Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-22-2019, 12:26 PM
cgg419 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 351

Patriots owner Robert Kraft charged in Florida prostitution sting


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/s...ds-arrest.html

You would think a billionaire would be a little more discreet than frequenting a rub n’ tug.
  #2  
Old 02-22-2019, 12:33 PM
DCnDC's Avatar
DCnDC is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Dueling Grounds
Posts: 11,955
Let's go to the videotape!

Actually, on second thought, let's not.
  #3  
Old 02-22-2019, 12:44 PM
RitterSport's Avatar
RitterSport is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,209
<insert joke about deflating balls>
  #4  
Old 02-22-2019, 12:49 PM
Dale Sams is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,806
Quote:
Originally Posted by RitterSport View Post
<insert joke about deflating balls>
Already saw some nutjob suggesting taking the entire draft away from the Patriots for this.
  #5  
Old 02-22-2019, 12:56 PM
Gatopescado is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: on your last raw nerve
Posts: 21,910
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Sams View Post
Already saw some nutjob suggesting taking the entire draft away from the Patriots for this.
Doesn't go far enough! Strip them of ALL SuperBowl titles and sell Tom Brady into White Slavery!
  #6  
Old 02-22-2019, 01:09 PM
asahi's Avatar
asahi is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: On your computer screen
Posts: 9,732
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatopescado View Post
Doesn't go far enough! Strip them of ALL SuperBowl titles and sell Tom Brady into White Slavery!
Heh! Heh! You said 'strip'.

Sorry.
  #7  
Old 02-22-2019, 02:01 PM
Snowboarder Bo's Avatar
Snowboarder Bo is online now
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 25,702
Let's go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Now THAT'S funny!
  #8  
Old 02-22-2019, 02:07 PM
Jack Batty's Avatar
Jack Batty is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: The Astral Plane.
Posts: 15,289
As a huge New England Patriots fan I have to say ... good, I hate that fucking guy.
(but leave the titles and Tom Terrific alone)
  #9  
Old 02-22-2019, 02:10 PM
muldoonthief's Avatar
muldoonthief is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 10,932
Jesus, up here in Patriots country, conspiracy theories blaming the charges on Goodell are already making the rounds.
  #10  
Old 02-22-2019, 03:28 PM
Emiliana's Avatar
Emiliana is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,572
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgg419 View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/s...ds-arrest.html

You would think a billionaire would be a little more discreet than frequenting a rub n’ tug.
You'd think so! And maybe avoid a place where the women are trafficked.
  #11  
Old 02-22-2019, 03:41 PM
TroutMan's Avatar
TroutMan is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,719
According to Adam Schefter from ESPN, Kraft "is not the biggest name involved" in the sting. I can't wait...
  #12  
Old 02-22-2019, 03:42 PM
Hoopy Frood is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,604
I guess the Superbowl win wasn't enough of a happy ending for him.
  #13  
Old 02-22-2019, 05:02 PM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
#FellateGate
#BateGate
  #14  
Old 02-22-2019, 05:32 PM
snowthx's Avatar
snowthx is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sacratomato area
Posts: 3,461
From the linked story in the OP:

The case involving Mr. Kraft is more complicated. A widower, he has been charged with two misdemeanors, not felonies, and those charges may be reduced or dropped.

What the heck does that mean? What does his marital status have to do with potential charges for breaking laws? Do married men in Florida get treated more harshly than single guys by the courts for patronizing the local rub-n-tug?
  #15  
Old 02-22-2019, 05:49 PM
Ambivalid is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 13,707
Adultery is still a crime in FL, apparently.
  #16  
Old 02-22-2019, 05:51 PM
magnusblitz is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 2,314
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgg419 View Post
You would think a billionaire would be a little more discreet than frequenting a rub n’ tug.
Wouldn't surprise me if he thought he was being relatively discreet and avoiding a potential Stormy Daniels situation where he gets blackmailed by his $5,000-a-night escort. Of course it probably helps if you don't show up to the strip mall massage parlor in your limo.

Quote:
Originally Posted by snowthx View Post
What the heck does that mean? What does his marital status have to do with potential charges for breaking laws? Do married men in Florida get treated more harshly than single guys by the courts for patronizing the local rub-n-tug?
Probably just that it's more socially acceptable for a widower to be seeing a prostitute than a married man. Not that it really matters as far as the courts are concerned (the average police report for this type of thing won't even indicate if the guy is married or not). He's probably looking at diversion anyways; the real problems will be what the NFL imposes.
  #17  
Old 02-22-2019, 05:52 PM
Little Nemo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Western New York
Posts: 80,687
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCnDC View Post
Let's go to the videotape!

Actually, on second thought, let's not.
Worst celebrity sex tape ever.
  #18  
Old 02-22-2019, 06:14 PM
JRDelirious is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Displaced
Posts: 15,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by magnusblitz View Post
Wouldn't surprise me if he thought he was being relatively discreet and avoiding a potential Stormy Daniels situation where he gets blackmailed by his $5,000-a-night escort. Of course it probably helps if you don't show up to the strip mall massage parlor in your limo.
Yeah, really. Or maybe also that out in a Jupiter strip mall he would not be as recognizable as in, say, a fancy South Beach venue.
  #19  
Old 02-22-2019, 06:16 PM
Sicks Ate is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: KS, US
Posts: 6,477
Whooocaaaaaaaarrreees. Guy wanted a handy.
  #20  
Old 02-22-2019, 06:51 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambivalid View Post
Adultery is still a crime in FL, apparently.
Most marriages are “till death do you part”, otherwise things get awkward (and smelly). Since his wife passed I’m not sure how relevant this is.

His girlfriend may care, then again she may not. But I doubt “cheating on your girlfriend” is even a crime in Florida.

I recall with the Kobe Bryant rape case, someone pointed out then that Colorado had adultery as a (unenforced) crime (the alleged assault was in Colorado). I believe they’ve since repealed that archaic law but it’s probably still a crime in one or another states.
  #21  
Old 02-22-2019, 07:42 PM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
Uhhhh, guys?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...159903744?s=19
  #22  
Old 02-22-2019, 07:49 PM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 49,566
Damn, Bob - you can afford somebody classy and discreet who makes house calls, and you go to a tawdry strip mall instead? The hell?
  #23  
Old 02-22-2019, 07:56 PM
hajario's Avatar
hajario is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Santa Barbara, California
Posts: 16,007
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
Uhhhh, not the same Jupiter Spa.

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysi...s-trump/16183/
  #24  
Old 02-22-2019, 08:03 PM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
True, but I'm not a guy who swallows coincidences easily.
  #25  
Old 02-22-2019, 08:21 PM
ekedolphin is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Suffolk, VA
Posts: 4,955
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
True, but I'm not a guy who swallows coincidences easily.
Heh heh, he said "swallows".
  #26  
Old 02-22-2019, 08:32 PM
running coach's Avatar
running coach is offline
Arms of Steel, Leg of Jello
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Riding my handcycle
Posts: 36,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by ekedolphin View Post
Heh heh, he said "swallows".
If that's what he wanted, he should have gone to San Juan Capistrano.
  #27  
Old 02-22-2019, 09:23 PM
Kent Clark's Avatar
Kent Clark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Posts: 25,936
It's been 17 years and a lot of locals have boycotted the NFL entirely since the Rams left, but the good people of St. Louis are STILL convinced that the Patriots cheated in Superbowl XXXVI. And personally, I'm happy to be able to use the word schadenfreude in a sentence.

Last edited by Kent Clark; 02-22-2019 at 09:23 PM.
  #28  
Old 02-22-2019, 10:26 PM
SlackerInc's Avatar
SlackerInc is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 11,281
It's definitely weird that he went to a strip mall for any reason. And I hate the Patriots like most people.

BUUUT...the CBS Evening News led with this story, and the anchor talked about it with the somber tones and gravely serious face of someone describing a torture dungeon being discovered under Kraft's house or something. "Stunning" and "shocking" were bandied about. Srsly? I'm not able to muster any outrage, personally.

And to hide video comeras in this place? Jesus. Whatever you think of the morality of any of this, is this a good priority for taxpayers to fund?
__________________
Some people on TV are nice to look at.
  #29  
Old 02-22-2019, 11:03 PM
Happy Lendervedder's Avatar
Happy Lendervedder is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Michigan
Posts: 14,953
If they were able to rescue women who were trafficked and forced into prostitution, yes.

Last edited by Happy Lendervedder; 02-22-2019 at 11:03 PM.
  #30  
Old 02-22-2019, 11:09 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Lendervedder View Post
If they were able to rescue women who were trafficked and forced into prostitution, yes.
Yes, this.
  #31  
Old 02-22-2019, 11:32 PM
Dale Sams is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,806
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
#FellateGate
#BateGate
Inflategate was mine
  #32  
Old 02-23-2019, 12:30 AM
SlackerInc's Avatar
SlackerInc is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 11,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Lendervedder View Post
If they were able to rescue women who were trafficked and forced into prostitution, yes.

I don't have hard facts to bring to bear here, but on a recent episode of the Slate feminist podcast "The Waves" (which used to be called "DoubleX" before they changed it so as not to exclude XY transwomen) they made a convincing case that most of the talk of "human trafficking" is just cover for the same old moralistic criminalizing of sex work, and that the vast majority of female sex workers are not enslaved and would benefit more than anything from legalization and licensing.

ETA: Furthermore, if that is what the sting is about, why arrest the johns?
__________________
Some people on TV are nice to look at.

Last edited by SlackerInc; 02-23-2019 at 12:31 AM.
  #33  
Old 02-23-2019, 12:57 AM
AK84 is online now
Suspended
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16,086
Dude, cigerettes are (regretably) legal, but there is still a 100 billion dollar smuggling industry.
  #34  
Old 02-23-2019, 03:03 AM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlackerInc View Post
I don't have hard facts to bring to bear here, but on a recent episode of the Slate feminist podcast "The Waves" (which used to be called "DoubleX" before they changed it so as not to exclude XY transwomen) they made a convincing case that most of the talk of "human trafficking" is just cover for the same old moralistic criminalizing of sex work, and that the vast majority of female sex workers are not enslaved and would benefit more than anything from legalization and licensing.
Reportedly the women weren’t allowed to leave the premises and were forced to work and live there.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/orchids...aft-sex-sting/
“Authorities described how the women worked in deplorable conditions, were lured into the sex trade, and averaged 1,500 men a year.

https://www.businessinsider.com/robe...st-will-2019-2
The victims were forced to live in the spas for days, sometimes months, "for the purpose of sexual servitude," according to the charges. Many of them came from China on temporary work visas, believing they'd get legitimate jobs in the US, Vero Beach Police Chief David Currey said in a press conference.

"These girls are there all day long, into the evening. They can't leave and they're performing sex acts," he said. "Some of them may tell us they're OK, but they're not."


These aren’t just women making a choice to go into prostitution and being treated like victims/criminals for bad choices. They’re sex slaves, or at least indentured servants according to law enforcement.

Quote:
ETA: Furthermore, if that is what the sting is about, why arrest the johns?
By arresting Johns they are trying to curb the demand, which will hopefully hinder the sex trafficking industry. And it’s not just the criminal charges that will dissuade johns, but the public humiliation and destruction of reputations. Especially for a powerful person like Kraft.
  #35  
Old 02-23-2019, 05:49 AM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Sams View Post
Inflategate was mine
I bow to your mastery.
  #36  
Old 02-23-2019, 06:52 AM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
Billionaire Trump supporter and major GOP donor John Childs is also caught up in this thing:

https://amp.tcpalm.com/amp/2953948002

Quote:
He's a prominent donor to several Republican politicians and groups, including former U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan, Club for Growth and 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

He donated about $4.3 million to Republican candidates and PACslast cycle, according to a review of federal campaign finance records.

His largest donation, $250,000, went to America First Action, a pro-Donald Trump super PAC. Senate Conservative Action, Freedom Partners Action Fund and the National Republican Senate Committee.

Last edited by JohnT; 02-23-2019 at 06:54 AM.
  #37  
Old 02-23-2019, 10:04 AM
JRDelirious is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Displaced
Posts: 15,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atamasama View Post
These aren’t just women making a choice to go into prostitution and being treated like victims/criminals for bad choices. They’re sex slaves, or at least indentured servants according to law enforcement.
Indeed. If the facts are as stated, this was a case that merited intervention.

That free-choice sexwork is currently being also swept by the whole wave about "trafficking" (which oftentimes is just common pimping under a fancier name), to the point of making voluntary sex workers' lives harder (e.g. FOSTA/SESTA) is a separate matter.


Quote:
By arresting Johns they are trying to curb the demand, which will hopefully hinder the sex trafficking industry. And it’s not just the criminal charges that will dissuade johns, but the public humiliation and destruction of reputations. Especially for a powerful person like Kraft.
Indeed -- you go for the demand side and shake up a few "respectable gentlemen" so others in their circles think twice, or at least do their due diligence about where do they take their business.

And BTW it has been alluded to before in passing, but notice how the Big News seems to be the involvement of Kraft and Childs and how this may hurt them. Not the pimping operation or the welfare of the women.
  #38  
Old 02-23-2019, 12:14 PM
notfrommensa is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 11,864
Could this be the hooker?

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...a8c36ea6a9.png
  #39  
Old 02-24-2019, 01:27 AM
Siam Sam is offline
Elephant Whisperer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 40,765
News flash: Rich, fat, old businessman hires hookers. Stop the presses!

Meanwhile, how much was it Chump paid at least one porn star? And how many Russian prostitutes did he pay to piss all over him?
__________________
The two most interesting things in the world: Other people's sex lives and your own money.
  #40  
Old 02-24-2019, 01:56 AM
Gatopescado is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: on your last raw nerve
Posts: 21,910
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
I bow to your mastery.
Isn't that what Kraft got in trouble for?
  #41  
Old 02-24-2019, 11:14 AM
Isosleepy's Avatar
Isosleepy is offline
Friend of Cecil
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siam Sam View Post
News flash: Rich, fat, old businessman hires hookers. Stop the presses!
So we shouldn’t care about engaging the services of enslaved people, right? ‘Cause it’s being done all over. No need to get worked up about it? The fact that Kraft went to get a hand and/or blowjob at some strip mall spa, that he got there by limo, that he can afford other venues- all that is part of the story, but not the key part. The fact that whoever provided the service was a slave, that is key. It is wrong, it needs eradicating, and by giving it attention, by calling out the customers, maybe a dent is made in this trade.
  #42  
Old 02-24-2019, 11:53 AM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siam Sam View Post
News flash: Rich, fat, old businessman hires hookers. Stop the presses!

Meanwhile, how much was it Chump paid at least one porn star? And how many Russian prostitutes did he pay to piss all over him?
Pretty sure Stormy Daniels isn’t a victim of human trafficking.
  #43  
Old 02-25-2019, 06:56 AM
Cheesesteak's Avatar
Cheesesteak is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Lovely Montclair, NJ
Posts: 13,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isosleepy View Post
The fact that whoever provided the service was a slave, that is key. It is wrong, it needs eradicating, and by giving it attention, by calling out the customers, maybe a dent is made in this trade.
Maybe we should be arresting the person who enslaved the other person.

Prostitution isn't called the oldest profession for nothing. It "satisfies" a hard wired emotional/physical need that is present in an overwhelming number of people. You're not making a dent in the trade by catching .01% of the customers in elaborate and costly sting operations.

The harder you push, the further underground it goes. That may reduce the size of the "trade", i.e. the total number of prostitutes may decrease, but the opportunities for abuse will not. Sex workers will just become more marginalized and more vulnerable.
  #44  
Old 02-25-2019, 08:32 AM
Chronos's Avatar
Chronos is online now
Charter Member
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: The Land of Cleves
Posts: 83,389
So, even if this particular establishment was enslaving its workers, is that something that a customer would know? If so, then yes, they should also be charged with trafficking-related crimes. If no, though, then they should be in the same amount of trouble as anyone who solicits a prostitute. And if it's impossible to tell which is which, then maybe the penalties for solicitation need to be increased across the board.
  #45  
Old 02-25-2019, 08:48 AM
ElvisL1ves is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The land of the mouse
Posts: 49,566
Guess who's about to become the largest donor to anti human trafficking organizations?
  #46  
Old 02-25-2019, 08:56 AM
Ann Hedonia's Avatar
Ann Hedonia is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,210
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atamasama View Post
Reportedly the women weren’t allowed to leave the premises and were forced to work and live there.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/orchids...aft-sex-sting/
“Authorities described how the women worked in deplorable conditions, were lured into the sex trade, and averaged 1,500 men a year.

https://www.businessinsider.com/robe...st-will-2019-2
The victims were forced to live in the spas for days, sometimes months, "for the purpose of sexual servitude," according to the charges. Many of them came from China on temporary work visas, believing they'd get legitimate jobs in the US, Vero Beach Police Chief David Currey said in a press conference.

"These girls are there all day long, into the evening. They can't leave and they're performing sex acts," he said. "Some of them may tell us they're OK, but they're not."


These aren’t just women making a choice to go into prostitution and being treated like victims/criminals for bad choices. They’re sex slaves, or at least indentured servants according to law enforcement.


By arresting Johns they are trying to curb the demand, which will hopefully hinder the sex trafficking industry. And it’s not just the criminal charges that will dissuade johns, but the public humiliation and destruction of reputations. Especially for a powerful person like Kraft.
There is something in the Business Insider report that caught my eye. Here is the quote:

“according to the police, the women averaged 8 clients a day” .....”if you do the math that comes to 1500 clients a year with no days off”...........????? I’m guessing that Martin County sheriff William Snyder failed math in school.

Last edited by Ann Hedonia; 02-25-2019 at 08:57 AM.
  #47  
Old 02-25-2019, 12:19 PM
enalzi is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 7,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheesesteak View Post
Maybe we should be arresting the person who enslaved the other person.
They are. The target was the traffickers, the johns were just a little extra. A way to put out there that "Hey, if you go to one of these kind of place you may be supporting trafficking and you will get publicly shamed."
  #48  
Old 02-25-2019, 12:28 PM
JohnT's Avatar
JohnT is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 22,524
Wonder what other stip-mall massage parlors out there in the greater Miami area which have a billionaire:non-billionaire clientele ratio of 1:71 like this place does?

Last edited by JohnT; 02-25-2019 at 12:30 PM.
  #49  
Old 02-25-2019, 01:37 PM
Atamasama's Avatar
Atamasama is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann Hedonia View Post
There is something in the Business Insider report that caught my eye. Here is the quote:

“according to the police, the women averaged 8 clients a day” .....”if you do the math that comes to 1500 clients a year with no days off”...........????? I’m guessing that Martin County sheriff William Snyder failed math in school.
It would be 2,920 in a 365 day year. Maybe he divided by 2 somehow?
  #50  
Old 02-25-2019, 02:58 PM
Red Wiggler is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,798
We're getting into Silicon Valley "what it takes to win the contest and how fast can you do it" territory here.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright © 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017