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As someone who spent a few years going to WHA New England Whalers games at the Hartford Civic Center, I love it!

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Thank-you, Scabs, for perfectly addressing Rent's response.
NP! I'm still a bit bewildered at that whole thread of the conversation.

Great job, Carolina! I didn't know you had it in you.

And, wow, this has kind of been my dream first round. More than 50% of the low seeds win, and we get 3 game 7s. Two of those go into OT. Awesome. I can only hope the second round is nearly this good.
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And tonight is another example of what it is like to be a Leafs fan for the last 50 years.
A few points.

- 52 years.

- The last time the Leafs won the Stanley Cup, the NHL still consisted of the Original Six teams. It was just before the first league expansion. It was a time, basically, when you could get into the playoffs just for showing up, and win the Cup if you could play hockey.

- The Leafs haven't even won a playoff series -- any playoff series -- since 2004.

- The Leafs are by far -- by a wide margin -- the richest NHL team in the league. They have money to burn, constrained in recent years only by the league salary cap rules. Their ticket sales are oversubscribed. You can't get a season seat for love or money. Waiting lists extend, literally, to generations. And with that, an incredible sense of complacency seems to have descended on the whole Leafs organization, one that not even the legendary Mike Babcock, with his record-breaking $50 million contract over 8 years, seems capable of breaking.
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HA HA!!! No repeat for you, Crapitals! Go Staalsy!!!!
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HA HA!!! No repeat for you, Crapitals! Go Staalsy!!!!
How are the Penguins doing, by the way? I wasn't paying attention. I know they were in the playoffs, what happened?

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How are the Penguins doing, by the way? I wasn't paying attention. I know they were in the playoffs, what happened?

Here’s a Hint: Brooks Orpik had more playoff goals than Sidney Crosby this year.
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Will you relax, Penguin lover? The dude's a Golden Knight now. . I figured you'd think he's a sellout.
More joking on the bolded, then?
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- The Leafs are by far -- by a wide margin -- the richest NHL team in the league. .
Sorry, but the NY Rangers have been the richest team in the NHL for the last 5 years Toronto is second right now but Montreal has also been in 2nd in recent years.
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:56 AM
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Crazy to look at the pre-playoff Stanley Cup odds and where we are after round 1.

5/2 - Tampa (OUT!)
8/1 - Calgary (OUT!)
9/1 - Boston (IN)
10/1 - Washington, Winnipeg (OUT! OUT!)
12/1 - Nashville, San Jose, St Louis (OUT! IN, IN)
20/1 - Carolina, New York, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vegas (IN, IN, OUT! OUT! OUT!)
25/1 - Colorado (IN!)
28/1 - Dallas (IN!)
33/1 - Columbus (IN!)
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Here is a look at how the odds of winning the Cup changed over the course of a week. Pretty amazing.
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Sorry, but the NY Rangers have been the richest team in the NHL for the last 5 years Toronto is second right now but Montreal has also been in 2nd in recent years.
You're right, I haven't been keeping up. The Leafs have historically usually been #1 in valuation but that seems to have changed in 2014 when they were overtaken by the NY Rangers.

However, my point remains that there is a deep-seated complacency in the entire organization that historically has trickled down from the attitude of the corporate bean-counting ownership, and it comes from the fact that they're in a crazy hockey town where their ticket sales are ridiculously oversubscribed. The Scotiabank Arena (formerly Air Canada Centre) is always sold out for every single game, and they could easily sell three times the arena capacity and still have demand for more (you often see empty seats in the lower bowl during regular-season games, but those are just corporate-owned season seats where no one showed up). Their season seat waiting list is essentially frozen -- I should know; I've been on it for over 20 years and there's been basically no movement. Their TV revenues follow the same pattern of demand.

The consequence of this is that whether they win or lose makes absolutely no difference to their revenues (or the enthusiasm of their fan base). Some years ago a senior official in their management -- I think it was the GM at the time -- made a public statement to the effect that "we really do care about winning". Aside from the fact that few believed him, it was a remarkable statement for a sports team executive to make, kind of like a bank president proclaiming "we're not crooks, really". You shouldn't have to say those things, and if you feel you do, then something is seriously off the rails.

The situation became so bad that, to be fair, in recent years efforts have been made to lift the team to a more competitive status, like the hiring of Babcock. But it's really hard to turn around a deeply entrenched culture of lazy complacency, which comes percolating down from management and infects even young new players. Babock claims he's made it a much better team this year than at any time in recent memory (which is possibly true) and he just doesn't understand what happened in Boston. I do, at least on a philosophical level.
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The Leafs brought in Brendan Shanahan as club president.

They brought in Mike Babcock as head coach.

They had the first overall pick three years ago.

They signed the most coveted free agent last summer.

Their AHL affiliate, the Marlies, won the Calder Cup last year.

They have four lines that cal roll.

You call all that complacency? There was complacency in the Ballard era, and they had success in the 90s. They're finally on track to build a very competitive team again. There is nothing complacent in the Leafs organization now. The team is young, for the most part, with nowhere to go but up.
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You call all that complacency? There was complacency in the Ballard era, and they had success in the 90s. They're finally on track to build a very competitive team again. There is nothing complacent in the Leafs organization now. The team is young, for the most part, with nowhere to go but up.
I did acknowledge that they've lately been making efforts to improve their competitiveness. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen. Babcock lately is using the "I've created a terrific team but for some reason they're just not executing" line. Personally I've stopped caring but for fans like you I do wish them success.

But hell, when I talk about complacency, I'm talking about something that has been pervasive way, way past the Ballard era, up until recent times even if one believes that they're no longer complacent, which I personally do not believe. I do go to games sometimes -- or used to -- and they've often been very exciting and enjoyable, but there were times that just stick in my memory like a bad scar. Like the time I took my son to one of the Ottawa-Toronto matches that promised to be exciting. The Leafs just sat there like bumps on a log and let Ottawa hammer them 7-0, a score unlike anything I'd ever seen in a professional hockey game. Or the playoff game we went to against NJ Devils, where the Devils scored first early in the game, went into their defensive trap routine, and the Leafs went to sleep. There was no further scoring by either side.

Read these quoted excerpts. This is from Brian Burke in 2010. I had not seen this before. I found it while Googling for the quote about "we really do care about winning" which I couldn't find, and this is not it, but Burke expresses exactly the same sentiments I just did, and even uses some of the same words:
“The absolute insistence on winning was not here,” says Burke, who put together the Anaheim Ducks club that won the Stanley Cup in 2007 ... No matter how poorly the team has played the organization thrived as the NHL’s most lucrative franchise. Win or lose, to be a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs meant you were paid handsomely, in the media and league spotlight, and lionized in the public as a demigod.

... “I tried when I got here to embarrass them and shame them,” Burke says. “We talked openly about blue and white disease. We talked openly about complacency. I’ve been able to move the needle on every group of athletes I’ve ever had by shaming them and barking at them and publicly challenging them and I didn’t the move the needle on this group one bit.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...e_disease.html
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Well, a 9 year old opinion piece. I concede there has been complacency in the past: no doubt.
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HA HA!!! No repeat for you, Crapitals! Go Staalsy!!!!
After all he's had to go through the last couple of years, he deserves it.

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Ok, that Tarasenko goal was so pretty, I don't mind it being a game winner. I'm just hoping STL doesn't have 3 more in them. That was a pretty chaotic game.
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I know we sucked in the playoffs. But Washington losing at eases some of the sting. And I like Brooks Orpik. He was always one of my favorites here.

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Joe Pavelski not likely to play tonight. Melker Karlsson and Joonas Donskoi are questionable.

Pavs’s head hit the ice hard. I fear a major concussion. I hope he will be okay.

Go Sharks!!!
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Well.... with the Canadian teams out, I'm jumping on the Carolina Hurricanes bandwagon!

I have family in Chapel Hill, NC and watched the Thursday night game in Raleigh while visiting them last week.

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Ok, that Tarasenko goal was so pretty...
It was, but I liked one of Zuccarello's goals from last night just as much - always cool seeing buddy take a knee to the ice to get down low to one-time it, up high, from short range.
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Joe Pavelski not likely to play tonight. Melker Karlsson and Joonas Donskoi are questionable.

Pavs’s head hit the ice hard. I fear a major concussion. I hope he will be okay.

Go Sharks!!!
Yeah, I got home the other night just in time to see Pavelski being escorted off the ice. (And of course, the unbelievable comeback.) I'm pretty concerned for him. Hoping for no lasting damage.

Games starts in a few minutes...GO SHARKS!!!!
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As someone who spent a few years going to WHA New England Whalers games at the Hartford Civic Center, I love it!

Carolina!
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If Canada weren't so underrepresented in NHL, they'd have broken that Stanley Cup drought long ago. Of course, there's also the Leafs' "we get big money whether we win or not" culture as well (although they're just one team.)
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If Canada weren't so underrepresented in NHL, they'd have broken that Stanley Cup drought long ago. Of course, there's also the Leafs' "we get big money whether we win or not" culture as well (although they're just one team.)
What's your point? Canada has 1/10 the population of the US. The Greater Toronto Area has like 6 million people. Of course they're going to sell tickets. Hockey is like a religion here.

We all know that something like two thirds of all NHL teams are comprised of Canadian players. It would be nice to see the cup back in Canada, but all teams are playing with Canadian players.

Shrug.
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ETA:Sorry. I guess we're down to about 46% now.
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If Canada weren't so underrepresented in NHL, they'd have broken that Stanley Cup drought long ago. Of course, there's also the Leafs' "we get big money whether we win or not" culture as well (although they're just one team.)
You're right about the Leafs culture, although arguably that's changing. We'll see.

But your statistics are just crazy wrong. Canada has 11% of the population of the US, but no less than 7 of the 31 NHL teams (about 23%). So it's actually very much over-represented.

And it would be even higher if Bettman wasn't such a dick, obsessed with US expansion. There is an ample market for a second team in the Greater Toronto Area, and there very nearly was one approved, which would have been based in Hamilton, until Bettman scuttled it. A second team anywhere in the GTA would have no problem at all filling the arena to capacity. And there's a market and an arena for another one in Quebec City. And there's also the fact that so many players on US teams are actually Canadian.
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The Leafs brought in Brendan Shanahan as club president.

They brought in Mike Babcock as head coach.

They had the first overall pick three years ago.

They signed the most coveted free agent last summer.

Their AHL affiliate, the Marlies, won the Calder Cup last year.

They have four lines that cal roll.

You call all that complacency? There was complacency in the Ballard era, and they had success in the 90s. They're finally on track to build a very competitive team again. There is nothing complacent in the Leafs organization now. The team is young, for the most part, with nowhere to go but up.
To be fair though, Phil Kessel did NOT deserve all the shit he got in Toronto. It's so obvious that he's much happier as a Penguin.
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Hamilton Steelheads?

I liked Mrazek's goaltending. Some great saves.

The players are from all over the world, not just the US and Canada. How many Russians, Finns, Czechs, Swedes? The hometown team really isn't a hometown team, but an ever-changing international group that wears the same-colored shirts for a while. It's amazing that we build loyalties around such abstract entities.
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Hamilton Steelheads?

I liked Mrazek's goaltending. Some great saves.

The players are from all over the world, not just the US and Canada. How many Russians, Finns, Czechs, Swedes? The hometown team really isn't a hometown team, but an ever-changing international group that wears the same-colored shirts for a while. It's amazing that we build loyalties around such abstract entities.
Yes! It is like arguing “our prostitutes are better than your hookers.”
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The Sharks seemed a bit sluggish out of the gate last night - nut surprising since they played 9 periods of hockey in their last two games - but they seemed to catch fire after killing the 4-minute double minor early in the 2nd.
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But your statistics are just crazy wrong. Canada has 11% of the population of the US, but no less than 7 of the 31 NHL teams (about 23%). So it's actually very much over-represented.
I meant this article: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-stanley-cup/

It notes that relative to hockey demand, that having only 7 out of 31 NHL teams be Canadian is actually underrepresentation of Canada.
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....To be fair though, Phil Kessel did NOT deserve all the shit he got in Toronto. It's so obvious that he's much happier as a Penguin.
It's tough to live in the Spotlight that is Toronto. And Toronto is still picking up $1.2 M for three more years.
I'm glad to see Phil doing well in Pittsburgh. He had no one to play with in Toronto at the time!
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I meant this article: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-stanley-cup/

It notes that relative to hockey demand, that having only 7 out of 31 NHL teams be Canadian is actually underrepresentation of Canada.
Well, if you had said that in the first place, I would have agreed with you. Assessing representation in terms of the estimated fan base and putative size of the hockey market is a very different metric than the normal meaning of the word as being proportional to population.

Anyway, thanks for the article. It's very interesting to see a statistical guru like Nate Silver apply his wizardry to analyzing hockey markets and team performance. I note that he confirms some of the things I said, like the fact that the Greater Toronto Area needs a second team and the Leafs could sell out their arena three times over: he argues, in fact, that the GTA could probably support not two but three NHL teams! He also argues for a team in Quebec city, as I also said.

Another point Silver makes is that the wealthy Canadian teams, most notably the Leafs, are being hobbled by the salary cap which is intended to protect American teams in smaller markets, but it can't even accomplish that since many of those teams are still losing money. I agree with almost everything in that article except the statement that Canadian teams sell out their arenas -- the Ottawa Senators had a hard time filling their arena even when they were one of the top teams in the league, and I suspect that prevails to some degree everywhere outside Toronto and possibly Montreal. But yeah, a lot of the facts in that article could be summarized under the general heading, "The Incompetence of Gary Bettman".
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I meant this article: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-stanley-cup/

It notes that relative to hockey demand, that having only 7 out of 31 NHL teams be Canadian is actually underrepresentation of Canada.
FWIW, I've always thought the same for that reason. I never thought of it in terms of population but rather fanbases. Hockey is a religion there and an afterthought in the majority of the US (not everywhere, but much of it.) Seems like there should be a lot more Canadian NHL teams and it'd be nice to see a Canadian team win a cup again. I had to look it up, but has it really been since 1993?
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Yeah, I got home the other night just in time to see Pavelski being escorted off the ice. (And of course, the unbelievable comeback.) I'm pretty concerned for him. Hoping for no lasting damage.

Games starts in a few minutes...GO SHARKS!!!!
Then you likely saw Jumbo basically coddle him and hold him up, holding the blood-stained towel against his head, as they skated carefully off the ice.

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Cool. Did you go to Hall High in W Hartford?
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Dang! Carolina storms back just like that.
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Then you likely saw Jumbo basically coddle him and hold him up, holding the blood-stained towel against his head, as they skated carefully off the ice.



Cool. Did you go to Hall High in W Hartford?
No; during that time I lived in Enfield.
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Dang! Carolina storms back just like that.
Yeah, but at this rate, the headline is going to be "Avs sweep 2 remaining Carolina players in Cup Final".
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The Islanders need to get smaller posts. How many times did they ring those?

Anyway, I think it's time to panic, so I'm on that.
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I hadn't even seen this article before I posted that: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/s...-playoffs.html

Headline: Clanging Metal May Haunt Islanders After Another Home Loss to Hurricanes

The answer to my question is four times in the third period. Grrr.
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Caps have a few more weeks as lame-duck Stanley Cup Champions.
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NP! I'm still a bit bewildered at that whole thread of the conversation.

Great job, Carolina! I didn't know you had it in you.

And, wow, this has kind of been my dream first round. More than 50% of the low seeds win, and we get 3 game 7s. Two of those go into OT. Awesome. I can only hope the second round is nearly this good.
The whole thread of my conversation boils down to the fact that sometimes I post before I think....I was in error about Benn...and the link is NOT what I thought I posted.

I do stand by Subban being "goonish"....a good player but he diminishes it by playing dirty and disregarding the whistle a lot.

Again, I can be an idiot sometimes...sorry.

Lets Go Blues !!

On a side note...St Louis does NOT restrict tickets by zip code or geographical location. Why does Dallas?
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The whole thread of my conversation boils down to the fact that sometimes I post before I think....I was in error about Benn...and the link is NOT what I thought I posted.

I do stand by Subban being "goonish"....a good player but he diminishes it by playing dirty and disregarding the whistle a lot.

Again, I can be an idiot sometimes...sorry.

Lets Go Blues !!
Okeydoke! I do the same myself sometimes.

Hmm, Subban being "goonish". I wouldn't want to be hit by him, god knows, and he does seem to take joy in taunting the other side. But I'd classify him as a "pest" for that behavior. I admire him, but not when we play him. Yeah, he'd be easier to respect without the pest behavior, it's pretty much replaced the actual goon today. It still requires you to be able to play, but it's not exactly sportsmanlike.

And hey, I can't root for the Blues right now, but if they beat us, I will. No shame in losing to the cup champ if they become that, after all. Tonight was a great game, maybe the best non-OT game I've seen this playoffs, but I wish the Stars had won.

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On a side note...St Louis does NOT restrict tickets by zip code or geographical location. Why does Dallas?
Wow, they do? If so? Yeah, that's a pretty jackass behavior. Move away from TX (say to OKC), and still want to catch a playoff game? Tough!
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Tomorrow night: Go Sharks!!
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