fund manage go to the supermarket? He's got people who do that for him. They've no doubt told him that it's an excellent news source.
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It's be funnier if he turned it into an actual newspaper, and then we all placed bets on how long it takes their readership to notice the difference.
1. They should keep the headline writers and layout editors. Example: That huge type they use says "WHITE HOUSE SHOCKER!" accompanied by a pic of Trump with his combover blowing in the breeze and the angle makes him look even fatter than he is. More likely though they make the cover story be about some Hollywood star dying or getting arrested or whatever, with the Trump stuff inside. (I never read more than the headlines when in the grocery store checkout lane, but I think they may be doing this now.)

2. The first month they publish articles about the Trump admin that are just slightly negative. Month 2 more negative. By month 5 they should be telling it like it truly is -- but still in the Enquirer style.

There's about 20 months to the election. Timed just right it could have a measurable impact on the vote.
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I think he should make it look like this
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The hack? Where the Enquirer got the photos?

It was performed by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia himself, who hacked Bezos' phone while Whatsapping with Bezos.

Yes, that is right: the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia *personally* hacked the phone of the world's richest person, a man who owns the Washington Post, and, within months:

1. Sent the pictures to AMI to extort Bezos
2. Killed Khashoggi

https://amp.theguardian.com/technolo...mpression=true

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1. Jeff Bezos's phone was hacked through his Whatsapp account
2. The exploit came *directly* from MBS's personal phone, a few days after they exchanged numbers
3. The Saudis were in Bezos's phone from May 2018 till February 2019
4. The Bezos hack was not about Amazon. It was about the Washington Post
5. There is an extensive forensic report upcoming
6. Full details around this will become available to the public in a few months
7. Yes it was Pegasus, the cyberweapon made by Israeli company NSO
8. You think you're safe if you use Signal with disappearing messages? Think again
9. Between May and October 2018, the Saudis also hacked many others. All were about free speech, not business.


https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/...042159616?s=19

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And I thought the producers of “What the Fuck is Happening to Life as We Know It” had hit their high mark a few episodes ago when a dick-waving contest resulted in IRAN shooting down a BOEING airliner from UKRAINE that was filled with CANADIANS ( for that random wildcard effect )

But this weeks episode may be a new highwater mark for zany insanity, especially considering all the other plot lines that are active. It must be sweeps week!
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But Saudi Arabia is the best friend that the US has after Russia....
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I teach cybersecurity for a living. My area of specialty is computer forensics. My expert opinion of this story is: what the actual fuck? I... I just... I can't.

I saw this story hit today and I haven't had a chance to dig into it. I hope to get some time to pore over it tomorrow, but by then I'm sure some other batshit crazy thing will have popped up that will distract me from this.

In the meantime, I see the evil logic in the Saudis getting into Bezos's phone to get information on Khashoggi. But why would they turn over the pics to AMI? What do they have to gain from extorting Bezos? Unless it went something like this:
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Oh, and yeah, as JohnT's quote says -- WhatsApp and Signal encrypt messages in transit, so they give you decent protection from snooping between your phone and the other person's. But if your adversary compromises either endpoint, you're fucked. End-to-end encryption is great and all, but the messages still have to be shown in plain text so the humans on each end can read them.
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But Saudi Arabia is the best friend that the US has after Russia....
With friends like those, who needs enemies?
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If the Arabs did not have oil nobody would care about them. Sadly the world runs on oil so we have to deal with those nutjobs/dictators/fanatics etc. All the more reason to get off oil.

With no oil they would just be like all those countries in Africa that almost no Western countries care about except sending some humanitarian aid from time to time.
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I have to wonder it MBS sent Trump a video on WhatsApp?
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So wait -- what part of this story did I miss?

Now it's Saudi Arabia that hacked and got the pics and gave them to AMI.

Last year it was Bezos's girlfriend's brother who got the pics (somehow) and gave them to AMI. Where does he fit in this scheme now? Was he an intermediary somewhere on this underground railroad?
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