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ESPN out with their Sunday night schedule. The Nationals, as the defending World Series champs, don’t even get a slot as a visiting team. Going to be a very cold night on April 12 at Wrigley, April night games suck and ESPN games drag on forever.

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Speaking of the Nats, looks like Strasburg is coming back.
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Speaking of the Nats, looks like Strasburg is coming back.
https://www.mlb.com/news/stephen-str...with-nationals
Wow. I take back what I said about the Nats never overpaying.

Strasburg has had ONE great healthy season in his career.

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Speaking of the Nats, looks like Strasburg is coming back.
https://www.mlb.com/news/stephen-str...with-nationals
More power to them, but that contract is going to seem stupid before it is done. 31 years old and injury prone to boot. 7 years at $35 million per season.

What the hell is Gerrit Cole going to get now? (age=29, 4 of the last 5 years pitched over 200 innings.)

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More power to them, but that contract is going to seem stupid before it is done. 31 years old and injury prone to boot. 7 years at $35 million per season.

What the hell is Gerrit Cole going to get now? (age=29, 4 of the last 5 years pitched over 200 innings.)
I agree that he may become an albatross one day if his health issues continue but the Nats understand that he is a glass cannon and know how to play him to extend his useful life.

If they paid much less for Strasburg, there'd've been a lot of pressure to sign Rendon to a big dollar deal as well. Now the DC area is going to be happy with half a cake. Maybe we will get Donaldson and pick up another bat somewhere. The kid in me is hoping for Mookie Betts.
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ESPN is reporting that the Yankees offer to Gerrit Cole is supposed to eclipse the Strasburg deal
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Obviously as he is younger and better. Looks like he will decide this week too. Lets go Angels!
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More power to them, but that contract is going to seem stupid before it is done. 31 years old and injury prone to boot. 7 years at $35 million per season.

What the hell is Gerrit Cole going to get now? (age=29, 4 of the last 5 years pitched over 200 innings.)
My guess is somewhere in the 300/8 range. Younger than Strasburg, better injury history. 35 a year for 8 years is 280, and I think he might get more than that per year now. If Cole's contract had come out first, I'd think 35 per year would be about right. If they (Yankees, Dodgers, or Angels) gave him 320/8, would any of us really be all that shocked?

Funny how much these values in professional sports depend on other contracts. I'm in the middle of trying to convince some Texans fans (because Something Is Wrong On The Internet!) that they don't want to wait a year on extending Laramy Tunsil or Deshaun Watson, when that extra year means another blockbuster contract is just going to drive their eventual price higher. But then they think it's hunky-dory that the Texans are going to go without a GM in 2020, so I think I'm wasting my time...
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Didi Gregorius to the Phillies on a one-year deal.

Man, this one hurts a lot. It makes good business sense, but I loved that dude. Heart and soul of the team. So long, Sir Didi.
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Gerrit Cole is a Yankee. 324/9.

This will sting. I hope that assuages some of the pain from losing Gregorius. LOL.
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Gerrit Cole is a Yankee. 324/9.

This will sting. I hope that assuages some of the pain from losing Gregorius. LOL.
Bringing Didi back this year didn't make sense. I really hope Cole has 7 healthy years, this is a killer contract. At least Ellsbury's contract is gone after this year. Yanks have all the infield pieces in place already without bringing him back. Good luck to Didi, you did a great job replacing a fan favorite legend. Time for Gleybor Torres at SS.

Cole was the best pitcher on the market and I thought the Yanks should either sign a True Ace or not bother, so overall I like the signing though I fear the contract.
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Gerrit Cole is a Yankee. 324/9.

This will sting. I hope that assuages some of the pain from losing Gregorius. LOL.
Wow.
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Hawk Harrelson gets the Frick award. This must be someone’s idea of a sick joke. He’s certain the worst baseball announcer in the last 20 years.

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Strasburg has had ONE great healthy season in his career.
He's had at least 2, 3 if you count his innings limitation in 2012. 6 if you're happy with anything over 3 WAR. But a 7 year deal for a 31 year old pitcher is nuts. I guess that's baseball nowadays.
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Hawk Harrelson gets the Frick award. This must be someone’s idea of a sick joke. He’s certain the worst baseball announcer in the last 20 years.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-s...AKING%20SPORTS
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Gerrit Cole is a Yankee. 324/9.

This will sting. I hope that assuages some of the pain from losing Gregorius. LOL.
As the New York Times has it, "the Yankees Death Star is back."
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Rendon picks the Angels. For a team with him and Trout, they’ll still be unknown outside of the West Coast.

7 years, $245 million.
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Man, how much money did Scott Boras make this week? These numbers are bonkers.

The Angels will have a solid offense but they better hope Ohtani can be an effective starter. They had exactly one pitcher throw more than 100 innings last season (Trevor Cahill, 102 IP) and his ERA was 5.98.
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On one hand the Angels have a terrible recent history (actually, a terrible forever history) with big deals, and Rendon is unlikely to ever have a year like 2019 again. On the other, the Angels are loaded and even if they only get a few great years out of Rendon, maybe they'll finally win something while Mike Trout is the greatest player in baseball.
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He's had at least 2, 3 if you count his innings limitation in 2012. 6 if you're happy with anything over 3 WAR. But a 7 year deal for a 31 year old pitcher is nuts. I guess that's baseball nowadays.
For 35 MM/year I don't think a 3 war/year is sufficient. 35MM should buy at least 5 WAR IMHO.

E.g. Scherzer has cost about 30MM/year over the last 6 years and he has been worth about 40 WAR for 240 MM. or about 6 MM/WAR

I don't see Strasburg's contract being worth it after year 5.

But considering what Cole went for, I guess I can't complain.
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I went back and looked at that ESPN Sunday night schedule and there are also no LA Angels games on it. https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-r...lb-superstars/

Mind blowing even before the Rendon signing as the Angels had Trout and Ohtani is still a curiosity. Not to mention the new manager. Plus, that’s an early Sunday start west coast time which isn’t too bad for the fans, they can still get home at a decent hour.
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Yanks brought back Brett Gardner, age 36. He got $12.5m and the Yanks have an option for $10m in '21 with a $2.5m buyout. Yanks are well over the luxury tax cap now.
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Joe Buck is 1.74 million times better than Hawk.

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For 35 MM/year I don't think a 3 war/year is sufficient. 35MM should buy at least 5 WAR IMHO.
I don’t think that’s an unreasonable line to draw in the sand, at least for the front end of a contract. Fair.
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Yanks brought back Brett Gardner, age 36. He got $12.5m and the Yanks have an option for $10m in '21 with a $2.5m buyout. Yanks are well over the luxury tax cap now.
Glad to hear that, since he's one of my favorite players just for being able to grind it out year after year after year. I was somewhat surprised to see he had his highest OPS of his entire career this year, as well as his highest slugging percentage. What he's lost on average he's picked up on slugging. With CC retiring, he's also the last Yankee playing from the 2009 championship team.
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Glad to hear that, since he's one of my favorite players just for being able to grind it out year after year after year. I was somewhat surprised to see he had his highest OPS of his entire career this year, as well as his highest slugging percentage. What he's lost on average he's picked up on slugging. With CC retiring, he's also the last Yankee playing from the 2009 championship team.
Last from 2009 and also now the oldest Yankee. He plays with a lot of heart and is a team leader. It seems he is valued for that along with his numbers and his defense.
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I hope they bring back the next longest tenured* Yankee, Dellin Betances, too. Watching him buckle knees with that killer curve is great baseball.

*Austin Romine debuted a few days before Betances. Rumor has it that the Yanks are interested in Martin Maldonado to back up Sanchez, though.
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Not knowing who this Hawk guy is, you are probably right. I am amazed that Joe Buck still has a job. I would have thought that everyone that knew his dad is out of the business by now.
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Not knowing who this Hawk guy is, you are probably right. I am amazed that Joe Buck still has a job. I would have thought that everyone that knew his dad is out of the business by now.
No, he's wrong.

I dislike Joe Buck in a variety of ways, and he annoys me no matter what sports he's commentating on. But Hawk Harrelson was orders of magnitude worse than Buck, in just about every possible way.
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Sometimes I really wish we could post pics. Someone took all 30 MLB teams and created new names using inverse meanings (i.e. the Atlanta Braves become the Cowards.) Complete with new logos:

The new MLB logos.
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I do not for the life of me understand why people hate this guy so much. He is a perfectly serviceable play by play man. He has a decent enough voice, doesn't say anything egregiously stupid, and understands baseball more than well enough to effectively describe the events on the field. He seems nice enough.

Buck isn't just okay; he's better than many, many other MLB announcers. I would kill to have him replace either Buck Martinez or Pat Tabler or both on Blue Jays telecasts; Martinez is incredibly annoying and Tabler is clearly employed as part of a Rogers Communications program to offer work programs to people with serious brain injuries.
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Sometimes I really wish we could post pics. Someone took all 30 MLB teams and created new names using inverse meanings (i.e. the Atlanta Braves become the Cowards.) Complete with new logos:

The new MLB logos.
Fantastic. I'm having trouble parsing the Detroit, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia counterparts. Any clues?
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I do not for the life of me understand why people hate this guy so much. . . .
In the third inning of Game 6 of the World Series, he and John Smoltz were discussing their golf games.
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I do not for the life of me understand why people hate this guy so much. He is a perfectly serviceable play by play man. He has a decent enough voice, doesn't say anything egregiously stupid, and understands baseball more than well enough to effectively describe the events on the field. He seems nice enough.
I agree. I don't see that many games on US TV, and when I saw him during the World Series I really couldn't understand all the extreme vituperation expressed at him here.
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In the third inning of Game 6 of the World Series, he and John Smoltz were discussing their golf games.
The 7-2 game that took three and a half hours to slog through? They had time in the scoreless third inning to tell an anecdote or two.
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Fantastic. I'm having trouble parsing the Detroit, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia counterparts. Any clues?
I found the original list before the logos were added:

Detroit Sport Hunters

Pittsburgh Admirals

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The 7-2 game that took three and a half hours to slog through? They had time in the scoreless third inning to tell an anecdote or two.
It hadn't taken 3 1/2 hours in the 3rd inning. In any event, if they had nothing else to say, one would hope at least for a baseball anecdote.
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It hadn't taken 3 1/2 hours in the 3rd inning. In any event, if they had nothing else to say, one would hope at least for a baseball anecdote.
Ehhh. The game was boring at that point and they'd probably run out of easily applicable baseball anecdotes.

I thought they did a decent job. Certainly better than listening to Costas blather on.
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I do not for the life of me understand why people hate this guy so much. He is a perfectly serviceable play by play man. He has a decent enough voice, doesn't say anything egregiously stupid, and understands baseball more than well enough to effectively describe the events on the field. He seems nice enough.

Buck isn't just okay; he's better than many, many other MLB announcers. I would kill to have him replace either Buck Martinez or Pat Tabler or both on Blue Jays telecasts; Martinez is incredibly annoying and Tabler is clearly employed as part of a Rogers Communications program to offer work programs to people with serious brain injuries.
I think it's because of how over-rated and over-exposed he is. You could replace him with an algorithm and an alexa app.
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I think it also has to do with the quality of your team's broadcasting team. After listening to the Dodgers' excellent broadcast all season listening to all of the playoff teams are bad. I think Joe Buck is the worst of that crowd but probably not the worst of all teams all season. He doesn't seem to like baseball or want to add any depth beyond the basics to his broadcast.
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It would be great for baseball if postseason games we covered by the local announcing team. Let Buck and whoever do it nationally, but let the participating teams' broadcasters play their usual role. I want to hear Kenny Singleton, Michael Kay, Paul O'Neill and David Cone. The guys who were there for 162 games and know the team inside and out.
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It hadn't taken 3 1/2 hours in the 3rd inning. In any event, if they had nothing else to say, one would hope at least for a baseball anecdote.
I don't mean to push this sidebar too far but, really, this just illustrates how weird and moblike the criticism is. The guy told a non-baseball anecdote in the sixth game of one of the most boring World Series in recent memory - my apologies to Nats fans, but the 2019 World Series was seriously lacking in exciting games - and THAT'S the worst criticism anyone can come up with?

I mean, I've been watching and listening to baseball for thirty-eight years, and Joe Buck is a good announcer. He's not Vin Scully by any stretch of the imagination, and I can think of other better ones - Dan Shulman is sensational, Bob Uecker is great, and Tom Cheek, who did Blue Jays radio for almost forty years, is still dearly, dearly missed. I like Bob Costas, actually. But man, I can think of a LOT of worse ones and I can't really think of anything Buck does badly.
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I think it also has to do with the quality of your team's broadcasting team. After listening to the Dodgers' excellent broadcast all season listening to all of the playoff teams are bad. I think Joe Buck is the worst of that crowd but probably not the worst of all teams all season. He doesn't seem to like baseball or want to add any depth beyond the basics to his broadcast.
I listened to a lot of the WS on the radio so that I would be hearing our local guys, Charlie Slowes and Dave Jaegler. Next to being at the park, I prefer the radio.
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I hadn't thought about Bob Costas since he hosted the Sochi Olympics while suffering from pink eye. This summer, however, regular Yankees announcer Michael Kay needed throat surgery so a few guest broadcasters were rotated in. I think Costas only subbed for a weekend, but I really enjoyed listening to him. Maybe I just got used to him over the years, but he did a good job.
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So actual baseball news:

Indians trade Corey Kluber (age 33) to Rangers for Delino DeShields Jr. OF & Emmanuel Clase RHP.

Kluber is owed $17.5m this year and if he pitches 160 innings gets $18m in 21.
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I don't mean to push this sidebar too far but, really, this just illustrates how weird and moblike the criticism is. The guy told a non-baseball anecdote in the sixth game of one of the most boring World Series in recent memory - my apologies to Nats fans, but the 2019 World Series was seriously lacking in exciting games - and THAT'S the worst criticism anyone can come up with?
I understand that it's tough to make a pitcher's duel sound exciting. But that's why they get the big bucks.

I think there is a large universe of sports announcers that can make an exciting game sound good. If you can't get a baseball fan listening on the radio engaged in a pitcher's duel, then you are not that good.

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I mean, I've been watching and listening to baseball for thirty-eight years, and Joe Buck is a good announcer. He's not Vin Scully by any stretch of the imagination, and I can think of other better ones - Dan Shulman is sensational, Bob Uecker is great, and Tom Cheek, who did Blue Jays radio for almost forty years, is still dearly, dearly missed. I like Bob Costas, actually. But man, I can think of a LOT of worse ones and I can't really think of anything Buck does badly.
He's just overrrated, that's all.
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The 3 batter minimum is now official for 2020. I thought this was old news, but it just came up in my news feed. Other rule changes too. I'm kind of small-c conservative when it comes to rule changes, but this will speed up the game.

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The 3 batter minimum is now official for 2020. I thought this was old news, but it just came up in my news feed. Other rule changes too. I'm kind of small-c conservative when it comes to rule changes, but this will speed up the game.
I would be amazed if this saves more than 5 or 10 minutes in the average regular-season game. Not worth messing with the integrity of the game. Which, admittedly, is already on the ropes. The "automatic" intentional walk has turned out to save very little time.

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