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They don't drive much being chained in the house, nor do they need much room.
But the parents drive and someone has to pay for the matching sister wives -style haute couture and rent/mortgage. Feeding your brood, even if just once a day, takes appreciable moola.

As would maintenance of pop's deranged sexxxy kangaroo 'do.

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What I find very disturbing is none of the neighbors did anything when they saw all kind of strange things going on in the house !
Y'know y'know, growing up there were a couple of freaky families in the general neighborhood. If someone can be abusive to their own children, how do you think they might treat a meddling neighbor? In our case, trying to be friendly got a pistol pointed at us. So, unless you want to get on freak-ass neighbor's bad side, and turn it into a an ongoing battle zone, you keep to yourself.
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But the parents drive and someone has to pay for the matching sister wives -style haute couture and rent/mortgage. Feeding your brood, even if just once a day, takes appreciable moola.

As would maintenance of pop's deranged sexxxy kangaroo 'do.
Perhaps they get a lower price for buying clothing in bulk. Make the girls do the alterations. Take in sewing for them. They are underfed. I don't know the cost on that. Baloney instead of cheeseburgers and pizza.
I think the Cap'n cut is done with a soup bowl.
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This just keeps getting worse and worse and I fear we are nowhere near the bottom.

All the kids' names start with J. Gee, where have we seen that before?

Some of the kids didn't know what a police officer was. The youngest is not malnourished. Thank Og for small favors. The father has also been charged with one count of a lewd attack on a minor. Yeah, I'm sure there was only the one instance.

They were allowed to shower once a year, punished for washing their hands (the sperm and egg donor called that "playing with water") but, interestingly enough, were allowed to keep journals. In the words of Lt. Joe Kenda, "I want to read those."

I also think California is going to have to look into the licensing of home schools.
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... (the sperm and egg donor called that "playing with water") ...
I am afraid to acknowledge the "parents" may be that in name only for some of them. Perhaps DNA tests will unravel who's kid is who's, biologically speaking. It reminds me of the Fritzl case.

Also, as some have already alluded, there may be dead ones buried at the home in CA and the one in TX. I agree, we have not reached the bottom of this depravity.
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Decades ago I read Bob Greene's article on the Lattie McGee case, and it will stay with me forever. If you're interested, you can google it, but it's so damn horrible that I still get angry when I think of it.
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I don't know. Where?
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Old 01-19-2018, 09:48 AM
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Meet the Duggar family: Joshua, Jana, John-David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn-Grace and Josie.
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Decades ago I read Bob Greene's article on the Lattie McGee case, and it will stay with me forever. If you're interested, you can google it, but it's so damn horrible that I still get angry when I think of it.
Good God. I could only get two paragraphs into that story.
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I sort of wonder what made the two kids who escaped (well, one who escaped and one who was going to but chickened out) know what to do, where to go, how to do it, and gave them the basic premise that "this whole situation is fucked up".

The family couldn't completely shut out the outside world but they tried their darndest to do it. I'm so curious about what it was that sparked this kid into action!
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The family couldn't completely shut out the outside world but they tried their darndest to do it. I'm so curious about what it was that sparked this kid into action!
I believe it took her two years to get up the courage to act.
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But the parents drive and someone has to pay for the matching sister wives -style haute couture and rent/mortgage. Feeding your brood, even if just once a day, takes appreciable moola.

As would maintenance of pop's deranged sexxxy kangaroo 'do.
Food stamps would go a long way if you don't feed the kids.

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The people who bought the Texas house, who did not want to appear on camera, had to rip out the carpet and replace much of the drywall, and found scratches on the inside of some of the closet doors. They were told that it was from dogs, and they had no reason until now to believe otherwise.

If that 82-pound 29-year-old was the mother of the 2-year-old, that would have had to be an extremely difficult pregnancy.
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I sort of wonder what made the two kids who escaped (well, one who escaped and one who was going to but chickened out) know what to do, where to go, how to do it, and gave them the basic premise that "this whole situation is fucked up".

The family couldn't completely shut out the outside world but they tried their darndest to do it. I'm so curious about what it was that sparked this kid into action!
This whole thing reminds me, in a way, of some of the people who were raised in Scientology with little or no exposure to the "real" world.
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It is just creepy as hell. How do these people get away with crap so long and have 13 kids? If they don't want kids, why did they continue make them? I wonder if they were born in the hospital?

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It is just creepy as hell. How do these people get away with crap so long and have 13 kids? If they don't want kids, why did they continue make them? I wonder if they were born in the hospital?
If they were born at home and home schooled, I wonder if the government knows about them.. Probably, to get food stamps and tax deductions.
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I'm officially against capital punishment and all, but some people just need to be lit on fire.
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Well said.
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This reminds me of the Collingswood, NJ, case, from 14 or so years ago. Four adopted boys, all severely malnourished. The abuse was discovered when a neighbor found the oldest rummaging in the neighbor's garbage at 3 in the morning. That wasn't as bad as this case, though.
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This reminds me of the Collingswood, NJ, case, from 14 or so years ago. Four adopted boys, all severely malnourished. The abuse was discovered when a neighbor found the oldest rummaging in the neighbor's garbage at 3 in the morning. That wasn't as bad as this case, though.
Aaaand that was already posted, which I somehow missed as I was scrolling down the page.
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Academics are going to want to look at those journals too. I do hope some good will come out of this godawful mess, but those children are going to have a long road to recovery.

First off, I hope they get to eat all the pumpkin pie they want.
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Non cult people are strangely oblivious sometimes. Asking 'why' the parents encouraged the kids to write when it created a record of their crimes.

They let them write because they don't think they have done anything wrong. I'm willing to bet actual money that they STILL don't think they've done anything wrong and they're just being persecuted for their faith.

Those poor damn kids.
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Food stamps would go a long way if you don't feed the kids.

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These seem like folks who abhor government interference. I doubt the parents would try to get gov aid.
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I think they would accept food stamps and aid as a way to stick it to the man. Those weird Mormons under that Warren Jeffs got food stamps and wic, and probably EBT.
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It seems Sperm Donor kidnapped Egg Donor when she was 16.

There's a whole lot of twisted going on there. She didn't even attend her parents' funerals. Could she be some sort of a victim too?
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Someone on another board posted a British link to unaltered pictures of the kids, which included their names and approximate ages, and included a little bit about the mother's background. According to this story, her father was a freelance "minister" who beat and raped her mother in front of the kids, and he looked scarier than any of the people in THIS story.

I won't post that link because it had references to psyops and some other really wonky stuff.
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When the neighbors said that they sometimes saw the kids lined up, oldest to youngest, it reminded me of this. People who lived in this city said he was quite well-known for doing the same thing whenever they went out in public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Wesson

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I think they would accept food stamps and aid as a way to stick it to the man. Those weird Mormons under that Warren Jeffs got food stamps and wic, and probably EBT.
They call it "bleeding the beast."
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I'm officially against capital punishment and all, but some people just need to be lit on fire.
I disagree. There hasn't been a good drawing and quartering in ages. More time to sell ads.
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My parents and us six kids all have "J" names . . .
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Pictures of their house in Fort Worth.

I imagine there will be investigation at that location too.
When this story first broke, I kept thinking the mom looked familiar.

Iím in Ft. Worth and Iím wondering if I saw her. At one point...?
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I saw something about police considering bringing dogs in to look for bodies.
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My parents and us six kids all have "J" names . . .
But did they isolate you from people who didn't follow their exact same religious beliefs, and go on reality TV to pay the bills?
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My 3 sisters all have 'C' names. I have a 'B' name. I am officially on the b-team. I think maybe they didn't tell me all the cult stuff the other kids got. I feel left out, for some insane reason.
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Someone on another board posted a British link to unaltered pictures of the kids, which included their names and approximate ages, and included a little bit about the mother's background. According to this story, her father was a freelance "minister" who beat and raped her mother in front of the kids, and he looked scarier than any of the people in THIS story.

I won't post that link because it had references to psyops and some other really wonky stuff.
I don't get your reluctance to post the link. We're grown-ups here, and have seen lots of wonky stuff in our lives.

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I saw something about police considering bringing dogs in to look for bodies.
Sequential thread titles! (Really!)

This thread and: Human bones found in back yard
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I'd really like to know what went so horribly wrong in that home. How the parents progressed from being secretive and loners to starving the kids and physically chaining some of them.

That's such a twisted journey into a rabbit hole and insanity.

I guess finances were part of the problem. Refusing to let them bathe may have been an attempt to keep the water bill low. Restricting them to one meal a day may have been another cost savings. The measures the parents took are unbelievably extreme and evil.

Tight finances are certainly no excuse for such appalling neglect. There are social programs that can provide aid. The mother and older children could take jobs to help bring money into the household. A family of 15 needs multiple incomes.

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Also, bath water can be reused. Saving substantially on the water bill. Imagine what 15 showers a day would cost.

That was very, very common in rural households when water was hauled to the house in buckets and heated on a wood store. Wood you had to chop and split.

Several family members used that tub of hot bath water because they had too. It took a lot of work to prepare that tub of water. I remember older relatives reminiscing about Sat night baths and the work required.

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My 3 sisters all have 'C' names. I have a 'B' name.
So you are a b-word and all three of your sisters are a c-word?
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So you are a b-word and all three of your sisters are a c-word?
That's pretty much the size of it! Another sad outcome of my name, my initials were 'B.M.' when I married my initials are' now 'B.S.'
It's the story of my shitty life!
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I guess finances were part of the problem. Refusing to let them bathe may have been an attempt to keep the water bill low. Restricting them to one meal a day may have been another cost savings. The measures the parents took are unbelievably extreme and evil.
You're joking, right? Attributing any part of this to tight finances is ridiculous. There wouldn't be any need for them to worry about an expensive water bill if they'd simply allowed their adult children to grow up and get jobs.
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You're joking, right? Attributing any part of this to tight finances is ridiculous. There wouldn't be any need for them to worry about an expensive water bill if they'd simply allowed their adult children to grow up and get jobs.
It's not much of an explanation for the ropes and chains, either. Or the midnight marching. Or the psychological torture, e.g. putting a pie on the counter and teasing them about not being allowed to eat it.
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Did you bother to actually read my post?

I mentioned the wife and older children getting jobs as an option in the next paragraph.

I'm trying to understand how in the hell things went so horribly wrong. A childhood friend in Texas played with these kids until 2010. The family was weird and secretive. But the kids were allowed outside to play.

Things got much worse after they left Texas. A bankruptcy has been reported. Obviously they were in financial trouble.

What made them take such insane measures. Why in the hell didn't they find jobs for the wife and older kids? Starving them is certainly not a solution.

People have reasons for their actions. No matter how sick or twisted. People don't just wake up abd say, hey lets chain the kids to the bed and starve them. It takes a sequence of events to get to that level of depravity.

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Several family members used that tub of hot bath water...
Five-second clip.

Not in the clip:

RICK: Do you want that bath water or not? You haven't got much of a choice, actually, because there's no more hot water.

NEIL: Well, it's a bit cloudy, Rick.

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RICK: Well, don't look at me Neil. Vyvyan had the bath before me and Mike had it before him, and anyway Neil, the whole thing is left over from the bath you had last Tuesday. So stop being so bloody picky; that's your filth!




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People have reasons for their actions. No matter how sick or twisted. People don't just wake up abd say, hey lets chain the kids to the bed and starve them. It takes a sequence of events to get to that level of depravity.
Look, I sympathize with your attempt to make rational sense of this. But nothing about this is rational. If there is a reason behind this, it's not a reason that is accessible to non-pathological people. We could speculate that they were more concerned about keeping a water bill low than having their home not smell like a death camp, but there's as much evidence for that as them believing their children were demon-spawn deserving of punishment. I actually think the latter idea is more plausible.

I'm a fairly imaginative person and yet I lack the capacity to imagine what life must've been like in that household. And I'm really relieved about that.
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Remember that the parents are irrational. A normal couple might have applied for an EBT card (i.e. food stamps), but these people aren't normal. Who knows what their thought processes were?

A neighbor said he saw the kids one night laying new sod in the front yard. I hope the police use cadaver dogs to do a full search of the property.
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