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The news article linked by Bijou drains just above your post was co-written by a guy named Dukes...

Coïncidence. I think not!
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New primary on May 14th, new general election on September 10th.
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It seems that underneath the Boss Hogg getup is a man firmly committed to the principles of openness and transparency, as evidenced by this public pledge:

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Had a very nice reporter from Washington ask me about my sexual history today. I made a deal with him and I will make it to others in the media.
I will give an exclusive interview about my sexual history from loss of virginity to today to the reporter who can get Dan McCready to answer these three questions;
Dan McCready, will you vote for partial birth abortion including killing the child outside the womb?
Dan McCready, will you vote for the Green New Deal?
Dan McCready, when were you told that organizations campaigning for you were tipped off by the NCSBE about the Bladen County Election Investigation?
It is unclear whether the questions about Stony's sexual history were related to this story:

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On December 7, 2015, Rushing submitted a hand-written complaint to the Union County District Court on behalf of his tween daughter. The filing was quite serious: "COMPLAINT FOR NO-CONTACT ORDER FOR STALKING OR NON-CONSENSUAL SEXUAL CONDUCT." The complaint targeted a woman named Tracy Wesolek, who was active in local Republican politics....
In the deposition, Rushing, who is married, admitted to having an affair with Wesolek and -- shortly before filing the lawsuit on behalf of his daughter -- professing his love for Wesolek....
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I genuinely don't want to know about that guy's sexual history.
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Or about anyone who has shared it with him.

Why is this the only race being re-run? Aren't all the other outcomes on the ballot in this district equally bogus?
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:38 AM
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Or about anyone who has shared it with him.

Why is this the only race being re-run? Aren't all the other outcomes on the ballot in this district equally bogus?
I assume that none of the other outcomes were close enough to be possibly flipped by the GOP fraud, but that's just an educated guess not based on any specific research.
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The Republican Voter ID Laws thread, and its discussion of the primacy of the importance of voter confidence, became very quiet when this story came out, didn't it?
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That's probably more because of Bricker's absence-- He was one of the driving forces of that thread.
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His dead-horse-beating arm must've worn out.
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That's probably more because of Bricker's absence-- He was one of the driving forces of that thread.
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His dead-horse-beating arm must've worn out.
He may well have IRL reasons for dropping out of sight, but his arguments in that particular thread kept getting undermined by the actions and statements of Republicans themselves, and he was struggling to defend the indefensible.
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Oopsie:

Federal prosecutors have unsealed an indictment charging North Carolina State Republican Party Chairman Robin Hayes and three associates in an alleged bribery scheme involving campaign contributions to the state insurance commissioner.

Hayes and three business associates have been charged in a scheme to pay the commissioner of the North Carolina Department of Insurance at least $1.5 million in exchange for making staff changes and other things that would benefit their businesses.

(And FWIW, the insurance commissioner is also a Republican and was the one who ratted them out).

I have a feeling this is going to get bigger.
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Oopsie:

Federal prosecutors have unsealed an indictment charging North Carolina State Republican Party Chairman Robin Hayes and three associates in an alleged bribery scheme involving campaign contributions to the state insurance commissioner.

Hayes and three business associates have been charged in a scheme to pay the commissioner of the North Carolina Department of Insurance at least $1.5 million in exchange for making staff changes and other things that would benefit their businesses.

(And FWIW, the insurance commissioner is also a Republican and was the one who ratted them out).

I have a feeling this is going to get bigger.
I hope all these motherfuckers go down.

Seriously, both parties have been corrupt in NC, but at this point the Republican party is starting to look like 1920s Chicago.
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Updating this thread since we had our cute, little, special-election primary last week. And the winner is………… NOT Stoney Rushing, thank god. The Republican primary was won handily by The Honorable Dan Bishop.

Here is a snippet of the values that Mr. Bishop brings to the race.
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Bishop said he led the effort to get the successful North Carolina Voter ID Amendment on the ballot in 2018, which created a constitutional requirement that voters present a photo ID to vote in person.[18]
Bishop released an ad contrasting himself with McCready and Democrats in Congress. "These crazy liberal clowns. The things they say. The way they act. What they believe. They’re not funny. They’re downright scary. ... I’ll go to Washington and fight these clowns for you," Bishop said in the ad.
https://ballotpedia.org/North_Caroli...election,_2019

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"The things they say". Yeah? Like what? What specifically do you find scary?
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Gerrymander archvillain's files show that the NCGA lied to courts when they claimed they couldn't draw neww maps in time for a special election:
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The Republicans told the federal court hearing the map case that they would not be able to draw new legislative districts and hold public hearings on them in time for a proposed special election in late 2017 or early 2018. In fact, Common Cause said, Mr. Hofeller’s files show that almost all the work was already done: proposed new boundaries had been drawn for more than 97 percent of the state’s proposed Senate districts and 90 percent of House districts.

The federal court’s decision not to call a special election left the existing legislative gerrymander — and a veto-proof Republican majority in both the state House and Senate — in place for roughly an additional year.
Seriously, there should be some people serving time.
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Should be; aye. But will anyone? I doubt it. And will all the things done by the illegitimate legislature(s) be undone, or will they stand until another legislature can un-do them? I bet they stand until they are undone. So the perps win. In almost every resultant scenario, the perps win.

When you look it that way, it kind of becomes more of a question of "why the fuck doesn't everyone just do it this way?"

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This just showed up on the AP: Feds to finally examine 2016 NC poll books for hacking
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More than two years after voter check-in software failed on Election Day in a North Carolina county, federal authorities will finally conduct a forensic analysis of electronic poll books to see if Russian military hackers who targeted the software provider may have tampered with registration information to disrupt voting.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security analysis of laptops used in Durham County is the first known federal probe of voting technology that malfunctioned during the 2016 election, when Russian hackers infiltrated election systems in several states, part of what special counsel Robert Mueller said was an effort to favor Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

The malfunction of VR Systems’ electronic poll book software forced officials in the heavily Democratic county to issue paper ballots and extend voting hours. How many voters may have been disenfranchised as a result is unknown.
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DHS spokeswoman Sara Sendek said the forensic examination, first reported by The Washington Post, along with other support her agency is providing North Carolina “may help to provide a better understanding of previous issues and help to secure the 2020 election.”

The FBI did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether it was investigating the Durham County poll book failure and whether it had examined the laptops’ contents.
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On Election Day in 2016, some Durham County voters complained that the electronic poll books registered them as having voted when they hadn’t. The company blamed the trouble on poorly trained poll workers and inadequate computer maintenance. A report by a security consultant hired by Durham County’s elections board supported that claim.

“We believed then and now that the cause of the problem was poll worker error, and that a forensic analysis would prove it,” Martin said in an email. The company remains confident the DHS review will prove its voting software “was not breached or compromised.”
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Old 06-07-2019, 09:19 AM
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Even if it was poll worker error, that still doesn't let them off the hook. Who was in charge of training the poll workers? Did they all get the same training? Were they all using the same system? Who decided which poll workers were at what polling places? Were the errors equally easy to make for all voters?
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Update: I want to be gracious in victory, especially the provisional victory we just achieved, so I won't say in your face, NCGA douchebags. That would be crass.

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North Carolina’s political maps for the state legislature are unconstitutional and must be redrawn before the 2020 elections, a court has decided.

A panel of judges struck down the maps Tuesday, in a 357-page ruling that focused on the level of political partisanship used to draw them. The maps were drawn in 2017 to replace previous maps, drawn in 2011, that had also been ruled unconstitutional. Both sets of maps were drawn by North Carolina’s Republican-led legislature.

The judges found that “The North Carolina Supreme Court has long and consistently held that ‘our government is founded on the will of the people,’ that ‘their will is expressed by the ballot.’”

And that fact helped the judges conclude that the maps violated the state constitution because “it is the carefully crafted maps, and not the will of the voters, that dictate the election outcomes in a significant number of legislative districts and, ultimately, the majority control of the General Assembly.”

Tuesday’s decision may be the final word in this legal battle, since at least one top Republican lawmaker said he doesn’t plan to appeal the ruling.
Berger is the one who said he wouldn't appeal the ruling. I'd lay about 90% odds that he has a shitty trick ready for the occasion, something like, "Show up at the redistricting with a map all ready to submit, knowing it'll get rejected, and plan to tie that new map up in appeals until it's too late to have a new map ready for 2020."

But the court has said that the redistricting must happen only through public meetings, and that all computer screens used in the process must be visible to the public, and that they have two weeks. They sound thoroughly sick of the Republicans' tricks, and I hope they'll shoot down any stupid new trick Berger tries before he knows what's happening.

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Oh, man. Here's a PDF of the actual court requirements. They are not fucking around. Read 'em if you want to see what a pissed off panel of judges sounds like.
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I saw this today too. And I agree with everything you said.
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As others have pointed out, we've had years of misrule because of the 2011 (and later 2017) maps, gerrymandering a supermajority. We're not getting those years back, not getting back all the terrible decisions made by an illegitimate government during them. I've got a certain element of, "I want my father back you sonofabitch!" thinking going on.

But we gotta move forward. And this provides a glimmer of hope.

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Oh, man. Here's a PDF of the actual court requirements. They are not fucking around. Read 'em if you want to see what a pissed off panel of judges sounds like.
Dang! The snark starts in the table of contents!

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Dang! The snark starts in the table of contents!
This shit has been dragging on for YEARS. These judges sound done.

Oh! An update on the OP's mention of Jen Mangrum. She lost her race against Berger, but last Friday I attended a local Meet and Greet for her as she's running for state superintendent. The weasel we currently have is mired in about half a dozen different scandals and is deeply unpopular; I think she stands a pretty good chance of being our next superintendent.

More hope.
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Heck, weren't they already court-ordered to re-draw the maps before 2018, which requirement they handily dealt with by simply ignoring it?
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Heck, weren't they already court-ordered to re-draw the maps before 2018, which requirement they handily dealt with by simply ignoring it?
IIRC, they redrew the maps in a super-shitty way (in 2017); these were the maps challenged by this lawsuit. This court grabbed those maps, spat on them, ripped them into pieces, and stomped up and down on them.
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Can the court order that elections not be held?

I'm at once aghast that this has continued on so long and dubious that anything will change. The GOP long ago came to understand the power of inactivity and I suspect they'll continue to rely on inertia to combat any move towards justice.

Huge thanks to LHOD for keeping the thread alive; if we don't know about it we can't care about it.

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The court ordered they have the right to reschedule elections if the new maps are not approved in time.

Chronos, they ordered that if the General Assembly doesn't have new maps in 2 weeks, they have the authority to institute a special Referee to begin the process of drawing new maps by the court. That process is to begin already, such that if the General Assembly does not comply in two weeks, the court will take steps on their own to replace the maps. Ignoring them is not an option.

Yes, these judges are definitely pissed off.

I didn't understand all the lingo about BVAP and Gingles factors, except that it has something to do with racial makeup of districts and ensuring there are districts that Blacks can get elected in.
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The court ordered they have the right to reschedule elections if the new maps are not approved in time.

Chronos, they ordered that if the General Assembly doesn't have new maps in 2 weeks, they have the authority to institute a special Referee to begin the process of drawing new maps by the court. That process is to begin already, such that if the General Assembly does not comply in two weeks, the court will take steps on their own to replace the maps. Ignoring them is not an option.

Yes, these judges are definitely pissed off.
Ignoring them sure seems like an option. Tell me again what happens if the GOP ignores the judges? They start forming a committee to draw new maps? Maps that will be challenged in courts for years?
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A referee is being appointed and if delays are attempted has the authority to so declare and to just create a new map themself.
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And if that map gets tangled in litigation?
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My question is "when the map get tangled in litigation?"

ETA: btw, this was a NC state court, right?

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My question is "when the map get tangled in litigation?"

ETA: btw, this was a NC state court, right?
I don't know if there is much chance of this getting tangled up in litigation. There was a recent SCOTUS ruling that said Federal Courts can't get involved in gerrymandering cases, if I understood correctly. That pretty much leaves it to the state courts. I don't really see who the GOPers would have to appeal the maps to after this ruling.

I of course could have misunderstood these rulings but that was my impression.
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I'm not an attorney, but it seems to me that the crucial matter is, what is the default map?

The court has summarily rejected the 2017 map. If the NC GOP draws a shitty partisan map, they're violating a court order. The court will then draw their own map and declare it the official map.

The GOP will challenge that map --- but it will be the default map. Until the challenge is resolved, that's the map that will be used.

It's almost exactly the same situation we've been in since like 2011, with the GOP drawing illegitimate maps that get challenged, except that instead of us voting under the challenged GOP map, we'll be voting under the challenged court map.

I can't guarantee that's how it'll go down, but that's my best understanding.
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Oh--and our state supreme court is overwhelmingly Democratic, due to some serious fuckups by the GOP. They changed the courts elections to partisan elections, thinking that'd benefit them. A Democrat changed his affiliation to run as a Republican, splitting their vote and ruining their chances. That, and a series of other events of varying hilarity, have resulted in our having a 6-1 Democratic majority on the court.

Any appeal they make will go only to the state supreme court, and won't be looked at favorably there.

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Excellent couple of posts, LHOD; thanks for the clarification.
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No problem! It's really great to have some good news to report from our state for a change .
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The AP has a story about the special election: NC election tests Trump clout, suburban flight from GOP.
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Both parties are pouring resources into the state, hoping to claim a morale-boosting win to juice candidate recruitment and fundraising. But the real x-factor is Trump himself, who parachutes into Fayetteville on Monday for an election-eve rally in hopes of securing a district he won by 11 points in 2016 and that Republicans have held since 1963. With Vice President Mike Pence also campaigning for Bishop on Monday, the race is testing Trump’s influence on voters and whether Democrats can sustain the momentum that powered their midterm election wins.

“This is a pretty Republican district. This is not a seat you’ll be able to explain away very well” if Bishop loses, said former Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., who once chaired the House GOP campaign committee. A defeat would mean “Republicans are in trouble in the suburbs,” he said.
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Now just 30 percent of women approve how Trump is handling the presidency, compared to 42 percent of men, according to last month’s Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll. Also ominous for Republicans, last fall’s AP VoteCast survey of more than 115,000 midterm voters nationwide showed suburban residents backed Democratic over GOP House candidates, 55 percent to 44 percent.

A McCready win or even a narrow Bishop victory could suggest that GOP hemorrhaging of voters ringing cities is continuing, even in the South.

“If we are even close in this one, that spells trouble for them in 2020,” said Democratic consultant AJ Lenar, who isn’t involved in the race.
The GOP seems to agree, since they're pouring money into the contest:
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But top outside GOP groups including the National Republican Congressional Committee and the Congressional Leadership Fund have unleashed over $6 million, vastly outspending their Democratic counterparts.
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Berger is the one who said he wouldn't appeal the ruling. I'd lay about 90% odds that he has a shitty trick ready for the occasion
Can I call it, or can I call it?
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Originally Posted by NC State Senator Jeff Jackson, who's awesome
This is the redistricting process being proposed by Senate Republicans solely for the purpose of complying with the court’s ruling (not a new permanent redistricting process).

Summary: It gives the roughly 1,000 Senate maps drawn by the opposing expert from the court case (which were drawn without the use of political data to demonstrate to the court how different the map would look) to our bipartisan legislative staff and asks them to recommend the one that most fully complies with the court’s criteria. Then it’s open to amendment in committee, then a full Senate vote. Committee meeting starts again in 20 minutes. Discussion is over this method. Keep in mind: the committee is 10 R and 5 D.
I don't know whether the court will allow this method.

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Oh, shit. I totally misread that post. My bad. I was thinking (despite quoting words to the contrary) that the 1,000 maps were from the dead Republican partisan who designed the gerrymander. That's completely the opposite of the truth: instead, those 1,000 maps were designed by an expert hired by the people challenging the gerrymandering.

On the one hand, I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. On the other hand, reviewing what I quoted, the plain meaning of those quoted words is so clear that I hope I'm the only one who misread them so badly.

Here's a more complete article. It also includes a quote from Dan Blue, who's volunteering himself to demonstrate that NC Democrats have some real shitbirds in their ranks as well. (Fortunately he's getting called out as a shitbird by so many Democrats that he's backpedaling like crazy).

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On the one hand, I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. On the other hand, reviewing what I quoted, the plain meaning of those quoted words is so clear that I hope I'm the only one who misread them so badly.
I had to read it twice to make sure they weren't talking about the dead guy.
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I am wondering, after reading some more comments:
1) Whether the staffers reviewing the 1,000 maps will do so in view of the public; and
2) If they don't, whether the court will find them in violation of the order.
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I am wondering, after reading some more comments:
1) Whether the staffers reviewing the 1,000 maps will do so in view of the public; and
2) If they don't, whether the court will find them in violation of the order.
Having read most of the courts decision I am under the impression that anyone who fails to follow their order TO. THE. LETTER. will find their map tossed out and a court imposed map put in place.

They seemed to be in a mood.

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Old 09-11-2019, 10:14 AM
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I am so furious right now.

About two months ago, the NC General Assembly (NCGA) submitted a totally unacceptable budget to the governor. He vetoed it, and because the Republicans lack a supermajority, his veto was sure to stand on the override vote.

So Republicans didn't hold it.

For two months, they've refused to vote on overriding the veto, because they knew they'd lose. They tried all sorts of tricks to peel off Democrats from sustaining the veto, but they couldn't get enough. One Democrat was showing up day after day after chemotherapy sessions to make sure she could sustain the vote. Another was rescheduling his army reserve duty to make sure he could be there.

Which brings us to today.

Republicans said there wouldn't be a vote today, so that members could go to 9/11 remembrance ceremonies. Most Democrats left to go to ceremonies this morning, or were otherwise not present, in order to conduct other business.

Speaker of the House Tim Moore apparently told Republicans to hang back; and when there were only 9 Democrats left in the chamber, held an override vote. The vote succeeded 55-9.

The state Senate will be voting this afternoon. In theory.

I know they've had a lot of lows, but this is a new low for them, using respect for 9/11 to circumvent democracy.

Story here.

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Old 09-11-2019, 10:17 AM
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I am so furious right now.

About two months ago, the NC General Assembly (NCGA) submitted a totally unacceptable budget to the governor. He vetoed it, and because the Republicans lack a supermajority, his veto was sure to stand on the override vote.

So Republicans didn't hold it.

For two months, they've refused to vote on overriding the veto, because they knew they'd lose. They tried all sorts of tricks to peel off Democrats from sustaining the veto, but they couldn't get enough. One Democrat was showing up day after day after chemotherapy sessions to make sure she could sustain the vote. Another was rescheduling his army reserve duty to make sure he could be there.

Which brings us to today.

Republicans said there wouldn't be a vote today, so that members could go to 9/11 remembrance ceremonies. Most Democrats left to go to ceremonies this morning, or were otherwise not present, in order to conduct other business.

Speaker of the House Tim Moore apparently told Republicans to hang back; and when there were only 9 Democrats left in the chamber, held an override vote. The vote succeeded 55-9.

The state Senate will be voting this afternoon. In theory.

I know they've had a lot of lows, but this is a new low for them, using respect for 9/11 to circumvent democracy.

Story here.
Wow. That's low.

The Democratic House members should have been prepared for this, though. This is an all-out (political) knife fight, and the only rules are what can be gotten away with. Everyone needs to be ready for this kind of awful stuff.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:38 AM
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Yeah, this is obviously completely despicable assuming the facts are as reported.

But how useless is the Democratic party? The NC-GOP is seven battles into the cold civil war and the NC-Dems have barely figured out there's a war on.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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I am totally unsurprised by this maneuver.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:43 AM
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Assuming the NC Senate D's went to the 9/11 ceremonies, couldn't they make it back by the afternoon? (assuming the ceremonies are local)

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