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Old 02-11-2020, 12:33 PM
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One thing that I liked, and I think is a major improvement over how the NFL does things, is the live feed from the instant replay booth. Seeing and hearing the replay official walk through his process out loud was nice. Instead of the NFL black box process, which leads to "What the heck was he looking at?!" fan reactions, the XFL open look process made it crystal clear exactly what the replay official was looking at, and how and why he arrived at his decision.
I agree. I also liked the shorter play clock (25 seconds). I could do without the sideline interviews during the game. Let the players and coaches do their job, and not make it look like the whole event was just a made-for-TV drama fest.
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I wish they had put teams in places like Portland, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque, San Antonio, Austin, Des Moines, Sacramento, etc. though, rather than these existing NFL cities. It should be about expanding football to places that don't have football yet.
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I could do without the sideline interviews during the game. Let the players and coaches do their job, and not make it look like the whole event was just a made-for-TV drama fest.
I disagree, I liked it, but everyone’s MMV.

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I wish they had put teams in places like Portland, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque, San Antonio, Austin, Des Moines, Sacramento, etc. though, rather than these existing NFL cities. It should be about expanding football to places that don't have football yet.
I cant blame them though. Its hard enough getting an upstart football league to succeed as it is, so you put teams where you know there is a strong market for football. I agree with your idea though. I think if this takes off (unlikely but who knows), maybe they can expand into those untapped markets.

I agree that Id be more excited about the Dragons if we didnt already have the Seahawks. (Dragons have a cooler logo though.)
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I feel like the XFL season starts too soon after the NFL season ends. After the Super Bowl, my first thought is not "I can't wait to watch more football!" This is the equivalent of me just finishing a great steak dinner and someone tries to give me a Big Mac while I'm still sitting at a table.
Yeah, I understand the reasoning - keep the momentum going, develop an audience without a lot of competition from other sports. But I still feel like waiting a month or two would have been better. Wait for people to start missing football, and then the drop in quality isn't so important.

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I could do without the sideline interviews during the game. Let the players and coaches do their job, and not make it look like the whole event was just a made-for-TV drama fest.
I caught about 30 minutes of a game this weekend, and the interviews were cringe-worthy. I felt bad for the players and coaches having to come up with some answer when they were trying to focus on the game, and I felt bad for the interviewers having to interrupt people who didn't want them around, then nod importantly as they got some bland, clichd answer to a dumb question.

Slate was also not a fan of the interviews.
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I caught about 30 minutes of a game this weekend, and the interviews were cringe-worthy. I felt bad for the players and coaches having to come up with some answer when they were trying to focus on the game, and I felt bad for the interviewers having to interrupt people who didn't want them around, then nod importantly as they got some bland, clichd answer to a dumb question.
The vast majority of interviews with athletes and coaches aren't interesting to begin with, but they're such a staple of sports coverage that broadcasters feel the need to do them, maybe in hopes of the rare interesting comment. Forced in-game interviews are even worse -- as you say, the coaches and players are trying to focus on doing their jobs, and that shows.
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...maybe in hopes of the rare interesting comment...
Well, to that end, it was kind of a success when the Dragons lineman commented "we're trying to get our fucking job done" on live TV.
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I liked the games and I hope they are successful as a second division league, like soccer does around the world, and not try to compete with the NFL.
About the rules:
1) Kickoff: Due to health/safety consideration, their format is a very good idea and I'm sure the NFL will implement something similar.
2) Punts: Not quite sure, but it's a different flavor and not simply "kick it far"
3) One-foot catch: Definitely yes. Easier to judge and maybe safer.
4) Double-forward pass: The idea of making the half-back pass easier and not having to move further back than the QB is a good idea.
5) Shorter time between plays: Looks good but maybe it's too tiring.
6) Two-minute: I like that we can avoid, mostly, the three-kneels to end the game.
7) Overtime: Really good idea.
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The vast majority of interviews with athletes and coaches aren't interesting to begin with, but they're such a staple of sports coverage that broadcasters feel the need to do them, maybe in hopes of the rare interesting comment. Forced in-game interviews are even worse -- as you say, the coaches and players are trying to focus on doing their jobs, and that shows.
Indeed. In the traditional sports leagues it infuriates me and I just want to scream at the TV "LET THEM DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS AND PLAY." It's almost always all the same vapid questions and the same generic contentless answers.
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A couple of Native American friends are really enthused about rooting for a DC football team whose name isn't a horrible racial slur.

I'm also pleased that the Defenders don't give off that aura of sour dysfunction that attaches to our regular NFL team.
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A couple of Native American friends are really enthused about rooting for a DC football team whose name isn't a horrible racial slur.

I'm also pleased that the Defenders don't give off that aura of sour dysfunction that attaches to our regular NFL team.
At least last week the Defenders looked pretty good.
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This Dragons/Vipers game is entertaining. But I’m not liking the instant interviews with players. It’s painful watching someone try to answer questions after he just ran 80 yards and has no breath.
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Saw most of today's game. My final assessments of everything. First, the good stuff.

Pacing - Good. Really, really good. I agree, the NFL is just way too slow these days. Fewer reviews, fewer delays, this works. One caveat, though: The reason there are much fewer penalties is that the league has cleaner players. Remember, the original mandate was "no arrest record whatsoever", and even though Vinny Mac eventually relented on that, it's clear that there is no place here for dirtbags and rulebreakers. Unfortunately, this means that it's going to miss out on some potential stars, but that's just the price of keeping it clean.

Overall atmosphere - Fantastic. This is by far the BEST part of this league. No grandstanding, no showboating, no taunting, no trash talking, no bench-clearing brawls, no helmet-to-helmet or punches or crotch stomps, no utterly mortifying end zone celebrations. And the fans! I've never seen such well-behaved spectators in any football league! Cut the BS and just have a good, clean, hard-fought contest. It's great for sport and great for our country.

Conversions/overtime - Don't have a strong opinion, but at this stage anything that has the potential to make the game more fun is a good thing. And if it adds a bit of strategy in a close one, so much the better.

And the...not-good stuff.

Kickoffs - Completely pointless. Receiver makes the catch, runs a few yards, and gets stuffed. If he's really lucky he might almost make it to midfield. This league's not getting Deion Sanders, deal with it. If safety is that much of a concern (and I'd say that it is), just give them the ball on the 35 and be done with it.

Punt OB or in the end zone brought back to 35 - I didn't like it when NFL Blitz did everything in its power to nerf punts, and I don't like it here. I understand the rationale of more offense (greater incentive to go for it and giving the opposition good field position if it messes up a punt), but if a team has a lousy offense...and there seems to be more than a few of them right now...it's not going to help.

Second forward pass permitted - Calling it right now: This will be at most a dumb screwball gimmick play like the swinging gate or fumblerooski that we'll see properly executed maybe once, ever. Given that most of teams don't have one accurate passer, it's hard to imagine this meaningfully affecting the outcome of any game.

Only one foot in bounds required for completion - See previous comment. This league's not getting John Elway either. I've only seen a few throws to the sidelines at all so far, and the results have been pretty dismal. I doubt there are a lot of receivers who can do picture-perfect circus catches, either.

Sideline interviews - Oh god. Enough. It's bad enough hearing this endless boilerplate drivel after the game; don't subject us to "we need to execute" and "taking it one play at a time" during it. Did you learn NOTHING from the first time?

Miked coaches - I guess it's a bit interesting hearing all the jargon and having the announcers hash it out, but again, we don't need this during the game. Put them in a pregame show or behind-the-scenes YouTube videos or whatever.

The thing I noticed these first two televised games was that they had a really "small ball" feel. Dink pass, sweep, off-tackle, quick-out, another sweep, maybe a 10-yard slant or two. It actually seemed more like the high school level than college, and given that we're not going to see the spectacular bombs, the mad-dog rushes, the tricky option routes, the acrobatic catches, the swarming dime coverages, it's going to limit the appeal of this league. Every big gain I've seen has been due to a defensive breakdown of some sort, and the most impressive scoring play in today's was a pick-six. I'm not saying that a game has to be full of fireworks, but there should always be at least the possibility of something truly amazing happening, and that looks like it won't be the case much of the time.

Still, of all the upstart leagues I've seen, this one really does look like it has the best chance of long-term success. All the others, including the first XFL, had extremely glaring flaws. I'm not seeing any here. Problems such as annoying interviews or bad rules are easily fixable. The best part is that unlike the leagues of the past, which had plenty of detractors and outright enemies, pretty much everyone wants the XFL to succeed, and they will fight to keep it afloat if it starts to struggle.

Do I want it to succeed? Eh...not a big sports guy, haven't been for a long time. I think it would be a good thing if it did succeed, but I won't get too choked up if it fails.
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I watched the Dragons-Vipers game, and enjoyed it overall. It was interesting hearing the back-and-forth between the referee and the replay judge; and the coach calling the plays, even if I had no idea what was being called. The pacing of the game was good. I could do without the sideline interviews, though.
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