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Old 01-25-2020, 08:45 AM
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Social "Morays"


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ilk-duds-plus/ has a second question about Social "morays".

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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/501658845988418257/

I don't remember if I got the joke when I first saw it, but once I did understand it it was burned into my head.

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Old 01-25-2020, 03:04 PM
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When a fish bites your heel
And it looks like an eel
That's a moray!
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Old 01-26-2020, 01:50 AM
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Honestly Cecil was a little bit of an asshole on that one. Probably a little racist too.
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Old 01-26-2020, 01:03 PM
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Racist, how?
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Old 01-26-2020, 06:07 PM
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Racist, how?
I assume the charge of racism is based on Cecil's use of the phrase "call a spade a spade." A phrase which wasn't racist in 2001 but probably is today.
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I assume the charge of racism is based on Cecil's use of the phrase "call a spade a spade." A phrase which wasn't racist in 2001 but probably is today.
It was considered mildly racist in the 70s when I first heard it. Did some bump in the space/time continuum cause it to get a free pass in 2001 specifically?
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It was considered mildly racist in the 70s when I first heard it. Did some bump in the space/time continuum cause it to get a free pass in 2001 specifically?
Well that was the date of the article.
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It was considered mildly racist in the 70s when I first heard it. Did some bump in the space/time continuum cause it to get a free pass in 2001 specifically?
The phrase dates from the time of Aristophanes; it was old by the time Plutarch used it, and even older when Erasmus (15th-16th century) transcribed it as "spade" instead of "trough" or "fig".

Only in the last century has it been conflated with "spade" as a racial slur.
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It was considered mildly racist in the 70s when I first heard it. Did some bump in the space/time continuum cause it to get a free pass in 2001 specifically?
A phrase in North England (particularly said of straight-taling Yorkshire country folk) is "He doesn't call a spade a spade, he calls it an effing shovel." I'm probably pretty naive but I always associated it with the gardening tool.
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Honestly Cecil was a little bit of an asshole on that one. Probably a little racist too.
Maybe a bit insensitive to the spelling-challenged, but racist? Moray eels can be black or white, ya know.
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Another word I learned separately from reading and from conversation, without realizing that the two words were the same.
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Literally the only time I have ever seen any reference to "spade" meaning "person of African descent" is people taking offense, or worrying about offense, from the phrase "call a spade a spade".

And I suspect that if there were a racist usage of a phrase of that sort, "spade" would not be the word used, anyway.
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At least we've been able to avoid any offensive references to David Spade so far.

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And I suspect that if there were a racist usage of a phrase of that sort, "spade" would not be the word used, anyway.
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Unless you think that we should remove the word from the lexicon altogether for all purposes and use some other word for digging implements, why should its use to mean in a digging implement in one particular phrase be avoided?
These.
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I'm not Larry Borgia but I guess he had in mind this closing bit: 'are you sure it’s spelled “Karon”?' A suggestion that one does not know how to spell one's own name would strike many as "assholish", while "probably a little racist" likely derives from two of her three sons bearing black-sounding names, plus the Sade song title in her signature. Though the only "creatively" spelled name is her own, which she is presumably not responsible for.
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