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Old 02-07-2020, 10:10 AM
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NFL - OFFSEASON of Mist and mellow fruitfulness


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Well, the Kansas City Chiefs are the Super Bowl Champs and damn, they look good. Congrats to Andy Reid, he's been so good for so long, it's nice to see him finally win the big game. I hope he's as good a person as he appears to be at first glance. And, although it's beating a dead horse at this point, I still smile anytime I read about how the Bears could have had Patrick Mahomes instead of Mitch Trubisky.

It should be an interesting off-season, especially with some huge names at the QB position possibly being free agents. Tom Brady. Phillip Rivers. Drew Brees. I'm guessing Brees resigns for another year, but it looks like Brady and Rivers could very well be with new teams next year. Add in the likes of Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, and Teddy Bridgewater and there could be a ton of QB's available in free agency. We know teams like the Raiders (ah, John Gruden), Dolphins, and Titans will likely be in the market. Should be fun to see who gets overpaid.

Then you have guys like Dak Prescott and Jameis Winston who will likely get the franchise tag as they negotiate long term contracts. I will smile when the Cowboys make Dak the highest paid player in the NFL.

The team I think has a very interesting off-season is the Titans. They have to decide if one outlier year is enough to pay Ryan Tannehill top 5 QB money (I'm guessing they franchise him to get another year of evidence). They have to decide whether to make Derrick Henry the highest paid RB in the league (they will, but they shouldn't). They also have a pretty good young defense that could use improving.

Aside from the QB situation, this offseason will likely have to deal with the collective bargaining agreement. The NFL will likely want to add a game, and the NFLPA will likely want to reduce Goodell's powers to suspend/punish players, allow pot smoking, have even less training camp, and cut further into revenue sharing. It should be fun to see what each side gets in negotiations. Or if we get a work stoppage in the fall.

Then there will be the combine and draft. I'm a bit shocked how much the draft has grown in public awareness. It's kinda fun though, guessing who will be a stud (Jerry Jeudy), who will be a bust (any first round QB not named Burrow or Tagovailoa), and who will be this year's sleeper (no clue yet). We'll likely have a separate thread for that, though.

What to do with pass interference replay, onside kick rules, and the XFL will be relatively minor things in this offseason too. I likely won't watch a lick of the XFL, but I'll probably get into the draft, as always.

Should be an interesting off-season.
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Old 02-07-2020, 10:28 AM
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One source I've read suggests that Phillip Rivers is going to land either in Tampa Bay, or Indianapolis. Not sure how excited I should be as a Colts fan about that. He's been a little rough lately, and we could plug more holes with the money we'd save keeping Jacoby Brissette for another season or two and searching for a quarterback via the draft.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:06 AM
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Well, the Kansas City Chiefs are the Super Bowl Champs and damn, they look good. Congrats to Andy Reid, he's been so good for so long, it's nice to see him finally win the big game. I hope he's as good a person as he appears to be at first glance.
Ive heard many testimonials from people who have worked with him or otherwise spent a lot of time with him and he does seem to be a good person. Very likeable and relatable. Kind of like Jeff Fisher, except he knows how to win games. I was really happy for him too. Also Mahomes, who I thought deserved a ring, but mostly Reid.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:08 PM
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Full 1st round draft order:

1. Bengals
2. Redskins
3. Lions
4. Giants
5. Dolphins
6. Chargers
7. Panthers
8. Cardinals
9. Jaguars
10. Browns
11. Jets
12. Raiders
13. Colts
14. Buccaneers
15. Broncos
16. Falcons
17. Cowboys
18. Dolphins (Via Steelers)
19. Raiders (Via Bears)
20. Jaguars (Via Rams)
21. Eagles
22. Bills
23. Patriots
24. Saints
25. Vikings
26. Dolphins (Via Texans)
27. Seahawks
28. Ravens
29. Titans
30. Packers
31. 49ers
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:48 PM
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Not NFL really, but the last thing I want, less than a week after the Super Bowl is more football. The new XFl may last a season, maybe.
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On Pro Football Weekly's penultimate show of the season they focused on soon-to-be-available free agents and on talent coming out in the draft. Hub Arkush said that he's never seen so much overall quarterback talent available in free agency as he sees this year but when I saw the list the only quarterback I saw that I'd be at least somewhat excited about if I were a G.M. or a head coach is Teddy Bridgewater. To me all the other veteran free agent QBs are either marginal talents (guys like Marcus Mariota) or are WELL past their prime (e.g. Philip Rivers and Tom Brady). I've read that the Rayyyy-daaaahhhhs are looking at bringing Tom Brady back to California but I really don't think that would be a good move on their part. As for Philip Rivers, last I heard rumors are that he might be going to Tampa Bay but from what I've read he's definitely done in San Diego. . .uh, I mean - Los Angeles.

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I've read that the Rayyyy-daaaahhhhs are looking at bringing Tom Brady back to California but I really don't think that would be a good move on their part.
Especially since they will actually be playing in Nevada, not California.

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Dark days in Chicago right now. The weather sucks as is to be expected, and supposed to have subzero temps this week. The winter sports are doing nothing to warm the cockles, the Bulls are a disaster and have maybe the worst front office in the league. The All Star game lands in Chicago just in time for the deep freeze but no Bulls will be in attendance. The Blackhawks are scuffling due to a prolonged stay in salary cap hell. College hoops are a bit of a sanctuary but it's been a rough week for the Illini. We don't even have an XFL team to distract us.

Speaking of the XFL, I watched a fair bit of the inaugural weekend and I have a couple thoughts. One, I like having football to watch after the Super Bowl without the WWE overtones. Two, that was some awful, awful play out there. Even a bad college team drops fewer balls, skips fewer passes and generally knows how not to do the worst possible thing on special teams. Also, that Marc Trestman halftime speech, wow. Worth keeping an eye on though.

The QB carousel. The Bears are highly involved in all these talking-head driven storylines and I have to say it's pissing me off. Not because of the criticism but because too many stupid, casual football fans are sucked into the vortex and I'm sick of the small talk. Here's the Cliff Notes version...

1. Drew Brees is resigning with the Saints. He's not coming to Chicago or anywhere else. This is all just bored jackasses with Twitter starting rumors. If he were available, I'm not sure I'd be excited about Brees starting 8 games outside on the Soldier Field turf.

1b. Teddy Bridgewater is not the answer. Let someone else shoot themselves in the foot by giving him "franchise QB" money for 4-5 years. He's NEVER BEEN GOOD. Before he got hurt in Minny he wasn't good. When he filled in for Drew Brees he wasn't special, he had exactly 1 good game as a passer against an awful Tampa team. Trubisky is seriously better than Bridgewater.

2. Tom Brady is resigning with the Patriots. This one is marginally less certain than Brees, but still, it's not happening. Plus Brady was in the bottom 1/3rd of starting QBs last year. Say what you want about his weapons, but he simply wasn't great. If you're the Raiders or Chargers looking to goose PSLs in a new stadium I get it, but from a pure football POV I don't think Brady is a guy that fixes your problems. Making things worse, he's asking for $30M+ anywhere outside New England.

3. Phillip Rivers is on the market, but he ain't coming to Chicago either. Dude has been threatening retirement for like 3 years now. He moved back to Florida. He's not loading up the charter bus and toting the family and his pastor to Halas Hall. If he plays, it's in Miami, and I wouldn't count on it. Fitzpatrick might be better at this point. Also, Cutty would be furious if we signed him.

4. Cam Newton isn't on the market yet but with the ouster of Rivera it's probably gonna happen. Now, this is the only one that in my mind makes any sense at all. But that's just barely. He isn't really a better passer than Mitch is at this point, in fact in 2018 they were basically the exact same QB on paper. Cam's accuracy is down, his arm strength is down and his body is breaking down. Maybe a year off fixes it, but probably not. Maybe a new system helps, but probably not. Also the Panthers likely will be looking for a trade partner and they'll probably find one before releasing him. I don't want to give away any assets for a massive question mark like Cam.

5. Marcus Mariota is available. No, just no.

6. Case Keenum is available. Seriously, fuck off.

7. Ryan Tannehill is available. He'll be franchised for certain, on the off chance he's available I might actually think about this one.

8. Jameis Winston is available. Also probably will be franchised, but if not....stay away, very, very far away.

9. Dak Prescott is not available but no way the Cowboys are dumb enough to let him walk. That said, I agree with Hamlet that I wouldn't want to be the guy to have to pay him $40M a year for the next half-decade.

10. Andy Dalton isn't a Free Agent but could be had in a trade. If this is our answer at QB we should probably just fold up stakes and call it a good run, maybe football just isn't our thing. He's old and he's not exactly good. Convincing the fan base that Andy Dalton will make you a Super Bowl contender is such a loser move that I can't stomach it.

I think the Dalton thing pretty well encapsulates my thoughts on the matter. Grabbing another team's cast off at QB is not a winning strategy. And for all the names in this free agent class, almost all of them are available because of badly declining play and/or because they have clearly proven that they aren't "the guy". The grass is not always greener.

It's not the solution I want but the only path forward for the Bears that doesn't see them digging their hole even deeper is to stay the course with Mitch, take your lumps, and draft a QB or two in draft and cross your fingers. Rinse, lather, repeat in 2021.

Last thought, I was pulling for the 49ers in the Super Bowl. I didn't really have a strong opinion either way but I was kinda pulling for Robbie Gould to get a ring and Jimmy G is a local kid. The anarchist in me also kind of liked the idea of Jimmy G winning just as Brady was packing it in. That said, I did find myself pretty happy to see Andy Reid win one. Seems like a mensch and probably not a guy who would deserve the title of "greatest coach to never win one". Will be interesting to see how many rings Mahomes ends up with.
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One source I've read suggests that Phillip Rivers is going to land either in Tampa Bay, or Indianapolis. Not sure how excited I should be as a Colts fan about that. He's been a little rough lately, and we could plug more holes with the money we'd save keeping Jacoby Brissette for another season or two and searching for a quarterback via the draft.
Rivers is definitely an upgrade over Brissett. Perhaps keep Brissett and tank for Trevor Lawrence?

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Man, not me. Love football too much. XFL proved to be more entertaining than I originally thought.

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As for Philip Rivers, last I heard rumors are that he might be going to Tampa Bay but from what I've read he's definitely done in San Diego. . .uh, I mean - Los Angeles.
Rivers would be an upgrade on either Tampa Bay or Indy.

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Dark days in Chicago right now. The weather sucks as is to be expected, and supposed to have subzero temps this week. The winter sports are doing nothing to warm the cockles, the Bulls are a disaster and have maybe the worst front office in the league. The All Star game lands in Chicago just in time for the deep freeze but no Bulls will be in attendance. The Blackhawks are scuffling due to a prolonged stay in salary cap hell. College hoops are a bit of a sanctuary but it's been a rough week for the Illini. We don't even have an XFL team to distract us.

Speaking of the XFL, I watched a fair bit of the inaugural weekend and I have a couple thoughts. One, I like having football to watch after the Super Bowl without the WWE overtones. Two, that was some awful, awful play out there. Even a bad college team drops fewer balls, skips fewer passes and generally knows how not to do the worst possible thing on special teams. Also, that Marc Trestman halftime speech, wow. Worth keeping an eye on though.

The QB carousel. The Bears are highly involved in all these talking-head driven storylines and I have to say it's pissing me off. Not because of the criticism but because too many stupid, casual football fans are sucked into the vortex and I'm sick of the small talk. Here's the Cliff Notes version...

1. Drew Brees is resigning with the Saints. He's not coming to Chicago or anywhere else. This is all just bored jackasses with Twitter starting rumors. If he were available, I'm not sure I'd be excited about Brees starting 8 games outside on the Soldier Field turf.

1b. Teddy Bridgewater is not the answer. Let someone else shoot themselves in the foot by giving him "franchise QB" money for 4-5 years. He's NEVER BEEN GOOD. Before he got hurt in Minny he wasn't good. When he filled in for Drew Brees he wasn't special, he had exactly 1 good game as a passer against an awful Tampa team. Trubisky is seriously better than Bridgewater.

2. Tom Brady is resigning with the Patriots. This one is marginally less certain than Brees, but still, it's not happening. Plus Brady was in the bottom 1/3rd of starting QBs last year. Say what you want about his weapons, but he simply wasn't great. If you're the Raiders or Chargers looking to goose PSLs in a new stadium I get it, but from a pure football POV I don't think Brady is a guy that fixes your problems. Making things worse, he's asking for $30M+ anywhere outside New England.

3. Phillip Rivers is on the market, but he ain't coming to Chicago either. Dude has been threatening retirement for like 3 years now. He moved back to Florida. He's not loading up the charter bus and toting the family and his pastor to Halas Hall. If he plays, it's in Miami, and I wouldn't count on it. Fitzpatrick might be better at this point. Also, Cutty would be furious if we signed him.

4. Cam Newton isn't on the market yet but with the ouster of Rivera it's probably gonna happen. Now, this is the only one that in my mind makes any sense at all. But that's just barely. He isn't really a better passer than Mitch is at this point, in fact in 2018 they were basically the exact same QB on paper. Cam's accuracy is down, his arm strength is down and his body is breaking down. Maybe a year off fixes it, but probably not. Maybe a new system helps, but probably not. Also the Panthers likely will be looking for a trade partner and they'll probably find one before releasing him. I don't want to give away any assets for a massive question mark like Cam.

5. Marcus Mariota is available. No, just no.

6. Case Keenum is available. Seriously, fuck off.

7. Ryan Tannehill is available. He'll be franchised for certain, on the off chance he's available I might actually think about this one.

8. Jameis Winston is available. Also probably will be franchised, but if not....stay away, very, very far away.

9. Dak Prescott is not available but no way the Cowboys are dumb enough to let him walk. That said, I agree with Hamlet that I wouldn't want to be the guy to have to pay him $40M a year for the next half-decade.

10. Andy Dalton isn't a Free Agent but could be had in a trade. If this is our answer at QB we should probably just fold up stakes and call it a good run, maybe football just isn't our thing. He's old and he's not exactly good. Convincing the fan base that Andy Dalton will make you a Super Bowl contender is such a loser move that I can't stomach it.

I think the Dalton thing pretty well encapsulates my thoughts on the matter. Grabbing another team's cast off at QB is not a winning strategy. And for all the names in this free agent class, almost all of them are available because of badly declining play and/or because they have clearly proven that they aren't "the guy". The grass is not always greener.

It's not the solution I want but the only path forward for the Bears that doesn't see them digging their hole even deeper is to stay the course with Mitch, take your lumps, and draft a QB or two in draft and cross your fingers. Rinse, lather, repeat in 2021.

Last thought, I was pulling for the 49ers in the Super Bowl. I didn't really have a strong opinion either way but I was kinda pulling for Robbie Gould to get a ring and Jimmy G is a local kid. The anarchist in me also kind of liked the idea of Jimmy G winning just as Brady was packing it in. That said, I did find myself pretty happy to see Andy Reid win one. Seems like a mensch and probably not a guy who would deserve the title of "greatest coach to never win one". Will be interesting to see how many rings Mahomes ends up with.
Andy Dalton WILL be your QB next season. He's actually better than Trubisky and will fare better in Chi-town with a better cast around him.
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3. Phillip Rivers is on the market, but he ain't coming to Chicago either. - https://sports.yahoo.com/where-will-...142833251.html
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Changes to MNF?


A while back someone on this board mentioned that Sunday night, not Monday night, currently features the premier game of the week in the N.F.L. Apparently others agree: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-...215510781.html
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Especially since they will actually be playing in Nevada, not California.
{sigh} In my virtual Greatest Players of All Time league I've been referring to that franchise as the OakLAnd Raiders. Since they're moving to a place outside of California for the first time I plan on calling them the "Southwest Raiders" from now on.
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{sigh} In my virtual Greatest Players of All Time league I've been referring to that franchise as the OakLAnd Raiders. Since they're moving to a place outside of California for the first time I plan on calling them the "Southwest Raiders" from now on.
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A lot of people seem to think the Redskins will, or at least should, trade out of the #2 pick. While a good case can probably be made either way, I think it's going to be moot; the Redskins are NOT taking a QB, and everyone knows it. That being the case, anyone who wants to move up to take Tua or whoever can just deal with the Lions or Giants at #3 or #4 at a reduced price.

While I believe he's as good as advertised, I seriously doubt anyone is so enamored with Chase Young that they'll give 3 first rounders+ to Washington for him; Mike "I'd still make that Ricky Williams trade again" Ditka ain't running anything anymore.
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A while back someone on this board mentioned that Sunday night, not Monday night, currently features the premier game of the week in the N.F.L. Apparently others agree: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-...215510781.html
It was me among many others. Thats always been my rebuttal to having a team and growing the game in England. Whats often the best matchup of the week starts at 1 am London time. Thats a pretty hard ceiling as far as fan growth.
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And in ancient NFL non-news Kaepernick is writing a book. Another chance to ring the register
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Just a little rant here, so feel free to ignore this post and move on:

I am sick and tired of how some people in the media cover and debate the NFL and the players in the NFL. Some examples to illustrate what I mean:

The headline says it all: Mock Drafts predicting Raiders may select offensive and defensive playmakers.

Just how useless and stupid does an analyst have to be to conclude that the Raiders may select an offensive and a defensive player? They do so, every fucking draft. Are they concerned the Raiders may draft a mascot or maybe a spoon from Alabama's team cafeteria? Jesus wept.

Which leads me to point the second: Mock Drafts are as useless and stupid as concluding the Raiders might draft an offensive and defensive player. So many people wasting so much time guessing what will occur, as if that has any relevance or insight whatsoever. You want to tell me your opinion of the game tape, great. You want to tell me you think the Packers are going to draft Laviska Shenault in the first round? Fuck you! That's utterly useless and based on nothing but deciding a team need and guessing who might be there at that need. It's so dumb.

I also hate commentators reliance on stupid ways of judging players and outright homerism rather than, I don't know, using analytics and watching/referencing game tape. This piece emphasizes the problem. I'll be honest, I am completely unfamiliar with the writer, so it may be totally tongue in cheek and it's actually mocking the stuff I hate. If so, he does an excellent job highlighting just how stupid it is. Here's an example:

"Its not that I hate him as a person. I have no idea what hes like as a person, said Aaron Schatz, the head of Football Outsiders and an NFL analyst for ESPN, when asked to defend his criticisms of Allen. He certainly seems like a hard worker. Theres never been any stories that hes not. I just dont think hes ever going to have the accuracy to be a quality starting NFL quarterback.


Son of a biscuit.

The man just won 10 games and reached the playoffs in his first full season as a starter. He led game-winning drives in the fourth quarter of five of them.

Sure, he makes mistakes. But hes only 23. He has plenty of time to improve, and he must improve. Even he admits that. But he was a high first-round draft pick for a reason."


To counter a statistical analysis of his accuracy, the writer points out that Josh Allen (and apparently just Josh Allen, not the Bills) won 10 games. It is so fucking stupid it makes my teeth ache. Wins are an atrocious way to judge QB play, right down there with whether the QB has a bitching mustache or how many "r's" they have in their name. And the cherry on top of the idiot cake was the "he was drafted in the first round" being a more accurate measure of worth compared to actual play in the NFL. They're the kind of people who spend $1,000 on a glass of wine and declare that it has to be good because they spent $1,000 on it. Oof.

Finally, this one, about the Packers (It may be paywalled, so I'll just use the headline): "Could Rashan Gary thrive at inside linebacker?" Dude is one year into his career, showed some abilities, (clearly not enough to earn a first round draft pick), and fans are asking about him moving positions. If Gary were a QB, fans would be wetting themselves to make excuses for his sub-optimal play (See: Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariota), but since he's not, they're all set to make a rash judgment and move his position. The reactionary bullshit is so effin annoying.

TLDR: Don't be a homer. Analytics = Good. Wins judging QB = bad. Reactionary bullshit is bullshit.

Now back to your regularly scheduled NFL Offseason thread.
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Just a little rant here, so feel free to ignore this post and move on:

I am sick and tired of how some people in the media cover and debate the NFL and the players in the NFL. Some examples to illustrate what I mean:

The headline says it all: Mock Drafts predicting Raiders may select offensive and defensive playmakers.

Just how useless and stupid does an analyst have to be to conclude that the Raiders may select an offensive and a defensive player? They do so, every fucking draft. Are they concerned the Raiders may draft a mascot or maybe a spoon from Alabama's team cafeteria? Jesus wept.

Which leads me to point the second: Mock Drafts are as useless and stupid as concluding the Raiders might draft an offensive and defensive player. So many people wasting so much time guessing what will occur, as if that has any relevance or insight whatsoever. You want to tell me your opinion of the game tape, great. You want to tell me you think the Packers are going to draft Laviska Shenault in the first round? Fuck you! That's utterly useless and based on nothing but deciding a team need and guessing who might be there at that need. It's so dumb.

I also hate commentators reliance on stupid ways of judging players and outright homerism rather than, I don't know, using analytics and watching/referencing game tape. This piece emphasizes the problem. I'll be honest, I am completely unfamiliar with the writer, so it may be totally tongue in cheek and it's actually mocking the stuff I hate. If so, he does an excellent job highlighting just how stupid it is. Here's an example:

"Its not that I hate him as a person. I have no idea what hes like as a person, said Aaron Schatz, the head of Football Outsiders and an NFL analyst for ESPN, when asked to defend his criticisms of Allen. He certainly seems like a hard worker. Theres never been any stories that hes not. I just dont think hes ever going to have the accuracy to be a quality starting NFL quarterback.


Son of a biscuit.

The man just won 10 games and reached the playoffs in his first full season as a starter. He led game-winning drives in the fourth quarter of five of them.

Sure, he makes mistakes. But hes only 23. He has plenty of time to improve, and he must improve. Even he admits that. But he was a high first-round draft pick for a reason."


To counter a statistical analysis of his accuracy, the writer points out that Josh Allen (and apparently just Josh Allen, not the Bills) won 10 games. It is so fucking stupid it makes my teeth ache. Wins are an atrocious way to judge QB play, right down there with whether the QB has a bitching mustache or how many "r's" they have in their name. And the cherry on top of the idiot cake was the "he was drafted in the first round" being a more accurate measure of worth compared to actual play in the NFL. They're the kind of people who spend $1,000 on a glass of wine and declare that it has to be good because they spent $1,000 on it. Oof.

Finally, this one, about the Packers (It may be paywalled, so I'll just use the headline): "Could Rashan Gary thrive at inside linebacker?" Dude is one year into his career, showed some abilities, (clearly not enough to earn a first round draft pick), and fans are asking about him moving positions. If Gary were a QB, fans would be wetting themselves to make excuses for his sub-optimal play (See: Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariota), but since he's not, they're all set to make a rash judgment and move his position. The reactionary bullshit is so effin annoying.

TLDR: Don't be a homer. Analytics = Good. Wins judging QB = bad. Reactionary bullshit is bullshit.

Now back to your regularly scheduled NFL Offseason thread.
I cringe at the amount of mock draft crap. I miss the days where ESPN would show obscure sports rather than endless hours of mock draft stuff in the mornings and afternoons. Now, get off my lawn!
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I cringe at the amount of mock draft crap. I miss the days where ESPN would show obscure sports rather than endless hours of mock draft stuff in the mornings and afternoons. Now, get off my lawn!
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