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Old 02-13-2020, 04:38 PM
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Is the boy currently alive? Not sure

Is he known for anything other than putting his fingers in his ears? I don't think so

Was he filmed doing it? Yes

Was he photographed doing it? No
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Old 02-13-2020, 04:58 PM
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Was the kid in a feature film?

Television?
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Old 02-13-2020, 05:58 PM
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In 1959, a little boy put a finger in each ear. No one cared at the time, but he really should not have done this. Indeed people still talk about and remember this action now. Why?
Is it the kid in North by Northwest who knew some kind of explosion was going to go(or gun shots) so he plugged his ears before the "bang" happened?

Note: did not cheat, but the image of a kid with his fingers in his ears made me remember this moment in the movie.
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:28 PM
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Is it the kid in North by Northwest who knew some kind of explosion was going to go(or gun shots) so he plugged his ears before the "bang" happened?

Note: did not cheat, but the image of a kid with his fingers in his ears made me remember this moment in the movie.
Yes
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Detective Smith and his team were aggressively pursuing the tail of the worst serial killer in the history of their police force. 40 murders or attempted murders, probably more that went undiscovered. Suddenly, Smith and his team called off all investigations. Why?
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Old 02-16-2020, 09:03 PM
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Was the killer human?
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Were the individuals who were killed human?

Does it matter when this happens?

Does it matter where it happens?

Was the identity of the killer known to Detective Smith?
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Was the killer human?
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Were the individuals who were killed human?

YES

Does it matter when this happens?

NO

Does it matter where it happens?

NO

Was the identity of the killer known to Detective Smith?

NO
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Old 02-17-2020, 12:56 AM
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Did someone else take over the investigation?

Was there a change in law that legalized what the killer was accused of?

Was there any change in government or civil adminstration?
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Did a different police force solve the crime?
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Is this based on true events?

Is this based on a fictional story?

Is this something that could happen in the real world?

Is Detective Smith working in a precinct?

Is this in the U.S.?

Was his team made of people?

More than three?

More than ten?

The tail they were pursuing was not a literal tail, was it?

Was the serial killer an actual serial killer (as in defined as such by, for instance, the FBI)?

Was the history of their police force particularly brief?

Were the attempted murders included in that 40-victim tally?

Did Smith call off the investigation?

Did an external authority call off the investigation?
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Was Smith's calling off of the investigation an ethical action (as defined by standard police professional ethics)?

Did Smith call off the investigation because of something new he learned about the suspect?

At the time Smith called off the investigation, was the suspect alive?

Is a statute of limitations relevant?

Was Smith the top authority in his police force?

Was Smith ordered by someone else to call off the investigation?
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Is the manner of deaths relevant?

Was the manner of death the same for all of the victims?

(If yes to both of the above) Were the deaths by poison?

At the time that he called off the investigation, would Smith have said that the deaths were murder?
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Detective Smith and his team were aggressively pursuing the tail of the worst serial killer in the history of their police force. 40 murders or attempted murders, probably more that went undiscovered. Suddenly, Smith and his team called off all investigations. Why?


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Did someone else take over the investigation?

NO

Was there a change in law that legalized what the killer was accused of?

NO

Was there any change in government or civil adminstration?

NO
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Did a different police force solve the crime?
NO

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Is this based on true events?

YES

Is this based on a fictional story?

NO

Is this something that could happen in the real world?

YES

Is Detective Smith working in a precinct?

YES

Is this in the U.S.?

NO

Was his team made of people?

YES

More than three?

YES, though I don't know the number.

More than ten?

Again, I don't know. IRRELEVANT.

The tail they were pursuing was not a literal tail, was it?

NO

Was the serial killer an actual serial killer (as in defined as such by, for instance, the FBI)?

YES, probably.

Was the history of their police force particularly brief?

NO

Were the attempted murders included in that 40-victim tally?

YES. We don't know how many for sure because not all were discovered(we presume).

Did Smith call off the investigation?

YES

Did an external authority call off the investigation?

YES(probably along with Smith)
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Was Smith's calling off of the investigation an ethical action (as defined by standard police professional ethics)?

YES

Did Smith call off the investigation because of something new he learned about the suspect?

YES and NO

At the time Smith called off the investigation, was the suspect alive?

YES, we presume so.

Is a statute of limitations relevant?

NO

Was Smith the top authority in his police force?

NO

Was Smith ordered by someone else to call off the investigation?

YES and NO. I'm not sure, but it is clear he would have been.
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Is the manner of deaths relevant?

NO

Was the manner of death the same for all of the victims?

IRRELEVANT

(If yes to both of the above) Were the deaths by poison?

IRRELEVANT(probably not, if you care)

At the time that he called off the investigation, would Smith have said that the deaths were murder?

YES
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Old 02-17-2020, 12:34 PM
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So Smith learned new information, but not about the suspect?

Did he call off the investigation on the whole set of murders?

Only on the suspect?

Were the alleged murders actual murders?

Which century? XXI? XX? XIX? XVIII? XVII?

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Old 02-17-2020, 02:21 PM
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So Smith learned new information, but not about the suspect?

NO, he learned new information that included information on the suspect.

Did he call off the investigation on the whole set of murders?

NO, I don't think so. No way.

Only on the suspect?

YES

Were the alleged murders actual murders?

YES

Which century? XXI? XX? XIX? XVIII? XVII?

End of 20th and beginning of 21st. The investigation was ongoing for YEARS.
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At the time that Smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of Smith's knowledge, exactly one murderer?

At the time that Smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of Smith's knowledge, more than one murderer?
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At the time that Smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of Smith's knowledge, exactly one murderer?

NO

At the time that Smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of Smith's knowledge, more than one murderer?

YES
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Does "calling off the investigation" mean they finally had enough evidence to convict?
Was jurisdiction lost because of shifting national boundaries?
Was jurisdiction lost because of a political action?
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Old 02-17-2020, 02:42 PM
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scratch previous response; i misread the question!

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at the time that smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of smith's knowledge, exactly one murderer?

I believe they thought so, yes. Most likely, anyway.

At the time that smith called off the investigation, was there, to the best of smith's knowledge, more than one murderer?

They did not think so, no.
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Does "calling off the investigation" mean they finally had enough evidence to convict?
Was jurisdiction lost because of shifting national boundaries?
Was jurisdiction lost because of a political action?
NO to all.
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Was there something about the suspect that exculpated him?

Was there something about the victims that exculpated the suspect?

Was there some sort of forensic improvement that exculpated the suspect?

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Was there something about the suspect that exculpated him?

YES

Was there something about the victims that exculpated the suspect?

NO, not that I am aware of.

Was there some sort of forensic improvement that exculpated the suspect?

NO
You guys are going down the right paths of thought. This one is kind of fun.
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Was there an assumption made that they realized was not true?

For example, were the bodies of the victims unusually well-preserved, so that they were assumed to be more recently killed?

Was the investigation called off because it would be embarrassing to the government of the jurisdiction?

Was it called off because it was thought that the perpetrator would not be a threat anymore?

Would the perpetrator actually not be a threat anymore?

I forget if this was covered -- was the perpetrator actually human?
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Was there an assumption made that they realized was not true?

YES, I think that is fair to say.

For example, were the bodies of the victims unusually well-preserved, so that they were assumed to be more recently killed?

Nice example, but NO.

Was the investigation called off because it would be embarrassing to the government of the jurisdiction?

NO, but possibly YES. I'm not totally sure. Possibly?

Was it called off because it was thought that the perpetrator would not be a threat anymore?

NO

Would the perpetrator actually not be a threat anymore?

NO

I forget if this was covered -- was the perpetrator actually human?

YES
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Was the suspect physically incapable of committing the murders?

Did the suspect have an alibi? Meaning they were proven to be elsewhere during the murders.

Was the suspect in prison?

Was the suspect one of the murder victims?
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Had the suspect changed identity?
Had somebody else framed the chief suspect?
Did the suspect make some kind of deal with prosecutors?
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Was the suspect physically incapable of committing the murders?

NO

Did the suspect have an alibi? Meaning they were proven to be elsewhere during the murders.

YES, I think so. Though this was actually not the issue.

Was the suspect in prison?

NO

Was the suspect one of the murder victims?

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Had the suspect changed identity?

NO(I am not sure what you mean. If you mean name change or something...no).

Had somebody else framed the chief suspect?

NO

Did the suspect make some kind of deal with prosecutors?

NO
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:51 AM
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Did Smith learn something about the murderer that proved it wasn't the suspect?

Did Smith learn something about the suspect that proved he wasn't the murderer?

Would an outside observer (such as the FBI) conclude that Smith should never have pursued the suspect in the first place?
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Did Smith learn something about the murderer that proved it wasn't the suspect?

NO

Did Smith learn something about the suspect that proved he wasn't the murderer?

YES.

Would an outside observer (such as the FBI) conclude that Smith should never have pursued the suspect in the first place?

NO, only if they were judgmental. Hindsight is 20-20, so they definitely could have suggested that. I think most investigative organizations would not judge so harshly. Perhaps I'm wrong, though.
I carefully read and re-read your first two questions to make sure I understood their difference and meaning. I believe I answered correctly. They did NOT learn something about the murderer, but DID learn something about the suspect.
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Was the thing they learned about the suspect...

A physical or mental disability or illness of some sort?

A physical trait that is not usually considered a disability? (E.g., blood type, height, left-handedness, etc.)

A skill the suspect did not have? (E.g., the suspect can't drive, and the murders must have been committed by someone who could?)

A skill the suspect DID have? (I'm not even sure what an example of this would be, but who knows...)

Some aspect of the suspect's background or past?

There is a real perpetrator out there, correct, even though this particular suspect is innocent?

If yes, is there some (relevant) reason Detective Smith did not continue the investigation until the real perpetrator was caught?
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Was there a physical attribute of the suspect that proved he couldn't have been the murderer?
Gender?
Mental?
Age?
Other?
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Was the thing they learned about the suspect...

A physical or mental disability or illness of some sort?

NO

A physical trait that is not usually considered a disability? (E.g., blood type, height, left-handedness, etc.)

NO

A skill the suspect did not have? (E.g., the suspect can't drive, and the murders must have been committed by someone who could?)

NO

A skill the suspect DID have? (I'm not even sure what an example of this would be, but who knows...)

NO

Some aspect of the suspect's background or past?

YES

There is a real perpetrator out there, correct, even though this particular suspect is innocent?

YES.

If yes, is there some (relevant) reason Detective Smith did not continue the investigation until the real perpetrator was caught?

YES - Note: investigations may have continued, but in a dramatically different way. This investigation did not continue; I am assuming some investigations did continue. Hard to explain...
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Gender?
Mental?
Age?
Other?
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Was the suspect one of a set of identical twins?
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Was the suspect one of a set of identical twins?
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Was there anything unusual or noteworthy about the suspect?

Was there some sort of alibi for the suspect?
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Was there anything unusual or noteworthy about the suspect?

Was there some sort of alibi for the suspect?
YES to both.
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Was the unusual thing about the subject (at least in part) a genetic trait?
Was the unusual thing about the subject (at least in part) an acquired trait?
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Mahaloth, I asked you "Was there a physical attribute of the suspect that proved he couldn't have been the murderer? Gender? Mental? Age? Other?" and you said no. Yet, you said yes to Go_Arachnid_Laser's "Was there anything unusual or noteworthy about the suspect?" Clarify if you would.
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Mahaloth, I asked you "Was there a physical attribute of the suspect that proved he couldn't have been the murderer? Gender? Mental? Age? Other?" and you said no. Yet, you said yes to Go_Arachnid_Laser's "Was there anything unusual or noteworthy about the suspect?" Clarify if you would.
It's probably something about the suspect's lifestyle?

His work?

His friends?

His hobbies?

The place he was living at the moment?

Something cultural?

His religion?

His sex life?

Addictions?
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Was the unusual thing about the subject (at least in part) a genetic trait?
Was the unusual thing about the subject (at least in part) an acquired trait?
NO - though could you define acquired trait for me? I want to make sure I understand what you mean.

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Mahaloth, I asked you "Was there a physical attribute of the suspect that proved he couldn't have been the murderer? Gender? Mental? Age? Other?" and you said no. Yet, you said yes to Go_Arachnid_Laser's "Was there anything unusual or noteworthy about the suspect?" Clarify if you would.
I stand by my answer. I don't see what to clarify. Please feel free to ask again in different wording if you like and I will happily answer again.

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It's probably something about the suspect's lifestyle?

YES

His work?

YES

His friends?

NO

His hobbies?

NO

The place he was living at the moment?

NO

Something cultural?

NO

His religion?

NO

His sex life?

NO

Addictions?

NO
yep
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Did he have a work-based alibi?

Was he connected to the victims by forensic evidence, but it was explained by his profession?

Was he connected in some other way, not by forensic evidence, but it was explained by his profession?

Did police have a DNA profile they thought was the perpetrator's, but then when the profile was connected to the suspect, it became clear they were not the actual perpetrator?

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Did he have a work-based alibi?

YES, I guess you could say that.

Was he connected to the victims by forensic evidence, but it was explained by his profession?

YES

Was he connected in some other way, not by forensic evidence, but it was explained by his profession?

NO

Did police have a DNA profile they thought was the perpetrator's, but then when the profile was connected to the suspect, it became clear they were not the actual perpetrator?

YES
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Was the suspect in the crime scenes?

Was he a forensics expert?

Oh, god, he wasn't some coroner boinking the bodies, was he?
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Was the suspect in the crime scenes?

Was he a forensics expert?

Oh, god, he wasn't some coroner boinking the bodies, was he?
No to everything.
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Was It Smith's own DNA that the forensic experts kept finding at the scene. i.e. was he chasing his own tail?
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Was It Smith's own DNA that the forensic experts kept finding at the scene. i.e. was he chasing his own tail?
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But to expand that a bit, was it the DNA of some other employee of the police force and/or someone who worked with the force?
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But to expand that a bit, was it the DNA of some other employee of the police force and/or someone who worked with the force?
NO

(I am loving this puzzle so far)

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News photographer?

Police photographer.

Person who collected evidence.

Person who stored evidence?

Lab worker?

Ambulance driver?

Treating doctor, nurse, orderly?

Once they realized who the DNA profile donor was, did they realize the murders and attempted murders were not all connected? I.e., the DNA profile is what had linked them in the first place?
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