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Old 01-29-2020, 05:08 PM
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Wait a minute. Has Bolton committed a crime?


Former National Security Adviser John Bolton is intending to publish a book in March recounting his experiences in the Trump White House. As is standard procedure for such an undertaking, Bolton (or his publisher) submitted a manuscript for the National Security Council to review.

Today, Trump's representative , Patrick Philbin, told the Senate “Ambassador Bolton was notified that the manuscript he submitted includes classified information, including at the top secret level, so in the current form it can't be published, but they will work with him as expeditiously as possible to provide guidance so it can be revised and he can tell his story.”

So, taking Philbin's words as truth, has Bolton committed a crime? Consider all the people involved in the creation of his book: editors, publishers, a ghostwriter or two, fact-checkers, etc. Presumably they do not all have Top Secret security clearances. Can Bolton be in trouble for revealing top secret info to them?
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So, taking Philbin's words as truth,
I'm sorry; I'm stuck here. Why would I do this?
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So, taking Philbin's words as truth
Well, that requires enough generosity to qualify for sainthood, but just for the sake of argument... I don't think it fair to assume Bolton shared classified info. Let someone name a specific unauthorized recipient before making the accusation.
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In general, people with security classifications write books all the time, and this process of NSC review prior to publication is very routine. Presumably these books are also being read by publishers, ghostwriters and so forth; so I don't know exactly how that works legally, but I don't see any reason to think that Bolton in particular did anything wrong here. Conceivably the person who leaked the info to the NYT could be in some legal jeopardy should they be identified, though.
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Conceivably the person who leaked the info to the NYT could be in some legal jeopardy should they be identified, though.
Given this administration, I'd say it's 50-50 that was Philbin.
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So, taking Philbin's words as truth, has Bolton committed a crime? Consider all the people involved in the creation of his book: editors, publishers, a ghostwriter or two, fact-checkers, etc. Presumably they do not all have Top Secret security clearances. Can Bolton be in trouble for revealing top secret info to them?
Well, as long as we are making up conspirators for Bolton's manuscript, why not throw out George RR Martin and Margret Atwood's name in there too, eh?

Has anybody but Bolton or the White House even seen the entire manuscript (I'm sure CNN hasn't yet)?

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Old 01-29-2020, 07:50 PM
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Who is Patrick Philbin, again?
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Old 01-29-2020, 07:52 PM
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Regis Philbin's evil twin.
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Old 01-29-2020, 07:55 PM
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Regis Philbin's name always reminded me of this really cool Rory Gallagher song, Philby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiRwSE28FZs
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In general, people with security classifications write books all the time, and this process of NSC review prior to publication is very routine.
Long ago, maybe. But it is getting worse, See:

https://knightcolumbia.org/content/g...constitutional

I advise googling the word:

overclassified

Something can be top secret even after being published in a newspaper.

John Bolton is, to me, no saint, but he is a good enough man to avoid publishing a real secret, like the name of a U.S. spy infiltrated in an Iranian nuclear facility, or the schematic for how we fit an H-bomb onto one of our smaller missiles. I doubt he even knows any of that.

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I'm sorry; I'm stuck here. Why would I do this?
Seriously.

Bolton has had at least four (possibly six)* books on politics and foreign policy published. He is well-acquainted---as is his current publisher and their respective attorneys--with the process of scrubbing a manuscript of any potential classified or sensitive information.

If a claim is made by the Trump administration that classified information is revealed in the new book, look carefully at the dates the information was classified.

The odds are very good that those dates will fall within the past few days.



*There's another John Bolton with a lot of books that come up in any search. The closest I've come to a list of books by this John Bolton is here:
https://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Bolto...rwt_scns_share
The "six" number is one I've heard in commentary, but I haven't found a site that lists all six.
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Regis Philbin's evil twin.
Is that your ... ultimate response?
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According to somebody at CNN: Bolton asserts that there is nothing classified in his book.

The questions did come up:

(1) Did any political appointees or operatives in the Administration see the manuscript?
(That is, people who are not career NSC people.)

(2) Was any of that stuff declared classified only after NSC saw the manuscript?
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Old 01-29-2020, 11:27 PM
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any and all knowledge of anything bolton does, or does not know, about the current administration has been retroactively declared super duper top secret and would affect national security since it would lead to the impeachment of our dear leader.

At this point, Bolton is unable to read the mcdonalds menu since that is also top secret - they don't call it "secret sauce" for nothing.
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My own conspiracy theory: The White House has had the ms for a month and Bolton realized it was going to be blocked, so he leaked it or some juicy parts of it. Just to get it out in public that the orange monster had really ordered the $391 M held back, until...
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