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I’m glad we can take a look at our bubbles and realize that they are bubbles and almost all of us realize we live in one.

I’ve hated the ‘fake news’ ‘rigged polls’ mentality. And it’s been going on for years. There were really people shocked that McGovern lost because everyone in their college dorm voted for him, but of course it’s gotten much worse.

I’m glad at least I can look outside my bubble. I know that a blah vote for Biden counts just as much as the most fervent Bernie vote.

I’m glad we will get actual votes starting Monday. While I can’t say I like the compressed schedule, we’ve had a year to evaluate these candidates.
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hopefully he crashes and burns on Super tuesday and quits then. He may win SC and a few other states but that's about it.

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What is he even talking about?

I understand politicians not giving direct answers to hard questions, but it should sound at least superficially like they are talking about the same thing. This was authentic frontier gibberish.

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I wasn't a Biden fan when he first ran 30 years ago, and I'm definitely not now. He needs to drop out for the same reason Bernie does - he's just plain old too old for the job (so is Bloomberg) and IMNSHO he's just not presidential material in the first place.
I agree. Heís not going to survive the Ukraine rat-fucking, which is just getting started. Yelling at anyone that mentions it is not a viable strategy. And, even putting that aside, heís a third rate candidate on his third presidential run. He stinks of desperation.

I think the Dem candidates need a better strategy to combat the pervasive smear campaigns, pivoting to policy isnít going to work.

My ďbubbleĒ is pretty moderate. I just moved to North Carolina from New York and Iíve been constantly surprised at how liberal and diverse my new neighbors are. I donít think Iíve encountered a Trump supporter yet - at least not one that talks about. But I know theyíre out there.

The other thing Iíve found is that most of my real life friends, all reliable Democratic voters - are really low information. They just donít follow politics. I was at a party this fall, with other liberal leaning, educated people. I was trying to discuss the Mueller investigation. The basic information level was that they knew about the Mueller probe and the Trump Tower meeting but none of them knew who Paul Manafort was.


Thatís why I hang out here, I donít have anyone to discuss this with in real life. I know voters in NC that donít know who Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar is. Everyone here seems to think the debates are so important, but only about 10% of Democratic voters watch any given debate and most of them will never watch one. Early voting starts next week and no one is running advertising here yet except Bloomberg.

This is why the smears work, especially when the situation is as complicated as Ukraine.
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Well, it sounded like he was going for "caucuses are messed up". I assume the kid answered sort of automatically "yes" to his question of "have you ever been to a caucus", which is almost certainly not true.
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I agree. Heís not going to survive the Ukraine rat-fucking, which is just getting started. Yelling at anyone that mentions it is not a viable strategy. And, even putting that aside, heís a third rate candidate on his third presidential run. He stinks of desperation.

I think the Dem candidates need a better strategy to combat the pervasive smear campaigns, pivoting to policy isnít going to work.

My ďbubbleĒ is pretty moderate. I just moved to North Carolina from New York and Iíve been constantly surprised at how liberal and diverse my new neighbors are. I donít think Iíve encountered a Trump supporter yet - at least not one that talks about. But I know theyíre out there.

The other thing Iíve found is that most of my real life friends, all reliable Democratic voters - are really low information. They just donít follow politics. I was at a party this fall, with other liberal leaning, educated people. I was trying to discuss the Mueller investigation. The basic information level was that they knew about the Mueller probe and the Trump Tower meeting but none of them knew who Paul Manafort was.


Thatís why I hang out here, I donít have anyone to discuss this with in real life. I know voters in NC that donít know who Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar is. Everyone here seems to think the debates are so important, but only about 10% of Democratic voters watch any given debate and most of them will never watch one. Early voting starts next week and no one is running advertising here yet except Bloomberg.

This is why the smears work, especially when the situation is as complicated as Ukraine.
Do you live in Charlotte, Asheville, Triad or Triangle? I'm in the Triangle. Those 4 areas are full of transplants, many are from the NE. And they tend to be much more liberal than NC natives. Go out to rural NC areas and it's 60% or more Trump fans.
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Do you live in Charlotte, Asheville, Triad or Triangle? I'm in the Triangle. Those 4 areas are full of transplants, many are from the NE. And they tend to be much more liberal than NC natives. Go out to rural NC areas and it's 60% or more Trump fans.
Triad. And I’m in a new neighborhood, one that didn’t exist until about 15 years ago. Which explains the diversity I’ve noticed, I think.

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new areas in NC are at least 50% transplants. Where I live the next town over is around 50% Indians and about 90% of them have tech jobs. Some are citizens or have green cards. The young Indians are mostly on H1B visas. We have 4 Hindu temples nearby and 2 Catholic churches.
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In Knoxville, we called northeast retirees "halfbacks", as in, "they moved from NY to FL, found it too hot, so they moved halfway back."

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sometimes if they have enough money they spend the winter in FL and the summers in the mountains of VA,NC, SC, etc. Mountains are pretty much 10+ degrees cooler than the rest of the SE.
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If he can't handle the obvious question of a Democratic voter, without losing it, there is no way he can handle Trump. He's lost my vote. I'm not sure who has my vote, but it's not him.
So you think he "lost it" on this person? Even fucking Fox News referred to it as "jokingly called her..."
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I don't have a lot to add to this, other than to say on Saturday I saw him on TV at live event, not up on a debate stage with makeup on and complimentary stage lighting, and he just looked old. He couldn't fall back on rehearsed lines, and he just looked old. Did I say he looked old? I have a feeling that a lot of people who support him now remember the good old, vibrant Joe Biden and will be a bit shocked as I was when they see him like this. I long ago predicted he would falter, but once the debate season came around, and it looks like that's going to happen. Good, because he would not look good as compared to Trump's vitality that he will definitely bring to the debates.
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I have not seen him in person but Bloomberg on TV looks much younger than 77. He looks like around 65 at most. He doesn't look old to me at all. Sanders looks old on TV to me, also have not seen him in person.
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So you think he "lost it" on this person? Even fucking Fox News referred to it as "jokingly called her..."
He asked whether she had been to a caucus and called her a liar when she said she had. Why not just accept her answer? Why not say, "Well then you have seen ...". There was no need to insult her, even jokingly.
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He's even done it before--here's an instance from January where a young man asks a serious question re Obamacare and goddamn if Creepy Unca Joe doesn't call him the exact same thing but even more clearly than the current one.

https://twitter.com/BetaODork/status...03561222869004

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I know Biden has always been a gaffe machine, but this isn’t good. He’s run for President 3 times and he’s never run as the wonk candidate: Dukakis, Obama, Buttigieg filled those roles. So, he’s surely met voters who don’t know the difference between a primary and a caucus. Explaining it is maddening when you’re canvassing or phone banking. But Joe should know.

Why did you run, Joe?
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I have not seen him in person but Bloomberg on TV looks much younger than 77. He looks like around 65 at most. He doesn't look old to me at all. Sanders looks old on TV to me, also have not seen him in person.
It's not just the physical attributes that shook me. So for instance, Bloomberg and Sanders have more wrinkles. It was the whole package, the thinning (very) hair, the halting speech, the somewhat confused vibe he was giving off. Sanders and Bloomberg by comparison seem very engaged and able to speak on their feet. But not Biden.
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In this democratic field then the only one who has shown he can handle attacks with composure then is Buttigieg. Biden gets cranky, so does Sanders (at least in 2016 he did), Warren is weak on defense, Klobuchar has bad stories as a demanding boss.
In Klobuchar's case, it's more about the likability penalty than actual facts. If she were male the narrative about her would be about how she's a take-charge manager and that she'll be an excellent President by getting her people to work hard for her.
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He asked whether she had been to a caucus and called her a liar when she said she had. Why not just accept her answer? Why not say, "Well then you have seen ...". There was no need to insult her, even jokingly.
I'm not saying it was a smooth move but he didn't "lose it". And I would bet serious money she's never been to a caucus.
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And I would bet serious money she's never been to a caucus.
What does that have to do with the question she asked?
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I'm watching a Biden rally in New Hampshire right now. If I'm Biden's campaign consultant, I would be saying: "Joe - avoid discussing statistics and numbers whenever possible." Almost EVERY TIME he recites any numerical figures, he fucks something up and has to say "excuse me" and then re-do whatever number it was. It's probably possible for him to simply sidestep direct pronouncements of numerical statistics.
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Weird, now she’s at the Trump rally wearing Yang stuff and was escorted out.

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1...088538112?s=21

Maybe someone on Biden’s staff knew she was a rabble rouser and that’s why Biden responded as he did. It was still the wrong and bizarre move.
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At this juncture Biden is a loser.

He sounds desparate, and behind/playing catch up all the time. He has a habit of saying "Here's the deal!" which is a sign of impatience with the democratic process itself, and that someone will not just give him the nomination because.

He cannot marshall his postiives in a way that is sympathetic.

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Can someone explain what a dog-faced pony soldier is? Joke or not it makes me think Joe is losing his mind.
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Oh, there's been a hell of a lot of discussion and conjecture all over the internet trying to figure that out. As best as anyone can tell, it....possibly....comes from a John Wayne movie, though that's as far as that line of inquiry goes, nobody has been able to point to a specific line in a specific movie.

Whatever the hell it is, it's clearly some kind of idiosyncratic in-joke that only exists in Biden's mind or among his inner circle. Those kind of references are better off not being deployed at public events, because nobody will know what it means and it just sounds fucking weird.

My hate for Biden has gradually been reduced to sympathy. I've seen and heard him enough at this point to know that he's probably a decent guy with a big heart - but a very weak candidate.
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What does that have to do with the question she asked?
She asked him about his performance at the Iowa caucuses.
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Oh, there's been a hell of a lot of discussion and conjecture all over the internet trying to figure that out. As best as anyone can tell, it....possibly....comes from a John Wayne movie, though that's as far as that line of inquiry goes, nobody has been able to point to a specific line in a specific movie.

Whatever the hell it is, it's clearly some kind of idiosyncratic in-joke that only exists in Biden's mind or among his inner circle. Those kind of references are better off not being deployed at public events, because nobody will know what it means and it just sounds fucking weird.

My hate for Biden has gradually been reduced to sympathy. I've seen and heard him enough at this point to know that he's probably a decent guy with a big heart - but a very weak candidate.
Thatís what Iím thinking, a lot of people have inside jokes or you had to be there moments.

ĎThat should never happení means nothing to anyone except those who were in my high school band.

ĎJulius Caesar was a Greek godí means nothing to anyone except if you worked at my previous job.

The dog faced pony stuff is probably an inside joke on the Biden campaign and thatís where it should have stayed.
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Can we get a do over and pretend itís been Dr Jill running the entire time?
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Now he's left New Hampshire entirely and pinned his hopes (apparently) on SC.

My confident predictions about who will get the Democratic nod are following their usual arc from settled certainty thru confusion to WTF.

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18 days until SC. He could have a lot of gaffes in that time frame.
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After the New Hampshire debate, Biden gave a speech in South Carolina. I am not up on who is predicted to get the nomination if they do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, and someone else only does okay (or worse), and what that person's chances are if he then wins South Carolina, etc etc etc. But Biden said something in the aforementioned speech that struck me, which was something like 95% of the black community hasn't even voted yet. Biden has huge support in that community. On this board, no one is much talking about him, me included, and those who I see on the cable shows aren't giving him much of a chance. I myself was pretty much counting him out above due to his age. I'm not so sure I should have done that.
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After the New Hampshire debate, Biden gave a speech in South Carolina. I am not up on who is predicted to get the nomination if they do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, and someone else only does okay (or worse), and what that person's chances are if he then wins South Carolina, etc etc etc. But Biden said something in the aforementioned speech that struck me, which was something like 95% of the black community hasn't even voted yet. Biden has huge support in that community. On this board, no one is much talking about him, me included, and those who I see on the cable shows aren't giving him much of a chance. I myself was pretty much counting him out above due to his age. I'm not so sure I should have done that.
He had huge support with the white community until he didn’t. I kept thinking it was a mile wide and an inch deep, but the polls kept proving me wrong. And then Biden collapsed in the most spectacular fashion, making Jeb Bush look like The Incredible Hulk. So, how much of Biden’s black support is the same way?

I don’t know. But I do think there’s just a lot of Dems of all races who just want Obama back.
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Hey, since he got vindicated on Benghazi, that means he can run for a third term, right?
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I mean, it's also true that 95% of the white community hasn't voted yet, so...
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If he wins SC that won't matter much. If he gets spanked in a lot of states on March 3rd he should quit and probably will.
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Rumors all over Twitter that Biden gets that stupid culinary union endorsement in Nevada.

It’s Twitter, take it for what it’s worth.

I love how we whine about Iowa and NH but then allow one union in NV to have so much power.
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Rumors all over Twitter that Biden gets that stupid culinary union endorsement in Nevada.

Itís Twitter, take it for what itís worth.

I love how we whine about Iowa and NH but then allow one union in NV to have so much power.
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